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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/19/strange-news-from-iraq-the-model/#comment-31638</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way dead thread but this was Barnett&#039;s reply to my email: &quot;Try the book and I think you&#039;ll have a hard time classifying me.  I don&#039;t know Strauss so hard to be a neocon, I imagine.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way dead thread but this was Barnett&#8217;s reply to my email: &#8220;Try the book and I think you&#8217;ll have a hard time classifying me.  I don&#8217;t know Strauss so hard to be a neocon, I imagine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/19/strange-news-from-iraq-the-model/#comment-31637</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lost on Earth - darn it I had just gone to bed - (only to be up for the day by 3:30am -will definitely be looking into that Lunesta!). I read your link though and I see that his ideas are indeed very influential. And if he&#039;s building on Fukayama, quite obviously he is a neocon. If he becomes more of a household name, it might do much to dispel the &quot;evil neocon&quot; meme.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost on Earth &#8211; darn it I had just gone to bed &#8211; (only to be up for the day by 3:30am -will definitely be looking into that Lunesta!). I read your link though and I see that his ideas are indeed very influential. And if he&#8217;s building on Fukayama, quite obviously he is a neocon. If he becomes more of a household name, it might do much to dispel the &#8220;evil neocon&#8221; meme.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Matt Evans--and all the others who posit the mixed altruistic/self-interest reason behind Iraq policy.



If the slogan were instead &quot;It&#039;s all about the FOOD!&quot; would the war somehow be more morally palatable?  Oil is as necessary as food for the survival of everyone, China and Bangladesh as well as for the US.  And of course those countries won&#039;t help us--they know we&#039;d do it anyway.



So unless leftists are willing to plunge the globe into a Dark Ages of economic depression and pre-enlightenment savagery, they should come up with a reasonable alternative to deposing the ME oil despots or shut the frick up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Matt Evans&#8211;and all the others who posit the mixed altruistic/self-interest reason behind Iraq policy.</p>
<p>If the slogan were instead &#8220;It&#8217;s all about the FOOD!&#8221; would the war somehow be more morally palatable?  Oil is as necessary as food for the survival of everyone, China and Bangladesh as well as for the US.  And of course those countries won&#8217;t help us&#8211;they know we&#8217;d do it anyway.</p>
<p>So unless leftists are willing to plunge the globe into a Dark Ages of economic depression and pre-enlightenment savagery, they should come up with a reasonable alternative to deposing the ME oil despots or shut the frick up.</p>
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		<title>By: asher</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/19/strange-news-from-iraq-the-model/#comment-31635</link>
		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline, thanks!  Congratulations on getting e-mails back from VDH.  Hope you had a chance to catch Barnett.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline, thanks!  Congratulations on getting e-mails back from VDH.  Hope you had a chance to catch Barnett.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost on Earth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost on Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, the program was just ending but it will be airing again at 11:24pm EST w/the call-ins. Here&#039;s a link to Barnett&#039;s page at CSPAN. http://www.booknotes.org/Program/?ProgramID=1782 (Sorry, don&#039;t know how to link.)



On the right, there&#039;s a link to a transcript and a link that says you can watch the original program but for some reason it&#039;s not working for me. I rarely comment here but some time ago I asked around about this Barnett fellow. Hope this helps.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, the program was just ending but it will be airing again at 11:24pm EST w/the call-ins. Here&#8217;s a link to Barnett&#8217;s page at CSPAN. <a href="http://www.booknotes.org/Program/?ProgramID=1782" rel="nofollow">http://www.booknotes.org/Program/?ProgramID=1782</a> (Sorry, don&#8217;t know how to link.)</p>
<p>On the right, there&#8217;s a link to a transcript and a link that says you can watch the original program but for some reason it&#8217;s not working for me. I rarely comment here but some time ago I asked around about this Barnett fellow. Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lost on Earth</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/19/strange-news-from-iraq-the-model/#comment-31633</link>
		<dc:creator>Lost on Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline,



