67 Comments

1. Lola:

I hope she hands him his rear posterior on a platter.

Jan 18, 2005 - 9:59 am 2. Hermie:

Were these the ‘foreign leaders’ he claimed supported him when he ran against Bush?

Jan 18, 2005 - 10:37 am 3. thedragonflies:

Struggling to remain relevant, at least in his own fantasies.

Jan 18, 2005 - 10:39 am 4. Ed Poinsett:

Dragonflies

In my mind he is struggling to become relevant.

Regards

Jan 18, 2005 - 10:46 am 5. jedrury:

Poor Condi, she deserves the job if only after going before the Senate Foreign Relations and listening to such a line up of Democratic flannel mouths; Biden, Dodd, Kerry, Boxer and Obama.

O and then there is Russ “I will get money out of politics” Feingold as well.

Apparently, the Democratic Causcus choses these senators for their ability to pontificate, bloviate and thoroughly annoy the American electorate.

Jan 18, 2005 - 10:53 am 6. chuck:

thedragonflies:

Struggling to remain relevant, at least in his own fantasies.

Just stuck in the 70’s, appealing to the cutting edge, long haired, balding folks.

Jan 18, 2005 - 10:59 am 7. Lola:

Obama Barak??? How did he get such a plum spot, being a freshman? All the more reason to be even more suspicious of his motives.

Jan 18, 2005 - 11:23 am 8. Barbara Skolaut:

I’m at work, so can’t watch the show.

But I have to admire Dr. Rice for not rolling on the floor laughing at these wankers. I wouldn’t have the fortitude to resist.

Jan 18, 2005 - 11:23 am 9. Fausta:

On the one hand, having the hearings brodcast on TV encourages the politicians to grandstand & blow hot air ad nauseam.

On the other hand, it shows them for the fools they are.

And one gets to appreciate Dr. Rice’s substance.

Jan 18, 2005 - 11:30 am 10. Kevin P:

Roger:

These hearings are turning into a soundbite competition for the nightly news. I caught a bit of CNN take on the fireworks. They basically said that these hearings are important because we need to know what her policies would be and what her philosophy on foreign policy would be. I agree, but they have turned into gotcha questions about WMD. It is a continuation of the “admit you were wrong, admit you lied about WMD”, not a Q&A about policy. Condi did a good job by slapping down “my” Senator Boxer when she got on her high pony and tried to imply the standard Michael Moore DU you lied, people died schtick. Biden, Boxer and co. always want to play the 20/20 hindsight game without ever giving an alternative policy suggestion. They are going to approve the nomination, they just want to slap her around and get on TV, they are not their to learn about what Rice’s policy is or give alternative policy suggestions.

Jan 18, 2005 - 11:33 am 11. Rick Ballard:

“How did he get such a plum spot”

Lola,

The Senate is 55-45 now and Obama and Salazar are the only new Dems out of the 45. In ‘06 when the Senate goes 60-40 he’ll be sitting on ten committees – somebody has to and an ever decreasing number of available senators means that the Dems are really going to have to multi-task for the forseeable future.

Jan 18, 2005 - 12:31 pm 12. Silicon valley Jim:

I hope she hands him his rear posterior on a platter.

And with it, his head, which is stuck there.

Jan 18, 2005 - 12:39 pm 13. DennisThePeasant:

Lola-

I believe Barak Obama is, to paraphrase Harry Bellefonte, the Democratic Party’s Senatorial House Negro.

Jan 18, 2005 - 12:47 pm 14. Mark Poling:

I want to know why the Democratic leadership is allowing Boxer to become the face of “the Democratic arm of the Democratic Party.” First there was the whole Electoral College farce-in-sad-clown-face. Now she’s yapping at a woman who obviously outclasses her intellectually by at least two standard deviations.

Are the Democrats really comfortable looking this bad?

Jan 18, 2005 - 12:57 pm 15. Kevin P:

Roger:

Sen. Kerry should look at Sen. Biden and see his future.and then shudder. He has a future filled with trivial moments of yapping like a toy poodle at the people who actually shape world history and get things accomplished.

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:07 pm 16. jedrury:

Roger, your guests are hitting on all cylinders today. Nothing brings out the apt metaphors, the creative turns of phrase – and may I say, the sharp accuracies – as the Democratic side of the Senate Foreign Relations. Wondeful afternoon on the site.

