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	<title>Comments on: Kurtz Speaks on Mr. Jordan</title>
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		<title>By: pouncer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/02/07/kurtz-speaks-on-mr-jordan/#comment-37430</link>
		<dc:creator>pouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it was discovered/revealed that Richard Nixon&#039;s comments were recorded on tape -- even though the tape in question were his personal (not gov&#039;t-funded) property installed for his own purposed and never intended for the public record -- the clamor to release the tapes from the media was incessant.  Nixon released a redacted transcript.  The clamor to release the original tapes increased.  Nixon released the tapes, oddly incomplete.  The media clamor increased again, assuming that whatever gaps existed were evidence-by-absence-of-evidence of dastardly doings.



Nixon, in later years, declared when the question first arose he should have publically burned the tapes in a bonfire on the White House lawn.



I expect Eason and his ilk to hold just such a bonfire really soon.



But I&#039;m surprised nobody else is drawing the Eason/Nixon parallels.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it was discovered/revealed that Richard Nixon&#8217;s comments were recorded on tape &#8212; even though the tape in question were his personal (not gov&#8217;t-funded) property installed for his own purposed and never intended for the public record &#8212; the clamor to release the tapes from the media was incessant.  Nixon released a redacted transcript.  The clamor to release the original tapes increased.  Nixon released the tapes, oddly incomplete.  The media clamor increased again, assuming that whatever gaps existed were evidence-by-absence-of-evidence of dastardly doings.</p>
<p>Nixon, in later years, declared when the question first arose he should have publically burned the tapes in a bonfire on the White House lawn.</p>
<p>I expect Eason and his ilk to hold just such a bonfire really soon.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m surprised nobody else is drawing the Eason/Nixon parallels.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, WichitaBoy and Jerry,



One additional item. The US military was absolutely explicit in its statesments prior to the onset of hostilities that they were not undertaking in any way to provide security for non-embedded reporters. Additionally, I am unaware of any claims that any journalist applying for embed status within prescribed time limits was denied.



The journalists and their sponsoring organizations are themselves responsible for the outcome. Kinda gives new meaning to the phrase &quot;terminal stupidity&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, WichitaBoy and Jerry,</p>
<p>One additional item. The US military was absolutely explicit in its statesments prior to the onset of hostilities that they were not undertaking in any way to provide security for non-embedded reporters. Additionally, I am unaware of any claims that any journalist applying for embed status within prescribed time limits was denied.</p>
<p>The journalists and their sponsoring organizations are themselves responsible for the outcome. Kinda gives new meaning to the phrase &#8220;terminal stupidity&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristyK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChristyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the significance of this Kurtz piece appearing in the Style section of the paper?  Does this make it dismissive by the editors of the WaPo as &quot;not really news&quot; in the same way as the Boxer article a week or so ago in the Arts section of the NYTs was dismissed?  Kurtz&#039;s co-writer is usually on the TV beat, isn&#039;t she?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the significance of this Kurtz piece appearing in the Style section of the paper?  Does this make it dismissive by the editors of the WaPo as &#8220;not really news&#8221; in the same way as the Boxer article a week or so ago in the Arts section of the NYTs was dismissed?  Kurtz&#8217;s co-writer is usually on the TV beat, isn&#8217;t she?</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wichita:



You have hit the nail squarely on the head.  The reason that the rules and customs of war ban those in civilian attire from engaging in military acts is to protect innocent lives.  When you cannot distinguish between combatants and non-combatants on the battlefield everybody becomes fair game.



Same thing goes for false surrenders.  When combatants ambush their opponents with false surrenders it places those who actually wish to surrender in jeopardy.



The pro-communist left accused the US of war crimes during the Linebacker II strikes because we bombed a hospital clearly marked with the Red Cross symbol.  When Telford Taylor, the Nuremberg Prosecutor, investigated the incident for the pro-Hanoi faction, he discovered that the NVA had placed AAA batteries on top of the hospital. [Which itself was at the end of a military runway]



Taylor concluded that the NVA was responsible for the attack on the hospital because they violated the conditions of the Red Cross.



