17 Comments

1. David Thomson:

Just focus on one thing: The Guardian wanted John Kerry to win the presidency. Thatís all you need to know. Kerry and the national Democratic Party are objectively on the side of our enemies.

Jan 2, 2005 - 9:18 am 2. erp:

No mention of the Guardian’s 2004 Piece de Resistance — the great Clark County, Ohio mail in which probably sealed Bush’s re-election by causing Clark Co. to go Republican the first time in recorded history.

Jan 2, 2005 - 9:26 am 3. Richard Nieporent:

And while most of the comments directed to me were about America’s responsibility to right the wrongs done to the Palestinians, some in the audience picked up my challenge to recognize that the United States could help the Palestinians only if they were prepared to fulfill their obligations, particularly on security. Indeed, when I declared that there would be no Palestinian state born of violence — with the leading proponents of that violence sitting there — several Palestinians responded by saying that violence was a mistake and nothing would be achieved by it.

You are grasping at straws. Just because a few people are willing to not be totally deluded, doesn’t mean that the Palestinians understand that violence is not the answer to their problem. Also, just remember who Dennis Ross worked for. Did he accomplish anything positive in all the time he was the US Middle East envoy?

Jan 2, 2005 - 9:45 am 4. David Thomson:

ìAlso, just remember who Dennis Ross worked for. Did he accomplish anything positive in all the time he was the US Middle East envoy?î

I suspect that the above comments were mistakenly placed on the wrong thread. Nonetheless, it is fair to describe Dennis Ross as a man who made things far worse. The not so subtle message sent to the self pitying and whiny Palestinians was that they are victims of Western imperialism. How can you blame them? In some ways, terrorist acts are justified. Ross and his cohorts listened to quasi-Marxists like Edward Said and ignored the wisdom of Bernard Lewis.

Jan 2, 2005 - 10:02 am 5. Richard Nieporent:

I suspect that the above comments were mistakenly placed on the wrong thread.

In the immortal words of the sage Homer: D’oh!

I will repost it it on the correct thread.

Jan 2, 2005 - 11:02 am 6. Rick Ballard:

Norm Geras did a fine job with his illustrative observations concerning the Guardian. The Guardian is an incoherent voice for an increasingly incoherent POV.

Roger,

I concur with your ‘Best of the Year” comment but Nelson Ascher has a very good retrospective that is worth a read.

Jan 2, 2005 - 11:35 am 7. Terrye:

erp:

And let us not forget the op-ed calling fo the murder of George Bush.

Classy bunch of folks at the Guardian. I wish I was sophisticated enough to ask where John Wilkes Boothe is when you need him.

Jan 2, 2005 - 11:49 am 8. Knucklehead:

Rick,

Thanks for the Nelson Ascher link – well worth the few minutes of reading time!

Jan 2, 2005 - 2:12 pm 9. PeterUK:

It is a mistake to think that the Guardian is a publication,it is not,it is a Socialists in Crisis Encounter Group.Containing them in the same publication releases the pressure and prevents them from going around spraying their demented thoughts on lavatory walls.

Jan 2, 2005 - 3:11 pm 10. Terrye:

Peter:

They are not as bad as the Independent.

Jan 2, 2005 - 3:38 pm 11. richard mcenroe:

Terry ó Al-Jazeera isn’t as bad as the Independent…

Jan 2, 2005 - 3:45 pm 12. Terrye:

ricahrd:

truer words…

Hey somebody has to employ Fisk otherwise he might hire himself out to bad people…

Jan 2, 2005 - 4:39 pm 13. PeterUK:

Terrye,

Thats unfair,the Guardian doesn’t have Fisque,but both papers have great qualties of demented sinistrality.

Jan 2, 2005 - 4:39 pm 14. PeterUK:

Terrye,

He does it for love.

Jan 2, 2005 - 4:40 pm 15. Kevin P:

Roger:

The Guardian is just a cruder version of the New York Times. Take away the gray lady’s fake gentleness and they are coming from the same pond.The Guardian is the Times after a bottle of Glenfiddich.

Jan 2, 2005 - 5:16 pm 16. Terrye:

Peter:

Is that what they call it? I jsut think he is a loon.

I bet the Arabs get a real kick out of him.

what a maroon they say

Jan 2, 2005 - 6:20 pm 17. PeterUK:

Terrye,

Our countries both share a similar conundrum,what to do with the over-educated scions of the upper middle classes.They went to good schools,good universties,have the money and the networks of their parents behind them,but they desperately wish to be proletarians.Not in the sense of getting their hands dirty,you understand,but somewhere where all that education and compassion could be put to good use and so “journalism” was born.This allowed them the vicarious thrill of being marxist revolutionaries,without the guns and the blood,leaving them free for dinner parties and three hour lunches.

Simple really as long as you know the latest buzz phrases and can tell a good claret from a bad,the worlds your lobster.

Jan 2, 2005 - 6:56 pm

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