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1. Jamie Irons:

Roger

Mazel tov!

Jamie Irons

Nov 7, 2004 - 7:33 pm 2. Jamie Irons:

Now if I could only persuade my wife of the wisdom of supporting Bush’s policies…

;-(

Jamie Irons

Nov 7, 2004 - 7:35 pm 3. richard mcenroe:

Aw, c’mon, Roger, I’ve been reading all the respectable commentators on this election. How many homophobic, gun-loving, redneck Jews can there be in Beverly Hills? This is not a very “reality-based” number…

Nov 7, 2004 - 7:52 pm 4. Dylan:

Roger,

I think it would be more prudent to say that Bush’s support in the Hills has more than doubled. He’s up 110% infact.

If you are going to say up 22, you need to qualify it as 22 percentage points.

Nov 7, 2004 - 7:59 pm 5. Johan Amedeus Metesky:

Back during the Dem primaries I checked a couple of online databases of political contributions for some local zip codes and then tried some famous ones like 90210. The Beverly Hills, Malibu, and Santa Monica zip codes showed that while a predictable number of actors contributed to Democratic candidates, President Bush received significant financial support from people on the production and business side of the entertainment industry.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:00 pm 6. Doug:

How do they know Jewish support only totalled 25 percent? Considering how inaccurate the exit polling was just how do they know? How scientific is the estimate? Before we accept any final figures as accurate for this year we should know the source.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:04 pm 7. Donna V.:

My goodness, it’s a new Tinseltown scandal. “The Mystery of the Secret Republican Voters.” I predict there will be suspicious looks and whispering at future Beverly Hills parties:

“Faye just made a catty remark about Sean Penn. Maybe she’s one of those, you know, Bush voters.”

“But she gave $1000 to Moveon.org!”

“Just window dressing, I’m sure.”

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:08 pm 8. lindenen:

hehe Everybody’s in the closet.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:11 pm 9. Donna V.:

BTW, Jamie Irons, has business picked up since Nov. 2nd? I imagine hundreds of new ’scripts for Prozac and Zoloft were written in the Bay Area over the past few days.

Better them than me.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:14 pm 10. Steven Haskett:

The only thing I can think of is that the Clampetts have moved back to Beverly… Hills, that is.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:26 pm 11. JBR:

On the other side of the country, Bush went from about 15% of the vote last time to 25% of the vote this time in Brooklyn, and from 38% to 47% in Nassau County, Long Island. Sounds like significant improvement within the tribe, doesn’t it?

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:32 pm 12. furry:

in my ward in chicago, ill the 50th ward President Bush picked up 3,000 more votes this time over 2000

i think ge got them from jewish voters and some assrian voters

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:32 pm 13. insatty:

I wouldn’t be surprised if these astounding figures turn out to be accurate. Anecdotely, in July I picked up my kids from camp at Taft HS in the Valley, and the busses were two hours late. Most of the families that send their kids to this camp are jewish, and from the valley, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica and West LA. Many of the jewish women were kibbitzing about their Bush hatred and how they enjoyed Fahrenheit 911. I heard one say she knew no sane jew for Bush. I bit the bullet and admitted my heartfelt support, much to their surprise and consternation.

For two hours, these women’s husbands were quietly telling me that they intended to vote for Bush, but were afraid to admit it to their wives. The jewish men were insistent that we had to win the GWOT and on the importance of the tax cuts to their busnisses’ vitality. I came away from this experience much less alienated from “my own.”

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:35 pm 14. SWLiP:

Somehow, I foresee a new type of expose being published in about ten years or so.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:36 pm 15. Samuel:

Roger

Very interesting. I felt going into the election that Bush would garner at least 30-35% of the Jewish vote and was dissapointed at the reported numbers. But I am indeed inclined to believe the numbers being kicked around by the MSM are probably low. I have Jewish friends that have kept their support of Bush much more secretive than I. And I have gone pretty low in the last year because I go sick of all the shit being shoveled out at me. Check that, in truth that isn’t the full story. I more did it to protect my family, I could give a rats ass what people think of me. But I do believe it was over 30%. No matter, I am resting better these last few days for sure.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:39 pm 16. richard mcenroe:

Read this — Hollywood Reacts to Bush Win — They not only don’t get it, they don’t get that there’s anything to get…

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:41 pm 17. Rick Ballard:

Samuel,

It will be a while before I see anything that I will trust on what really happened. It’s going to take numbers from Gallup, Pew, Tarrance and Lake done in clear format before I’ll make an estimate. The trash put out by the sluts that AP hired is less than meaningless. Roger’s source and precinct methodology is better than what we’re getting from the MSM meme development squad, of that I’m sure.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:48 pm 18. Barrett:

While the numbers may prove to accurate, I would not start projecting such numbers in the future for the Republicans. It could happen, but such change takes a long time.

