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		<title>By: PRIM</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/11/16/what-if-the-un-oil-for-food-scam-had-continued/#comment-28517</link>
		<dc:creator>PRIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Your point that continuation of Oil-For-Fraud would have simply gotten worse, and more lethal, is irrefutable.  But we also need to acknowledge that the delay of the invasion, while naively courting the very folks who were in bed with Saddam, cost us plenty.  It will be a long time before we know just how close we actually were to losing this war, even before we knew we were in it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Your point that continuation of Oil-For-Fraud would have simply gotten worse, and more lethal, is irrefutable.  But we also need to acknowledge that the delay of the invasion, while naively courting the very folks who were in bed with Saddam, cost us plenty.  It will be a long time before we know just how close we actually were to losing this war, even before we knew we were in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonewacko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonewacko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But here&#039;s my thought for the day. Suppose the US had not invaded Iraq and the Oil-for-Food scam had continued apace, netting billions a year for Saddam and his cohorts?&lt;/i&gt;



And, all of that would have continued and the U.S. would be completely unable to stop it. We would have been completely powerless in this matter. Let&#039;s face it - the Bush administration is completely incompetent and could not have brought an end to OFF corruption. There was simply nothing we could have done.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But here&#8217;s my thought for the day. Suppose the US had not invaded Iraq and the Oil-for-Food scam had continued apace, netting billions a year for Saddam and his cohorts?</i></p>
<p>And, all of that would have continued and the U.S. would be completely unable to stop it. We would have been completely powerless in this matter. Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; the Bush administration is completely incompetent and could not have brought an end to OFF corruption. There was simply nothing we could have done.</p>
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		<title>By: ambisinistral</title>
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		<dc:creator>ambisinistral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On topic (and hopefully better proof read than my last post).



I agree with PeterUK that the UN will try to manufacture an equivilent scandal to soften the blow. I also agree the MSM will minimize coverage on UNSCAM as mucgh as possible. However, both Houses of Congress sense blood in the water on this one.



And they do control the purse strings...



It will be a long blistering fight, but unless France wants to dump their agriculural subsidies to keep the UN afloat, the leverage of dollars will trump loyalty to Kofi. Played properly, this is the opening to scuttle Kofi&#039;s attempt to redefine the Secratary General as a sort of Head of State and steer the position back to being no more than an administrator as was originally intended. Transnationalism needs to be smacked down.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On topic (and hopefully better proof read than my last post).</p>
<p>I agree with PeterUK that the UN will try to manufacture an equivilent scandal to soften the blow. I also agree the MSM will minimize coverage on UNSCAM as mucgh as possible. However, both Houses of Congress sense blood in the water on this one.</p>
<p>And they do control the purse strings&#8230;</p>
<p>It will be a long blistering fight, but unless France wants to dump their agriculural subsidies to keep the UN afloat, the leverage of dollars will trump loyalty to Kofi. Played properly, this is the opening to scuttle Kofi&#8217;s attempt to redefine the Secratary General as a sort of Head of State and steer the position back to being no more than an administrator as was originally intended. Transnationalism needs to be smacked down.</p>
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		<title>By: ambisinistral</title>
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		<dc:creator>ambisinistral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing to wander off topic with the marine shooting...



The edited shot they are playing shows two men, one obviously older in the foreground. The older man, appears to seriously wounded if not dead, seems to slightly bob his head as the Marines are saying he is faking it. The film the goes to black and the shot is heard. The implication is the old geezer got shot.



LGF has the unedited footage and it shows a considerably different picture. The two men are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; who are being discussed when they wonder if the jihadist is faking death. There is a person, barely seen in the background and that is who gets shot. There is actually nothing bloody about it since the guy is so far away. Further, and even more incredible as the film runs it pans to the left and you see another Jihadist between the two men and shot jihadist. He is wounded, and is displaying his handfs in obvious surrender and is not molested at all.