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:14 pm 17. Morgan:

John Kerry and Associates:

Providers of amusing self-parody since late 2004.

They oughta hang out a shingle.

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:15 pm 18. Fresh Air:

OT, DennisthePeasant– Did Lil Joe get his 15 minutes in the NYT story being bitchslapped around the Internet today? I understand a “fringe left-wing” blogger accused the IraqtheModel folks of being CIA plants. Sound like anyone we know?

Please, say it ain’t…Joe…

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:29 pm 19. Wallace:

Being a concerned citizen, I tried watching some of the hearings while home for lunch. What I got was Joe Biden droning on with some sort of bizarre speech aimed at what, I don’t know and moving in a direction I could not follow. Was he being paid by the inane word? I think perhaps that he was trying to outline the history of the western world since 1900.

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:37 pm 20. Silicon valley Jim:

I want to know why the Democratic leadership is allowing Boxer to become the face of “the Democratic arm of the Democratic Party.”

I have two somewhat contradictory hypotheses, both centered around the fact that she won’t be up for re-election until 2008 (unless she dies from getting another face-lift before then). One is that they don’t have the threat of nominating another Democrat until then. The other is that most other Democratic Senators feel the same way that she does, but two-thirds of them don’t have six years for their electorates to forget what they said.

Now she’s yapping at a woman who obviously outclasses her intellectually by at least two standard deviations.

“At least” is right; I think that the woman who just made me a sandwich at Subway outclasses her by two standard deviations.

The fact that she was just re-elected is a reason that I’ll be leaving California reasonably soon.

Jan 18, 2005 - 1:58 pm 21. charlotte:

Even Ted thinks Obama is Osama. Funny that a professional leftist-anti-American-multiculturalist politician can’t keep those dang furrin names straight.

Jan 18, 2005 - 2:00 pm 22. Syl:

Biden was going on about the EU’s talks with Iran and wondering why we were not in on the process. After all, don’t we have carrots to offer Iran as well?

(Nope, Biden, we are the stick!!)

The moral equivalence was rather appalling with Biden giving all kinds of reasons why Iran deserves to have nuclear capabilities..just like Israel has.

And, for Pete’s sake, Russia and China have human rights problems and we deal economically with them! What exactly is the difference here?

(As viewers, nationwide, ticked off the differences on their fingers.)

The best one of the day, however, was Boxer. What a treat! I hope all of America heard her!

LOL

Jan 18, 2005 - 2:06 pm 23. Paul:

Mark Poling:

“Are the Democrats really comfortable looking this bad?”

The problem is that they are so hopelessly divorced from reality they can no longer make such obvious distinctions. I know plenty who that think Boxer is a courageous leader battling the dark forces and speaking truth to power.

Oh oh… I just reread that sentence and had a slight accident. I gotta go clean up now.

Jan 18, 2005 - 2:36 pm 24. Patrick Tyson:

California Senator Barbara Boxer won’t be up for re-election, should she decide to seek another term, until 2010. If she dies before then, she won’t be up for re-election unless, I suppose, the Democrats nominate her. Maybe then a California Republican could defeat her.

Jan 18, 2005 - 2:44 pm 25. PeterUK:

DennisthePeasant,

See what happens when L’il Joe loses that restraining hand,he runs about exposing himself to decent folk.

Jan 18, 2005 - 3:08 pm 26. JBR:

Patrick Tyson: If she dies before then, she will most likely become a registered voter in Seattle.

Jan 18, 2005 - 3:24 pm 27. Assistant Village Idiot:

Arab leaders told Kerry…

John, maybe they had an ulterior motive, y’think?

Jan 18, 2005 - 3:43 pm 28. Kevin P:

Roger:

I loved it when Sen. Kerry started going on about his wonderfull plans to cure the worlds problems. Rice diplomaticaly said she would love to discuss it with him at a later date. Translation, You ran, you lost, e-mail me and I will delete it when I need to clear space on my hard drive.

Jan 18, 2005 - 4:21 pm 29. Silicon valley Jim:

California Senator Barbara Boxer won’t be up for re-election, should she decide to seek another term, until 2010.

Oh, yeah! 2004 plus 6 is 2010, not 2008. Two degrees in accounting, a CFP license, and I can’t add. How embarrassing.