The Jews, who stop and think, realize that if the US “loses” (which can be defined in many ways from withdraws or appeases as Kerry would have had it, to the fall of Saudi Arabia and the energy derived economic strangulation of the West, to…..), that the future of Israel may be grim. The Jews, who supported Bush, realize that the US must win the GWOT. Lower taxes and lower regulatory costs also benefit the entreprenuerial class, which includes many Jews.

I think the much of the Jewish vote for Bush was largely the rejection of Kerry and his foreign, homeland safety and economic policies.

Nov 7, 2004 - 8:54 pm 19. Samuel:

Rick

Well the MSM and exit polling sucked, there are still decent pollsters like Gallop, but the reality is it is getting more difficult, add blatant hackery to those numbers and we get what we got on election day.

Barret

It depends on what you mean by a “long time”, my own children from my guess will be fairly Republican. Hell my oldest daughter is pro-Life. I don’t see myself voting Democrat unless the Republicans put forward a Pat Buchanan or anti-Israel candidate. I don’t see that happening for the obvious reason of the Evangelical support. I swear these people are more pro-Israel than I am. This fact is the first hurdle to overcome. Jewish people are very skeptcal of Fundamental Christians for many reasons I won’t get into. But let me just say that when one gets past those sentiments it is a quite natural relationship. The differences I handle with respect, that is what being a member of a coalition is all about. Gary Bauer is an example I always use. He is very pro-Israel and respectful of the Jewish State and causes. I never would have dreamed myself part of a coalition that he is also sympathetic to, but that is what 9/11 did. Most importantly as such relationships have been cultivated I realize that most of my fear and disdain of such people was quit exaggerated. Well the last statement is obvious when I see what is being spewed by a Party I was once part of.

Nov 7, 2004 - 9:29 pm 20. Dallas:

Roger,

You do need to be very skeptical of exit polls, which are now largely discredited. They systematically underreported the Bush vote in both 2000 and 2004.

The exit polls in 2000 indicated 18-19% Jewish vote for Bush. But the later post-election surveys (see, e.g., the Almanac of American Politics) suggested a higher number like 25%. So if exit polls are now suggesting low 20s for Bush among Jewish voters, think again: it was probably closer to 30%, perhaps slightly higher.

This number makes sense for another reason. Orthodox Jewish voters (who are trending strongly Republican) and non-Orthodox Jews who consider Israel to be their top issue together number about 35% of American Jews. There’s little to stop Bush or a later Republican from getting all of their votes. Furthermore, as noted by a number of bloggers and confirmed by my personal experience, Jews from the Soviet Union, from Europe, from Arab countries, and from Israel, if they voted at all, strongly tilted towards Bush. They are unaffected by the American Jewish romance with the Democrats that started in the 1930s, during the New Deal.

OTOH I suspect that’s as far as the present Republican party could go in getting Jewish voters. They can’t match Nixon’s roughly 40% take of the Jewish vote in 1972 or Reagan’s similar feat in 1984. Both happened during general landslides, which this election was not. The major reason is the Republicans’ shift to a new base in the South, in place of their old base in the Middle West and West. The Republicans now have an intense religious and socially conservative aura about them they didn’t have 20 or 30 years ago. This scares liberals, including liberal Jews.

What we’re seeing instead is, not a shift of the Jewish vote, but a fragmentation. And like many such trends in subpopulations in America, it reflects a larger fragmentation. Believe it or not, there are many people out there for whom the GWOT or changing the Middle East or whatever is not the top #1 priority.

Nov 7, 2004 - 9:43 pm 21. AST:

The pollsters have been worried this year by the numbers of people refusing to talk to them. But in Hollywood, there seem to be grounds for fear to admit your politics. Liberals have become practically rabid this year, not good for a party that wants to know how it’s doing.

