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1. Terrye:

Those awful neo cons first the Ukraine and now Iraq.

I heard Dayton, Boxer and Keenedy were trashing Rice today and calling people liars. Considering the fact that this eleciton is a few days away one would think these hacks could put aside partisan politics.

Jan 25, 2005 - 4:21 pm 2. Charlie (Colorado):

Wouldn’t it be pretty to think so?

Jan 25, 2005 - 4:32 pm 3. Anthony (Los Angeles):

“Chickenhawk” is a terrible thing to call someone in this context, implying hypocrisy or a lack of integrity. I hope you gave them what-for.

Jan 25, 2005 - 4:55 pm 4. Tom Holsinger:

A recent Wall Street Journal article mentioned that the AN-225 is so big it carries adult giraffes to zoos.

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:09 pm 5. Robert Crawford:

“one would think these hacks could put aside partisan politics”

Then what would they have left?

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:17 pm 6. socalgal:

I find the “chickenhawk” meme really quite annoying. I recognize the need for military action, but if I don’t personally participate in the action, I’m a hypocrite? OK, let’s go with that. So if you tell other people that, for instance, the tsunami devastated areas need relief, why the hell aren’t you quitting your job and going to Indonesia to rebuild the roads? It’s obviously not good enough to “support” the relief efforts. Hypocrites!

No, it’s not necessary to physically participate in something in order to support it, OR to prove its legitimacy. If we HAD mandatory military service would it change my opinion on the necessity of winning in Iraq? NO. Supporting the US position on Iraq doesn’t mean that I should seek out unecessary activities just to prove my virility. That’s for bullfighters.

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:29 pm 7. PeterUK:

“Hell hath no fury like a politician scorned”

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:39 pm 8. TigerHawk:

The “chickenhawk” charge, defined this way, is ridiculous. Were the internationalist Democrats who wanted to enter World War II before Pearl Harbor “chickenhawks” if they themselves were not military age?

I do think, though, that the Bush Administration should be demanding more sacrifice from the home front. During World War II we held air raid drills in Nebraska, not because there was the slightest chance that Nebraska might be bombed, but because our leaders understood that people needed to feel part of a national effort. Our leaders have failed to involve the civilian population to any extent that requires real sacrifice, and that has weakened support for the war and opened up the shrinking population of hawks (among which I count myself) to the charge of chickenhood.

Says I.

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:40 pm 9. richard mcenroe:

Terrye, Charlie(Colorado) — Down in the Oscar Blogging thread, Caroline asked if the Democrats could put aside style for substance.

The answer is, no, they can’t… because they have no more substance. If they had substance, Dean’s “popularity” would not have vanished in the first primary. If they had substance, Kerry would have been able to sign the form 180 and the Swifties would have been sunk. If they had substance, they wouldn’t have nominated a tort lawyer whose biggest accomplishment has been to get thousands of women’s bellied cut open with steel blades in unnecessary c-Sections. If they had substance, they wouldn’t be blaming Moore’s bullshit and Kerry’s stiffitude for their election loss instead of re-examining their platform and constituency.

Free elections in Afghanistan is substance. The Democrats don’t have that.

Free elections in Ukraine is substance. The Democrats don’t have that.

A fifty-one percent majority is substance. The Democrats damn sure don’t have that.

A party whose elder statesman can say with a straight face, “The Republicans won the majority of the vote but we represent the majority of Americans,” has no subtance.

A party who sends a Klansman to keep a black woman out of the State Department sure as hell has no substance.

But then the Democratic Party has always been about maintaining the party far more than any of its core beliefs or members. The Democrats were the party of slavery and secession. When that didn’t work out, they became the party of segregation. When that didn’t work out, they became the party of the welfare state.

The Democrats are the party that fired on Fort Sumter, then spent the next century whining that Grant and Sherman were mean to them, then the party that elected Wilson on the chant, “he kept us out of war,” then sent 90,000 Americans to their deaths in the trenches, vowing that they wouldn’t “come back til it’s over, over there,” then the party that wouldn’t commit to the war against fascism until it literally blew up in our faces, then the party that got us into Korea, where we’ve been stuck for fifty years, then the party that got us into Vietnam, then the party that demanded we get out as soon as Johnson lost his nerve and quit…

And now…

Now that that hasn’t worked out, they’re at a loss for what to do next. They’ll probably come up with something, because the only skill they’ve ever had was in find something, anything to slap the Democratic Party onto like a remora on a shark. I’m just losing interest in seeing what it will be this time.

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:44 pm 10. Paul:

Considering that the Iraqi election is a few days away and all indications are for a large and enthusiastic turnout, calling Iraq a “disaster” and a “quagmire” seems foolish beyond belief. For anybody except certain elected moonbats of the Democrat Party that is.

If and when Iraq begins to stabilize after the elections how will these cynical, delusional blowhards look?