Jan 18, 2005 - 4:26 pm 30. Kevin P:

Roger:

Why is it that foreign leaders only offer to help us in Iraq when they talk to Sen.Kerry? Because they know he has no power and of course they know he is gullible and enough of an egomaniac to think that they would speak truthfully to him. They will offer to help once the chance of physical harm is over. Until that time the only thing they will do is make phoney offers of help to a has been pol.

Jan 18, 2005 - 4:51 pm 31. Charlie (Colorado):

It’s not as funny or as creative or as eloquent or as classy as the other comments, but Kerry has now just flat out pissed me off. That last sequence of rehashed campaign stump speech sound bites, without even the pretense of being a question — “I won’t ask you to comment on this” — was just shameful.

Keeping Rice sitting there from 7 to 8 pm making his listen to him — I bet he wasn’t in that chair for 10 hours — was reprehensible.

She should have slapped him.

Jan 18, 2005 - 4:54 pm 32. DennisThePeasant:

Fresh Air & PeterUK-

For various reasons we don’t need to get into, I’m not going there. All I will say is that our joseph no longer seems to be a part of Martini Republic. This occurred right after the MR/Juan Cole/IraqTheModel dustup. I don’t know why.

It is a tribute to the standards of the Times that they could pick this up and then fuck it up to the extent that they did. Anymore, they’re virtually indistinquishable from Martini Republic, with or without you-know-who.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:10 pm 33. PeterUK:

She should have slapped him.

She will Charlie,She will.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:10 pm 34. too many steves:

I’m a lifelong resident of Massachusetts and just have to write this somewhere: Senator Kerry finally decides to show up for work and the performance today is what we get?!?

Ooooooh, I am so very, very angry right now!

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:11 pm 35. DennisThePeasant:

Tyson and JBR-

According to Mr. Jesse Jackson, Babs Boxer was entitled to, but denied, the opportunity to vote for John Kerry in Ohio. My guess is that with her and Dennis Kucinich in a car in Cleveland with a map and a journey of three miles to the polling station on election night, they ended up in Detroit.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:15 pm 36. DennisThePeasant:

too many steves-

The only thing worse than Kerry not showing up for work is Kerry showing up for work.

He looks different without the beanie.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:17 pm 37. DennisThePeasant:

Oh, yeah! 2004 plus 6 is 2010, not 2008. Two degrees in accounting, a CFP license, and I can’t add.

Since when was that a liability in Silicon Valley? Sounds like you’re CFO material.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:23 pm 38. chuck:

I keep thinking that the Democrats are going to discover what happens if you give a revolution and nobody comes.

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:36 pm 39. Terrye:

I did watch some but unlike the unfortunate Condi Rice I did not have to sit there and listen to a bunch of babbling blowhards all damn day.

Who were the Arab leaders Kerry spoke to? Zarqawi and Osama? I mean after sucking up to the North Viet Namese in Paris and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua why the hell not? Fits the M.O.

And as far as Boxer is concerned she is in no position to lecture anyone about integrity. If I decide to start calling people liars over wmd I am going to go to the source and ask the Clinton administration and Hans Blix if they had some kind of deal worked out for oil vouchers…we say there are weapons and you back us up, you give us some vouchers, we give you some kickbacks and everybody is happy.

I don’t have any proof of course but since when do we need evidence to attack somebody’s honesty? Just Boxer and Kerry and Biden and Dodd….

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:55 pm 40. Rick Ballard:

I have no complaints whatsoever about the Dem Senators performance today. I only wish that W had nominated a Jewish schoolteacher for a post that required additional hearings next week.

I applaud the Dems decision to pursue the tactics that brought them so much in the last election. They need to stick to their guns and just be a little louder.

Viva Party Chair Dean & Commandante Marko$!!!

Jan 18, 2005 - 5:57 pm 41. PJ:

Meanwhile, Taranto calls Kerry’s pathetic speech yesterday at the MLK observance his “I Have a Bellyache” speech!

Priceless.

Jan 18, 2005 - 6:11 pm 42. Charlie (Colorado):

I’m just catching “Senator” Boxer and Condi Rice. Rice is just about to tear Boxer a new one.

I especially liked the part when Boxer spent 15 minutes of her 10 minute limite excoriatying Condi as a liar, a blackguard, and a whore to Bush’s lying ways, and ended up saying “I look forward to working with you.”