Don&#039;t know if you&#039;re around right now, it&#039;s 10:30pm EST, but CSPAN is airing Barnett&#039;s TPNM and taking questions.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re around right now, it&#8217;s 10:30pm EST, but CSPAN is airing Barnett&#8217;s TPNM and taking questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to borrow stereotypes, is it not the case that &quot;enlightened&quot; could possibly pass as the buzz-word of the &quot;left&quot; while &quot;self-interest&quot; could pass as the buzzword of the right? I do hate to do that to the right - it seems rude somehow - but I&#039;m really grooving now on the concept of &quot;enlightened self-interest&quot;.....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to borrow stereotypes, is it not the case that &#8220;enlightened&#8221; could possibly pass as the buzz-word of the &#8220;left&#8221; while &#8220;self-interest&#8221; could pass as the buzzword of the right? I do hate to do that to the right &#8211; it seems rude somehow &#8211; but I&#8217;m really grooving now on the concept of &#8220;enlightened self-interest&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Asher. I am actually so interested in Thomas Barnett&#039;s ideas that I emailed him and asked him whether 1) he defines himself as a &quot;neocon&quot; and 2)  he actually has much influence on American foreign policy. As Victor Davis Hanson actually took the time to email me back twice (OK - no doubt it was his assistant but what a great guy, huh?) I thought it was worth a shot. My thinking is that if Barnett really does represent the future of American foreign policy then I can  confidently claim to be a liberal, a conservative, and everything that lies in between - a believer in American &quot;exceptionalism&quot; as VDH puts it. I have seen other links to neocon thought such as &quot;Project for a New American Century&quot; - and frankly it didn&#039;t do much to dispel my suspicions about American &quot;imperialism&quot;. Bartnett&#039;s ideas frankly go far to dispel my suspicions. If he emails me back I&#039;ll be sure to let you know (I did warn him that I was posting his ideas on popular blogs like Roger&#039;s).  And Asher - thanks for re-introducing into my vocabulary the term &quot;enlightened self-interest.&quot; (I admit to  being a total dunce, despite an excellent education -how sad is that?). &quot;Enlightened self-interest&quot; could be exactly the term to sum it all up and if it&#039;s not -then it darned well should be!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Asher. I am actually so interested in Thomas Barnett&#8217;s ideas that I emailed him and asked him whether 1) he defines himself as a &#8220;neocon&#8221; and 2)  he actually has much influence on American foreign policy. As Victor Davis Hanson actually took the time to email me back twice (OK &#8211; no doubt it was his assistant but what a great guy, huh?) I thought it was worth a shot. My thinking is that if Barnett really does represent the future of American foreign policy then I can  confidently claim to be a liberal, a conservative, and everything that lies in between &#8211; a believer in American &#8220;exceptionalism&#8221; as VDH puts it. I have seen other links to neocon thought such as &#8220;Project for a New American Century&#8221; &#8211; and frankly it didn&#8217;t do much to dispel my suspicions about American &#8220;imperialism&#8221;. Bartnett&#8217;s ideas frankly go far to dispel my suspicions. If he emails me back I&#8217;ll be sure to let you know (I did warn him that I was posting his ideas on popular blogs like Roger&#8217;s).  And Asher &#8211; thanks for re-introducing into my vocabulary the term &#8220;enlightened self-interest.&#8221; (I admit to  being a total dunce, despite an excellent education -how sad is that?). &#8220;Enlightened self-interest&#8221; could be exactly the term to sum it all up and if it&#8217;s not -then it darned well should be!</p>
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		<title>By: asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline, as far as I&#039;m concerned you may not only have a cigarette but a glass of champagne as well.  Thanks for a very thoughtful post, and a great article.



I believe you are exactly right, that the &quot;much maligned neo-con vision&quot; is a good one, firmly based on a concept of enlightened self-interest.  And for the last 30 years, most of America&#039;s liberal establishment have been talking the talk of &quot;human rights&quot; while excusing some of the vilest dictatorships in the Middle East.  Roger has spoken quite eloquently about this.  I&#039;ll only add that the neocons get such a bad rap from the press precisely because they have caught the reactionary &quot;liberal&quot; world in its great hypocrisy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline, as far as I&#8217;m concerned you may not only have a cigarette but a glass of champagne as well.  Thanks for a very thoughtful post, and a great article.</p>
<p>I believe you are exactly right, that the &#8220;much maligned neo-con vision&#8221; is a good one, firmly based on a concept of enlightened self-interest.  And for the last 30 years, most of America&#8217;s liberal establishment have been talking the talk of &#8220;human rights&#8221; while excusing some of the vilest dictatorships in the Middle East.  Roger has spoken quite eloquently about this.  I&#8217;ll only add that the neocons get such a bad rap from the press precisely because they have caught the reactionary &#8220;liberal&#8221; world in its great hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - don&#039;t ask me how it happened but that was my first successful link. Can I have a cigarette now?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; don&#8217;t ask me how it happened but that was my first successful link. Can I have a cigarette now?</p>
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