Very vclear there is no amuck rampage of killing wounded Jihadists going on. Rather, the one in the background must have appeared to look alive, but made no effort to surrender. I would say a bullet to the head is an appropriate response in the situation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing to wander off topic with the marine shooting&#8230;</p>
<p>The edited shot they are playing shows two men, one obviously older in the foreground. The older man, appears to seriously wounded if not dead, seems to slightly bob his head as the Marines are saying he is faking it. The film the goes to black and the shot is heard. The implication is the old geezer got shot.</p>
<p>LGF has the unedited footage and it shows a considerably different picture. The two men are <i>not</i> who are being discussed when they wonder if the jihadist is faking death. There is a person, barely seen in the background and that is who gets shot. There is actually nothing bloody about it since the guy is so far away. Further, and even more incredible as the film runs it pans to the left and you see another Jihadist between the two men and shot jihadist. He is wounded, and is displaying his handfs in obvious surrender and is not molested at all.</p>
<p>Very vclear there is no amuck rampage of killing wounded Jihadists going on. Rather, the one in the background must have appeared to look alive, but made no effort to surrender. I would say a bullet to the head is an appropriate response in the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger:



A further example of how the MSM handles war scandals, or more accurately how they manufacture war scandals. In a discussion of the marine shooting incident Chris Matthews had this insightfull observation-   &quot;Well, let me ask you about this. If this were the other side and we were watching an enemy soldier,a rival, I mean they&#039;re not bad guys especially, just people who disagree with us, they are in fact insurgents, fighting us in their country&quot;.....



Now I understand everything. I was under the illusion that these were men who were trying to install a barbaric 7th century form of isalmic fascism, where women are forced under veils and kept in a form of bondage, that these were men who videotaped the savage beheading of kidnapped non-combatants, men who used young children and women as human bombs and who are now killing any iraqi who &quot;disagrees&quot; with them and is trying to co-operate with the new government that is trying to set up a democratic government. Now thanks to Chris I now know that these are reasonable guys who just have some different but equally valis ideas on how to run a country,sorta like the differences between democrats and republicans. Thanks Chris.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger:</p>
<p>A further example of how the MSM handles war scandals, or more accurately how they manufacture war scandals. In a discussion of the marine shooting incident Chris Matthews had this insightfull observation-   &#8220;Well, let me ask you about this. If this were the other side and we were watching an enemy soldier,a rival, I mean they&#8217;re not bad guys especially, just people who disagree with us, they are in fact insurgents, fighting us in their country&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Now I understand everything. I was under the illusion that these were men who were trying to install a barbaric 7th century form of isalmic fascism, where women are forced under veils and kept in a form of bondage, that these were men who videotaped the savage beheading of kidnapped non-combatants, men who used young children and women as human bombs and who are now killing any iraqi who &#8220;disagrees&#8221; with them and is trying to co-operate with the new government that is trying to set up a democratic government. Now thanks to Chris I now know that these are reasonable guys who just have some different but equally valis ideas on how to run a country,sorta like the differences between democrats and republicans. Thanks Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye,

The UN is going to barter alleged human rights violations in Iraq for UNSCUM,these are just the opening moves.

As for the MSM,perhaps your IRS should examine the life styles of the media,succinct little questions like,&quot;How do you afford a $1000 habit on your salary?&quot;,&quot;Where on earth do you find the space to park six SUVs?&quot;.I&#039;m sure Dennis could do this blindfolded.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye,</p>
<p>The UN is going to barter alleged human rights violations in Iraq for UNSCUM,these are just the opening moves.</p>
<p>As for the MSM,perhaps your IRS should examine the life styles of the media,succinct little questions like,&#8221;How do you afford a $1000 habit on your salary?&#8221;,&#8221;Where on earth do you find the space to park six SUVs?&#8221;.I&#8217;m sure Dennis could do this blindfolded.</p>
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		<title>By: jedrury</title>
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		<dc:creator>jedrury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knucklehead:



Can the freedom of the press include the freedom to receive compensation from the objects of their coverage.



Banish the thought !!!



You deserves to have your mouth washed out with a bar of Ivory
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knucklehead:</p>
<p>Can the freedom of the press include the freedom to receive compensation from the objects of their coverage.</p>
<p>Banish the thought !!!</p>
<p>You deserves to have your mouth washed out with a bar of Ivory</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to go all tinfoil hattish, but didn&#039;t Saddam say something like, &quot;Buying journalists is cheaper than buying weapons&quot;?