Jan 18, 2005 - 6:44 pm 43. Kevin P:

Roger:

Only the Dems could be this stupid. They think that by continuing with the failed Kerry campaign tactic of running the “you lied about WMD” tactic and harping on something that the voters have gotten past long ago they will score bonus points. Who knows, maybe they will be dumb enough to run Kerry again in 2008.

Jan 18, 2005 - 8:09 pm 44. Pat Curley:

Kevin P, they’ll never nominate Kerry again. The last time the Democrats renominated a previous loser was Adlai in 1956, and that was because a) he had been considered unlikely to win against Eisenhower in 1952 and b) nobody really wanted to run against Eisenhower in 1956. Neither of those conditions apply. Kerry was not considered unlikely to win in 2004 by Democrats; to a man/woman they think it should have been a cakewalk. And of course the field will be extraordinarily crowded in 2008 with Hillary, Edwards and Gore almost certainly running.

My money’s on the one wearing the pantsuit. She’ll be able to say that she’s got the surname of the only Democrat to win the presidency since the bicentennial.

Jan 18, 2005 - 11:11 pm 45. Steve J.:

RICE: But it wasn’t just weapons of mass destruction.

MEMO TO RICE:

“We know for a fact there are weapons there.” – Ari Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003

“But make no mistake — as I said earlier — we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about.” -Ari Fleischer Press Briefing 4/10/03

Jan 19, 2005 - 12:50 am 46. Matt Evans:

Stevej

Ask the Kurds if Hussein himself wasn’t a WMD. Its typical of democrats to try to put the blame on the weapon, rather than on the man who uses the weapon.

Jan 19, 2005 - 4:58 am 47. Terrye:

Steve J:

And Bill Clinton not only stated the weapons were there he guranteed us all Saddam would use them. I remember, he said it on national TV with Tom Daschle standing at his side. He also bombed Baghdad in Operation Desert Fox because of Saddam’s failure to comply with mandatory UN resolutions.

When did the question of wmd become a lie? Where are the weapons Blix said time and again were there? Was he lying? If the Democrats had done their job then we might not be going through a lot of this now. It is amazing to me how so many Democrats seem completely oblivious to the facts. Reality is but a detail.

As for Ms. Boxer if she had bothered to actually read the resolution she was given the job of voting on she would know that it was not just about weapons. So it seems to me that the liar on TV yesterday was not Condi Rice but the silly woman badgering her.

BTW I just read an interesting article in the Arab news about the terrorists that have killed 150,000 Algerians since 1992. The Algerians decided they would try demcoracy in spite of the fact that the Islamists said it heretical. The terrorists killed election workers and candidates. They blew up polling places and killed civilians, many of them children. In one particularly horrific attack they killed 800 people in one night by slitting their throats. Amazing what our media does not deem important enough to make an issue of.

Jan 19, 2005 - 4:59 am 48. AisA:

Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. By this definition, John Kerry and the entire leadership of the Democratic party are insane.

That, actually, would be a charitable description, since we do not normally hold the insane morally responsible for their actions, whereas today’s Democrats (most of them) should be thrown out of office and prosecuted for aiding and abetting America’s enemies.

Their obvious LUST for an American defeat of any sort is beyond the pale. I cannot watch it, I can barely contemplate it. How depressing it is to know that millions of Americans are willing to vote for the likes of Kerry, Boxer, Kennedy, et al.

Jan 19, 2005 - 5:31 am 49. Terrye:

AisA:

And they are just as depressed to know you would vote for Bushitler.

insane is right, not to mention stupid.

Jan 19, 2005 - 5:43 am 50. AisA:

Another thing that I find extremely frustrating (this is vent day, right?) is the fact that the Bush administration rarely fights back against this nonsense.

Right now, the LGF website has the complete document that Congress passed authorizing the war against Iraq. It clearly and unequivocally lists numerous reasons for the war other than WMD, reasons including Iraq’s support of al Qaeda! So why isn’t Rice (or someone) slamming Boxer over her insistence that WMD was the only justification? The Congressional documentation proves otherwise.

Jan 19, 2005 - 6:16 am 51. PeterUK:

It was never certain until after the invasion that there were no WMD,the word of Blix who as head of the IAEA had given Saddam Hussein a clean bill of health over nuclear weapons and had been totally wrong, was not enough.

President Mubarak of Egypt had warned that Hussein would used WMD against invading forces.But the principle WMD was the Oil for food booty,with this Hussein could have bought nuclear weapons and delivery systems from Dr Khan and North Korea.