When did the Democrats become the party of fear, loathing and suppression of dissent? I thought they were in favor of letting everybody do their own thing. The problem I always had with that kind of thinking is that it doesn’t make for a sound economy or a friendly society for non-hippies. I’ve always been conservative, and all the peace and love of the ’60s had a different face for those of us who didn’t agree. I think it was pretty clear that you wouldn’t want to wear a Goldwater button to one of those peace marchs.

If you were a fellow traveler, it really was all sweetness and light. Conservatives roll their eyes at the sight of long-haired people wearing NORML tee-shirts but they don’t swear at them and threaten them anymore. That went out with Nixon.

Nov 7, 2004 - 9:50 pm 22. dexter:

Can it be that in a couple more election cycles that Blue California can become a Red California with Arnold leading the way?

Nov 7, 2004 - 10:08 pm 23. lindenen:

Only if they get redistricting.

The one issue I’m most curious about is why the urban areas are such Democratic strongholds.

Also, I have to say I consider the fragmenting of the vote of different ethnic and religous groups to be very healthy because it means they’re assimilating into the population and no longer feel that they have to vote with the group. They can just vote as individuals.

Nov 7, 2004 - 10:16 pm 24. Eliza:

I am curious about the Oscars. I’ve always thought that F9/11 as well as The Passion would be nominated for best picture. The Awards need to create more drama to get people to watch again; and the films seem to be proxies, to a certain degree, of the blue and red states and symbols of the cultural divide.

The interesting thing is that Hollywood adored F9/11 and loathed The Passion (and used the occassion to fling the most hateful smears at Christians, which proved to be entirely unfounded); while the masses largely despise MM and saw The Passion as a hugely important cultural event — or even a catalist for spiritual renewal.

So, a) do you think both will be nominated, and b) who do you think will win?

Nov 7, 2004 - 10:37 pm 25. Lem:

I found myself in the middle of an attack last night, unbeknownst to “friends” around me, I had to say something. I finally told them I voted for Bush, even thou NJ was once again on the loosing side.

I figured If I’m going to come here (club) I think I should tell, many have before me I figure. I think we all should. Just the way Roger (roger) told us what’s been happening to him.

Wow, hold the phone. Jennifer Connelly is on bravo! bravo. I think she can act, (Yes she is hot) although she just pretended to hate Bush (it’s a knee-jerk Holywood reaction) it’s rare when a good looking, hot hot, woman is also talented.

Nov 7, 2004 - 11:03 pm 26. kbdabear:

I wonder how many of the celebrities will become paranoid over who the “traitors” are among them who talked Kerry but voted Bush.

Nov 8, 2004 - 12:22 am 27. Lem:

Hobout the ones who figured that loosing the surebet (not so secret Springsteen) has meant pissing off over half a potential fan base. Acting now means re-acting.

Nov 8, 2004 - 12:39 am 28. Lola:

If F9/11 is nominated for the best film then I’m boycotting the Oscars this year. It’ll give me a great excuse to go off to bed without feeling guilty about missing the big awards.

Nov 8, 2004 - 2:41 am 29. Tagore:

Hmm. Funny thing is that I’m a lot more pro-Israel than most NYC Jews. (Turns out, in a paternity twist that is worthy of a novel- not a good one like you write mind you- perhaps I am a Jew… long story, but I guess I’d be pleased if I were an Ashekenazi- maybe I am… got some DNA testing on the horizon- I’d like nothing better than to be descended from the sweet men of Chelm- along with my kill everybody Scots ancestors, that’s pretty complete, I think- both sweet and willing to cleave your head with the nearest object cause you looked at me funny- covers the bases, I guess).

Anyway, one of the things I’ve never understood about NYC Jews is their ambivalence toward Israel… most of my friends here are Jews and they all seem a bit apologetic… my attitude is that if you try to wipe my whole goddamned tribe off the map, _you_ should be a bit apologetic… I guess that’s the Scot in me, coming out… my family is kind of famous (notorious?- yeah they hate us- my family is the most hated family in Scotland) for wiping out our rivals, in Scotland.

First off, I’m pretty damned pro-Israeli. But second, it’s a bit weird to have all these Jews in NYC telling me that I should be less pro-Israeli. Dunno, in the end. I find myself a Sco-Israeli patriot…. What to do?

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:10 am 30. Loki the Dog:

As a mutt with no discernible Jewish heritage, I’ve also often questioned Jewish friends on their heartfelt support for Democrats. In this election, however, it appears there was more cross-over. Leading up to the election, I had more than one person tell me that there was more support for Bush amongst the Jewish community than was perhaps obvious. One friend told me that a Jewish cousin of his was holding regular Bush “meet-ups” leading up to the election. I didn’t even know there were Republican meet-ups!