Seems like they’re bluffing with a losing hand, once again.

Jan 25, 2005 - 5:58 pm 11. BigFire:

One of the oddest thing about the plane you shown is that it might belong to the notorious international air freight shipper (that’s to put it mildly) Viktor Bout. Bout build his post Soviet shipping empire out of precisely this kind of plane that flies everywhere, no questions ask regarding the cargo (which are frequently weapons going into arms embargo zones). Currently he’s wanted for arms smuggling in both EU & United State jurstiction.

It’s been suggested more than once that some of Bout’s planes have been use for shipping large equipments into Iraq, though the evidence is kind of inconclusive.

Jan 25, 2005 - 6:28 pm 12. Katherine:

Richard,

ìA party who sends a Klansman to keep a black woman out of the State Department sure as hell has no substance.î

I have been following this one in total astonishment. I know that the Dems truly believe in their press releases but this level of political tone-deafness is astounding. After the election I was wondering whether a modicum of common sense would prevail among the Democratic leadership. It doesnít seem to be happening; dropping Mikey Moore goes only that far and I am not even convinced that Democrats, as opposed to Hollywood, really dropped him.

I have not lost my interest yet; I admit that I watch with morbid fascination how low the Democrats can go. They never disappoint those days, do they?

One can almost start believing that they all become Zombies controlled by mind-rays by Karl Rove.

Jan 25, 2005 - 7:01 pm 13. Rick Ballard:

Katherine,

I doubt that the Dems are anywhere near the bottom yet. Watch how they will describe the Iraqi elections next week with their M$M propaganda arm leading the hallelujah chorus. The 5-6% that the M$M took from Bush allows them to continue to assert a status that will require at least two more elections to finally disprove. Why shouldn’t the Zombiecrat Senators continue to spout losers rhetoric? They have no opposition within their own fiefs and Frist has not shown the requisite fortitude to quiet them as yet.

The bright side is that if they are silly enough to continue and if they are stupid enough to try and engage in a filibuster then I believe that Frist will find the backbone to force a rule change that allows the Reps to govern per their legitimate majority in the House and Senate.

February will be a very interesting month.

Jan 25, 2005 - 8:29 pm 14. richard mcenroe:

Rick Ballard ó I predict a two-step. The Democrats will at one and the same time condemn the elections as invalid and state that now that the Iraqis have had their election we must leave and cut off all material support. Hey, it worked in ‘72…

Jan 25, 2005 - 8:51 pm 15. richard mcenroe:

“Well, I did send my camera.”

Give me a lens, that’s a stout-hearted lens

that will take photographs by the score!

Start me with ten, from a stout-hearted lens

and Iíll soon give you ten thousand more, Oh!

Photo by photo and stronger and stronger

truth grows as they come from the store!

Then__thereís nothing in the world can spin or say “depends”

When__stouthearted men__can take pictures lens by lens!

With apologies to Oscar Hammerstein II…

Jan 25, 2005 - 10:10 pm 16. Paul:

Seems the Donks actually believe that they haven’t been nasty or aggressive enough (ho ho, that’s rich!)to beat back those evil Republicans. They need to fight fire with fire and get “the message” out to the poor brainwashed red-state bumpkins.

They are clearly insane, and it is a joy to watch them furiously punching holes in the bottom of their boat.

Jan 25, 2005 - 10:11 pm 17. Katherine:

Rick,

Yes, there is no doubt that in the eyes of the Dems/MSM there will be enough election ìirregularitiesî to deem it invalid. Why, if less than 99.96% of the voters turn out that will mean that the Iraqis really want the return of the Saddam, wonít it? After all that was the margin that voted for him last time around, earning the Iraqi voters gushing adoration of the journalists all around the globe. Iraqis really, really loved the guy, didnít they? No wonder they support their own brave “Minutemen” so much.

Are these people born that stupid or does it require special education to get there, you think?

Jan 25, 2005 - 10:21 pm 18. Katherine:

PS. By ìthat stupidî I do not mean Iraqi peopleÖ.

Jan 25, 2005 - 10:24 pm 19. notthisgirl:

I think I’ll turn Kos’ quote back in on itself – “Screw them”.

Roger and you guys here – I firmly believe we will be standing on the right side of history.

Jan 26, 2005 - 6:39 am 20. TigerHawk:

My co-blogger quoted John Podhoretz this morning, to wit:

If white South Africans had refused to participate in that nation’s first-ever free elections back in 1994, nobody on earth would have argued that their lack of participation invalidated the election results.

The argument that a Sunni boycott of next week’s election renders them less legitimate in the eyes of anybody other than authoritarian Sunnis is ridiculous. Was the American presidential election of 1864 legitimate? Of course it was, even though at the time most Democrats thought that it wasn’t….

Jan 26, 2005 - 7:57 am

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