I sometimes wonder if we are mistaken to think that the MSM practices elitist groupthink rather than simple economic self-interest - he who pays the piper calls the tune.



There was and is a lot of money floating around out there in Jihadiland UNkleptoland and little of it seems to be tasked with building and maintaining the essential infrastructures of 21st century life.  That leaves a whole lot of it free for purchasing expensive weapons and inexpensive mouthpieces.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to go all tinfoil hattish, but didn&#8217;t Saddam say something like, &#8220;Buying journalists is cheaper than buying weapons&#8221;?</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder if we are mistaken to think that the MSM practices elitist groupthink rather than simple economic self-interest &#8211; he who pays the piper calls the tune.</p>
<p>There was and is a lot of money floating around out there in Jihadiland UNkleptoland and little of it seems to be tasked with building and maintaining the essential infrastructures of 21st century life.  That leaves a whole lot of it free for purchasing expensive weapons and inexpensive mouthpieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin:



And where has this gotten the media?



Tom Brokaw was booed at a football game in Oklahoma. Now I realize Norman Ok is not NYC, but people are starting to wonder if the media works for them or itself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:</p>
<p>And where has this gotten the media?</p>
<p>Tom Brokaw was booed at a football game in Oklahoma. Now I realize Norman Ok is not NYC, but people are starting to wonder if the media works for them or itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger:



Someone posted above that they couldn&#039;t believe the lack of coverage of this issue in the MSM. It is horrific but it should be no suprise. In the era of agenda journalism coverage of the abuse of Iraq by the UN does not fit in to the narrative that the MSM has created. The dogma that we must be more multilateral in our foreign policy rests on the use of the UN to filter  and receive approval for all of our decisions in this war. To find out that the UN is a corrupt and feckless organization destroys the house of cards paradigm that they promote. This would require the MSM to reconsider their  basic belief systems and like most dogmatic organizations they cling onto their myths harder then the most orthodox religions. Due to pressure from the blogs and some members of congress there will have to be some coverage but it will be minimal. Watch how much coverage the single killing of a wounded &quot;insurgent&quot; in a hot war zone will get in comparison. I am sure the marines will investigate this and considering the nature of how the insurgents have been fighting this war, not exactly following the Geneva Conventions, I find the reving up of the scandall coverage this will get sickening. Think about it, one man killed getting repeated front page coverage by the MSM while they ignore a 21 billion fleecing of a country by the UN. The number of dead resulting from the UN sanctioned raping of Iraq will dwarf the single terrorist dying but in the world of the NY Times and LA Times it only merits a small page 8 story that will be forgotten in the upcoming breast beating and self loathing wailing that will be coming regarding the Marine story.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger:</p>
<p>Someone posted above that they couldn&#8217;t believe the lack of coverage of this issue in the MSM. It is horrific but it should be no suprise. In the era of agenda journalism coverage of the abuse of Iraq by the UN does not fit in to the narrative that the MSM has created. The dogma that we must be more multilateral in our foreign policy rests on the use of the UN to filter  and receive approval for all of our decisions in this war. To find out that the UN is a corrupt and feckless organization destroys the house of cards paradigm that they promote. This would require the MSM to reconsider their  basic belief systems and like most dogmatic organizations they cling onto their myths harder then the most orthodox religions. Due to pressure from the blogs and some members of congress there will have to be some coverage but it will be minimal. Watch how much coverage the single killing of a wounded &#8220;insurgent&#8221; in a hot war zone will get in comparison. I am sure the marines will investigate this and considering the nature of how the insurgents have been fighting this war, not exactly following the Geneva Conventions, I find the reving up of the scandall coverage this will get sickening. Think about it, one man killed getting repeated front page coverage by the MSM while they ignore a 21 billion fleecing of a country by the UN. The number of dead resulting from the UN sanctioned raping of Iraq will dwarf the single terrorist dying but in the world of the NY Times and LA Times it only merits a small page 8 story that will be forgotten in the upcoming breast beating and self loathing wailing that will be coming regarding the Marine story.</p>
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