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:46 am 31. Attila:

I’ve said many times over at my own blog that the Jewish vote for Bush will be understated by about 3 to 5 percent simply because Jews won’t admit to having voted for him. I’ve met some of these Jewish closet Bush voters, who confided in me only because they knew I was one of them. (It’s heartwarming to read the comments here, by the way, but I seriously doubt the undercount is more than 5 percent.)

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:49 am 32. Jamie Irons:

Tagore

I’m Scots, born and raised Presbyterian, converted to Judaism in adulthood.

A “total Jacksonian.” My great-grandfather, William Young Irons, was a Confederate soldier who served under Jubal Anderson Early (mentioned in a recent Belmont Club column) all through the Civil War. He survived — indeed he lived till 1917, a very long life for that era.

I fit the stereotype in the old Jewish joke, where it is said of Jews who are converts, “They’re the worst kind!”

Jamie Irons

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:57 am 33. ricpic:

The Dems are in an impossible bind. They must, absolutely must, keep both Blacks and Jews inside the tent. But Black anti-semitism in the person of Al Sharpton has now assumed respectable status – nay, untouchable status – within the Party.

Twist in the wind, hypocrites!

Nov 8, 2004 - 7:00 am 34. richard mcenroe:

Tagore ó What should you do? I’m not sure, but I think kilts and payess figure into it… consider it a fashion challenge.

Nov 8, 2004 - 7:23 am 35. ricpic:

Red headed Scots. Just another lost tribe.

Nov 8, 2004 - 7:33 am 36. tipper:

A a Jewish inhabitant of midwest “Jesusland”, I was heartened by the reported 19-25% increase (even though maybe it was higher and even though it definitely should have been higher).

But then I went to synagogue (conservative) on Saturday. You never heard such wailing and gnashing of teeth. “I don’t feel part of this country anymore.” “Americans failed to act in their own best interests just like the Palestinians.” And, a question to the rabbi “I never heard Bush say anything about Israel. Does Bush support Israel?” To which rabbi responded, “Both candidates and both parties are strong supporters of Israel.”

And then there was applause (not all enthusiastic) when they guy who was given the last word, who rabbi said has probably seen more elections than anyone else here, said that “Any retard should have been able to beat Bush” and called Bush a “maniac.”

Sigh. Still a long way to go.

Nov 8, 2004 - 8:15 am 37. Silicon valley Jim:

Two points, both of them at least implicitly questions:

1. A 22 percentage point increase in voting percentage for the Republican candidate in Beverly Hills is not the same thing as a 22 percentage point increase in Jews voting for the Republican candidate in Beverly Hills unless Beverly Hills is 100% Jewish. What Roger has written is that there was a 22 percentage point increase in Beverly Hills. Is it that, or is it that increase among Jews in Beverly Hills. I’ve never been there, but I sort of doubt that Beverly Hills is 100% Jewish. Doesn’t O.J. Simpson live there?

2. Data on how the vote broke down by age of the voter might shed some additional light on what’s going on. An older (however one wants to define that) Jewish voter might well have committed to the Democratic party many years ago for the good reason that FDR fought and won a war against an anti-Semitic opponent. Is the change the result of an even larger swing among younger Jewish voters, or is it pretty much the same swing among all age groups? If it’s the former, the Democrats should be very worried, because it would mean that the segment of this sub-population that supports them most strongly is dying off – fast.

Nov 8, 2004 - 8:21 am 38. Zev Sero:

Did the exit pollers sample the Jewish neighborhoods of Brooklyn? Borough Park, Flatbush, Midwood, Coney Island, Williamsburg, Crown Heights? I’ve never heard of an exit poller showing up in any of those places. If Bush got 25% of Brooklyn, you can be sure at least 2/3 of that was Jews. But if the only Jews the exit pollers talked to were in Manhattan, there’s no way they’d capture that.

Nov 8, 2004 - 9:04 am 39. Alex V:

Im a lifelong Beverly Hillbilly, and I’ve noticed a lot more political activity in the large Iranian Jewish community here. I think there must be a lag time since arriving here as refugees coming to a very different sort of society. They make up about a fifth of the city population.