The analogy is of a gangster who pretends he has a gun,if he does something stupid,he is going to get shot.Hussein was given every opportunity to metaphorically get down on the ground and put his hands behind his back,but no ,he had to brazen it out,”Come and get me copper”.All Iraq had to do was comply,but Hussein wouldn’t.

Why? Because somebody had told him that the UN would never allow action against Iraq nad resolution 1441 would have no real consequences.

Jan 19, 2005 - 6:26 am 52. Knucklehead:

The Dems really have no idea how petty, unserious, and Not Ready for the Prime Time Business of Running a Nation they look, do they? Did Kerry really believe he helped himself or his party with his nonsense yesterday or his degradation of MLK day with his I’ve Got a Bellyache speech the day before?

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:01 am 53. Terrye:

Ais:

Where does one begin?

Boxer probably did not take two whole minutes to read the thing. I doubt if she read Resolution 1441 or the Iraqi Liberation Act either. I doubt if she read the human rights reports for that matter. The remark [she made] about Saddam having a weapon in a year actually came from the German intelligence community. I know that, but I doubt she does and I am a middle aged woman from Indiana with a dead end job and Boxer is a US Senator. go figure.

It is like that silly movie of Moore’s. Dems go flocking to see it but if you look at page 329 of the 911 Commission Report it shoots down the Bush let the bin Ladens go meme. The Clinton administration say the pipeline was their idea but fell through before Bush even got to the White House. Just one mass grave had the bodies of 13,000 children in it so I guess the whole happy go lucky Iraqis flying kites propaganda should be offset by the gruesome and very real evidence of mass murder on the part of Saddam’s regime.

But they don’t care, Moore is onto something and the Bushies just want to go to war for money and power. Yep, Bush went through all this for the Patriot Act and Halliburton. That is so stunningly stupid I really don’t know how to discuss it without using the words “You must be out of your mind”.

There is no reasoning with people like Boxer. In fact she is anti reason.

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:12 am 54. erp:

We all know the future Secretary of State is smart, well educated and hard-working, what we didn’t know (at least I never heard about it before) is that she’s a firebrand. The lightning bolts flashing out of her eyes when Barbara, the Boob, called her a liar and worse, were the best thing I’ve seen on TV in a long time.

I’ll be proud to have Ms Rice as the chief spokeswoman for our American way of life and a word to the wise to world leaders, take her on at your peril. You go girl. We’re right here behind you.

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:51 am 55. erp:

We all know the future Secretary of State is smart, well educated and hard-working, what we didn’t know (at least I never heard about it before) is that she’s a firebrand. The lightning bolts flashing out of her eyes when Barbara, the Boob, called her a liar and worse, were the best thing I’ve seen on TV in a long time.

I’ll be proud to have Ms Rice as the chief spokeswoman for our American way of life and a word to the wise to world leaders, take her on at your peril.

You go girl. We’ve got your back.

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:51 am 56. Knucklehead:

Terrye,

They are compulsively reactionary and have no interest in reality. Just in case any moonbat who happens to believe the tripe Boxer, Biden, Kerry et al. dished up yesterday should stop by and have even a mild interest in the documents you mentioned, here are some links:

Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

The Iraq Liberation Act, Statement by The President, October 31, 1998

UNSC Resolution 1441

No point actually being informed, however, when just blathering out mindless memes is so easy.

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:52 am 57. Terrye:

Knucklehead:

Hey you might confuse them with the facts.

Jan 19, 2005 - 8:59 am 58. Knucklehead:

erp,

Dr. Rice is not a woman to be trifled with. The likes of Babs Boxer calling her a liar surely did not sit well with her.

I didn’t have the good fortune of seeing any of yesterday’s fiasco while in the company of my wife and daughters, but I have had that pleasure in the past and just chuckled while hearing comments like, “Damn, she’s GOOD!”, “Whoever that idiot is he really ought to shut up ’cause she’s kicking his ass!”, and “Gee, it all makes sense when she explains it.”

The feminist left must hate her with a passion. Go Condi!

Jan 19, 2005 - 9:00 am 59. Lola:

Well . . . now she’s confirmed. Only two votes against her. Guess who were these naysayers?