We recently elected our first Persian city councilman, and my Iranian-Jewish next door neighbors displayed a political yard sign (Bush-Cheney), and they’ve never done that before.

This is just anecdotal evidence of course, but it stands to reason that Middle Eastern Jews may simply not have the same attachment to the Democratic Party as those of us who escaped Europe thanks to Franklin Roosevelt.

According to the California Secretary of State’s website, party registration in Beverly Hills is

52% Democratic, 25% Republican, and 23% independent and all others. Source (largish PDF file):

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/ror/polsub_09-30-03.pdf

Nov 8, 2004 - 10:51 am 40. thibaud:

Granted that this election, unlike others (1972, 1980) in which ~20% of jewish voters deserted a McGovernite Dem for the Republican, was not a landslide. However, I still believe the “Closet Bush” syndrome is larger than most suspect. I’ll hang my hat on a 15-20% defection of normally-jewish Dems to Bush, ie, 12-16% of jewish votes overall. We won’t know from the exit polls or the other junk data, but at some point in the future when the total vote is analyzed, county by county, I think my prediction will be born out because of the massive disconnect between

a) what the media tell us is driving voter behavior and what the real drivers actually are; and

b) what well-educated liberals tell their friends, neighbors and colleagues and what they in their heart of hearts believe.

With regard to a), the media were completely clueless as to the behavior of every group except african-americans. Despite all the blather about Rock the Vote, Mikey and Co, etc, the kids, as always, did not turn out. Voting is, like, hard, dude– a lot harder than ranting on a chatboard or firing up a bowl. You have to get out of bed, get dressed, find the polling place, among other things. This was a non-story from the start, and should not have been given anywhere near the coverage the MSM gave it.

At the same time the MSM were drooling over Mikey and George Blofeld-Soros and SPringsteen et al, these MSM jokers were completely ignoring the most important demographic group in US politics today: hispanics. It appears that Bush’s share of the hispanic vote soared, and that hispanic turnout also soared. Why?

No one in the MSM seems to even have a clue. Are these voters converts from Catholicism to evangelical Protestantism? That’s been a huge trend across Latin America during the last two decades, sufficient to cause alarm bells in the Vatican. The implications or this are massive, and are almost totally ignored by the MSM.

Are these voters pro-Iraq War? Certainly they have a very high attachment to the marines and, like other Catholic immigrant groups before them– esp the Irish (Audie Murphy, the Sullivan brothers, etc etc)– a desire to demonstrate their patriotism through military distinction and valor. But the only journalist or pundit to pick up on this is Michael Barone. This hugely important and, to anyone who’s ever spent time in the southwest, blatantly obvious cultural affinity is almost invisible to the Manhattan-Beltway-Hollywood axis.

This is symptomatic of the rot at the heart of what we call journalism today. Actually getting to know and understand hispanics means you have to get out of Manhattan or the Beltway and go to places like El Paso and actually spend some time with people who do not conform to your easy stereotypes. You may need to crunch some numbers, test some hyptotheses, and then revise them as you get new additional data. But this is not what journalists do. Their job as they see it is to call up an expert or two, maybe read the analyse du jour (Thomas Franks’ garbage about Kansas, e.g.), and then follow the herd with the usual cliche observations.

My point is, if the MSM are so far removed from overt social trends like the rise of hispanic America, how on earth can we expect them to get inside the minds of 2-3 million liberal Closet Bush supporters?

Screw these jokers. It’s time to create our own alternative journalism. Let a thousand blogs contend, etc.

Nov 8, 2004 - 10:55 am 41. notthisgirl:

I live in New Jersey. Last time, I think Gore beat Bush by 13% (or 18, can’t remember exactly). This time Kerry beat Bush by only 6%.

Nov 8, 2004 - 12:31 pm 42. lindenen:

thibaud, the word on the street is that the hispanic numbers indicating a high turn out for Bush are wrong.

Nov 8, 2004 - 12:33 pm 43. Coisty:

“thibaud, the word on the street is that the hispanic numbers indicating a high turn out for Bush are wrong.”

Yes, the original claim seems to be wrong. Bush probably got the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as 2000 – http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002444.html#002444

Nov 8, 2004 - 1:40 pm 44. The Fop:

The truth is, deep down inside, most liberal Ashkenazi American Jews think that Jews who live in Israel are irresponsible and out of their minds for living in such a dangerous place and placing their children and grandchildren in danger. They’ll never admit it to themselves, but it’s the truth. From the comfort of their suburban neighborhoods, they’ll say “the Middle East is a mess, and it’ll always be a mess, the Arabs will never change”.

I’m sure that Israelis are realistic about their situation, and realize that peace may never come in their lifetime. Still, they have hope for future generatons. American liberal Ashkenazi Jews look at the Israelis the way the average person looks at someone like Evel Kneivel or people who ride wild bulls in the rodeo, or people who dive off of those giant cliffs in Mexico. It’s like the Israelis are Jews from another planet. They can’t relate to that kind of danger, the same way the average liberal pacifist doesn’t want to think about the fact that it’s necessary for a country to have an army to protect itself, and sometimes that army has to fight wars. They don’t want to think about it, because it’s too unpleasant, like thinking about the fact that we’ll all wind up in a casket rotting in the ground one day.

American Jews have led the good life for several generations. A one eyed war hero like Moshe Dayan makes them proud, as long as they don’t have to remotely be subjected to that kind of danger or fear. I’m so disgusted with my fellow Jewish Americans, the way I feel right now, I don’t ever want to step foot in a reformed or conservative Ashkenazi American synagogue. And I don’t even keep kosher or celebrate most holidays.

Nov 8, 2004 - 2:43 pm 45. epistemology`:

Kerry gets 57%?

That’s a mandate, right?

Don’t be shocked, some people actually vote their economic interests. Think any of the Jews in Beverly Hills are wealthy?

Nov 8, 2004 - 4:30 pm 46. Terrye:

Hollywood is like a modern Salem or something, only instead of hunting witches they will be hunting Republicans.

I noticed on the map that has counties colored red and blue, most of Calfornia is red. If it gets too bad for you guys in Hollywood you can move out of town, say to the northern third of the state where every county went for Bush. might be safer.

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:06 pm 47. Catherine:

Pretty interesting.

I’m looking forward to getting some dependable data here.

I certainly fear loss of work due to my vote; in fact I’ve been having a paranoid feeling that I may already have been ‘cut’ from a certain circle.

If so, tant pis.

I should add that I only worry about loss of work at the moment, when emotions are still so raw.

I also sense economic opportunity. For awhile now I’ve been thinking of going to one of the big women’s mags and pitching myself as a neoconservative woman, or a Security Mom, or some such.

I’m thinking there’s money in being an Anthropological Curiosity. Especially when there’s 59,000,000 of me out there in yon Red States, all of whom have purchased a magazine or two in their lifetimes.

Nov 8, 2004 - 6:54 pm 48. richard mcenroe:

Epistemology ó So let’s make Kerry the honorary mayor of Beverly Hills, like Johnny Grant was of Hollywood…

Nov 8, 2004 - 7:26 pm 49. thibaud:

Catherine – I sense a huge opportunity for you. There’s obviously a great deal of fear, uncertainty, and ignorance today, not least because our intrepid MSM journalists are not doing the kind of in-depth and open-minded, clear-eyed reporting that would unearth what’s actually going on in the country.

Nov 9, 2004 - 7:49 am 50. MC:

According to NewsMax, about 75% of Russian Jews voted for W. I came to US about 14 years ago and I do not know any Russian Jews who voted for Kerry. Even those Russian Jews who depend on handouts from Dems still voted for Bush.

Nov 11, 2004 - 7:59 am 51. Ruthlilycat:

All’s I can say is that according to the Republican Jewish Coalition 11% of jewish over 64 are Repubs. The rest aren’t. But under 45 the numbers change drastically to 25% or something like that.

I have it all at my website linked. Somewhere

And let me remind the liberal jews on here for their information. The Nazi Party stood for National Socialist Party.

Not the National REPUBLICAN Party. Not the National RIGHTWARD Party.

No.

They were SOCIALISTS, it says in their name. Why the right has been blamed for it is obviously the result of the gayleft historians that want all the bad guys to be the right. Well, you’re wrong. Hitler was leftwing. And also, according to the latest books, gay as well.

Anyways, my parents in Las Vegas voted for Bush. They used to be Democrats. I voted for Bush. I used to be a Dem, used to be Left/anarcho/feminist/blah blah blah boring.

Now I’m a wife. And I’m really really happy. And I changed before I met my husband.

Now, go out and get yourself hitched everyone! To the opposite sex of course!

Nov 21, 2004 - 12:13 am

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