Jan 19, 2005 - 9:08 am 60. Knucklehead:

Probably picking a nit here, Lola, but what happened was that the Senate Foriegn Relations Committee recommended confirmation. Confirmation itself is still technically subject to a full Senate vote, IIRC. Boxer and Kerry were, of course, the two nay votes.

Jan 19, 2005 - 9:18 am 61. Lola:

Yeah, so I just found out . . . thanks for the correction.

Jan 19, 2005 - 9:31 am 62. Paul:

This whole no WMD “gotcha” business really infuriates me. On a PRACTICAL NATIONAL SECURITY LEVEL who is stupid enough to believe that, even if Saddam didn’t have stockpiles of WMDs, after the US military slunk back home and sanctions were lifted (which is what the Donks and leftys the world over were pushing for) he wouldn’t have resumed his WMD programs with total impunity?

More importantly pulling that scumbag out of the spider hole led to the voluntary dismantling of Libya’s surprisingly advanced nuclear program AND the discovery of the A.Q. Khan nuclear “supermarket”.

So taking out Saddam needs to be seen in a broader context than “no WMDs were found, therefore OIF was a mistake”. It needs to be juxtaposed against the real world consequences of leaving him in power and the resulting chain of events that would have left three extremely dangerous forces in the ME unchecked.

The fact that the left refuses to face this boneheadedly obvious conclusion for purely partisan reasons, despite the danger to American lives (including their own as well as their families) reaffirms the desperate need to keep them as far away from the levers of power as possible.

Jan 19, 2005 - 10:38 am 63. Kevin P:

Roger:

The StevieJ’s and the Boxers of the world just don’t understand the internet age. They cull out a press secretaries comment and jump up and down on their soapbox and yell”smoking gun, smoking gun”. They are too dense to realize that all the speech’s that the administration made that included non-WMD arguments are a google or hyper link away and the original texts that proove them to be wrong are available for everyone. Boxer gets her 10 second soundbite where she refers to the resolution the congress voted on as being about only WMD and is either too dense or uniformed to know that the resolution is available to anyone and the text of it shows her to be either a moron or a fraud. The days of being able to say anything on TV and not have it fact checked in seconds are over.Ask Dan Rather. The dems will continue to bleat on about WMD’s for the next 4 years and they don’t realize that the majority of the country has moved on and is concerned about other things. Just as they held onto Florida 2000 and thought that was going to get them back into the White House they will ride the WMD tangent to another 2nd place finish in 2008.

Jan 19, 2005 - 10:49 am 64. Ben:

Maybe the decision to make Condi sit for hours on end listening to inane drivel from the likes of Barbara Boxer is intended to be a dry run for negotiating with the ChiComs. Frankly, I don’t know how anyone could stand the job of SecState – I admire Condi for agreeing to take it. Diplomats have a reputation for talking for hours on end without EVER getting to the point. After 10 minutes, I would be ready to jump off a bridge.

Jan 19, 2005 - 11:26 am 65. Knucklehead:

Ben,

Good point! Condi will, after all, have to deal with the likes of Chirac and Schroeder.

Paul,

To paraphrase Dirty Harry, “A Moonbat’s gotta know his limitations!” and thinking things through is apparently beyond the capablilities of most of today’s crop of Dems.

Jan 19, 2005 - 12:05 pm 66. Terrye:

I am related to people like this and for many of them the truth is they just hate the war.

They know soldiers who have been hurt or killed and even though our soldiers may believe in the mission the Middle East is not a place most of them want to be. I pointed out to my brother that they are soldiers in a voluntary military and they have a job. He said he did not think most of them minded doing their duty, but their duty did not include rock throwing teenagers and irate civilians. And there is no doubt that films like F911 and anti war people like Dean are hard on troop morale. War is not any fun and it is worse if a substantial part of the population is telling you that you are either a baby killer or are being played for a sucker. Take your pick.

That is why I blame people like Michael Moore and Barabara Boxer, they are using the natural aversion most people feel for war for self serving reasons and they are dishonest about their message.

Jan 19, 2005 - 1:58 pm 67. Peg C.:

Ben beat me to it, but I want to ditto his comment about having to sit and listen to hours and hours of self-important, pontificating blowhards with more hair than brains (certainly in the case of Kerry and Boxer) being excellent preparation for the job facing Condi. She is full of grace, AND fire and brilliance. I hope the world was watching. They will misunderestimate her at their peril.

Jan 19, 2005 - 2:07 pm

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