So indeed, if journalists have been shot by US forces while they cover an engagement, it is merely an outcome of an environment where unlawful combatants operate.  We can solve this problem by putting the unlawful combatants on notice that they will be treated in the manner of the traditional customs of war.  Unlawful combatants are Hors de Combat, i.e., executed on the battlefield.  Reporters will then understand that mixing in with terrorists and murders will more then likely get them shot instead of a scoop.  Mr. Jordan should blame the unlawful combatants and not the US military.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wichita:</p>
<p>You have hit the nail squarely on the head.  The reason that the rules and customs of war ban those in civilian attire from engaging in military acts is to protect innocent lives.  When you cannot distinguish between combatants and non-combatants on the battlefield everybody becomes fair game.</p>
<p>Same thing goes for false surrenders.  When combatants ambush their opponents with false surrenders it places those who actually wish to surrender in jeopardy.</p>
<p>The pro-communist left accused the US of war crimes during the Linebacker II strikes because we bombed a hospital clearly marked with the Red Cross symbol.  When Telford Taylor, the Nuremberg Prosecutor, investigated the incident for the pro-Hanoi faction, he discovered that the NVA had placed AAA batteries on top of the hospital. [Which itself was at the end of a military runway]</p>
<p>Taylor concluded that the NVA was responsible for the attack on the hospital because they violated the conditions of the Red Cross.</p>
<p>So indeed, if journalists have been shot by US forces while they cover an engagement, it is merely an outcome of an environment where unlawful combatants operate.  We can solve this problem by putting the unlawful combatants on notice that they will be treated in the manner of the traditional customs of war.  Unlawful combatants are Hors de Combat, i.e., executed on the battlefield.  Reporters will then understand that mixing in with terrorists and murders will more then likely get them shot instead of a scoop.  Mr. Jordan should blame the unlawful combatants and not the US military.</p>
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		<title>By: WichitaBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>WichitaBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is indeed one important point to mention which PJ touches on.



The situation in Iraq is one in which the terrorists attacking coalition forces and the Iraqi people are unwilling to have &quot;a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance&quot; and who are not &quot;conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war&quot; (3rd Geneva Convention). How on earth are our soldiers expected to act? People in civilian clothes are shooting at them, blowing them up, and &quot;journalists&quot; are mixed among the terrorists.



I ask this: on whom does the responsibility lie here? Jordan has tried to blame the US military in his weaselly way and those who want to drink this kool-aid are slurping it up. If the terrorists and &quot;journalists&quot; were clearly marked there would be no problem. They have made their decisions. If accidents occur they are culpable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is indeed one important point to mention which PJ touches on.</p>
<p>The situation in Iraq is one in which the terrorists attacking coalition forces and the Iraqi people are unwilling to have &#8220;a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance&#8221; and who are not &#8220;conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war&#8221; (3rd Geneva Convention). How on earth are our soldiers expected to act? People in civilian clothes are shooting at them, blowing them up, and &#8220;journalists&#8221; are mixed among the terrorists.</p>
<p>I ask this: on whom does the responsibility lie here? Jordan has tried to blame the US military in his weaselly way and those who want to drink this kool-aid are slurping it up. If the terrorists and &#8220;journalists&#8221; were clearly marked there would be no problem. They have made their decisions. If accidents occur they are culpable.</p>
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		<title>By: Spear Shaker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan was simply signaling to his CNN target audience, ie those that frequent Arab coffeehouses, European hotels, and SouthAsian resorts, that his company is not an American brand but entirely sympathetic to the U.S.-as-vicious-hegemon world view. . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan was simply signaling to his CNN target audience, ie those that frequent Arab coffeehouses, European hotels, and SouthAsian resorts, that his company is not an American brand but entirely sympathetic to the U.S.-as-vicious-hegemon world view. . .</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the focus on Kurtz?  Because he is Eason Jordan&#039;s Haldeman.  Because there is this huge to-do about blogger transparency and accountablility and Kurtz gets to keep playing Grima Wormtongue to CNN.



And by the way, if the tape won&#039;t be released, which US Senator or Congressman does Eason Jordan want to tell us is lying?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the focus on Kurtz?  Because he is Eason Jordan&#8217;s Haldeman.  Because there is this huge to-do about blogger transparency and accountablility and Kurtz gets to keep playing Grima Wormtongue to CNN.</p>
<p>And by the way, if the tape won&#8217;t be released, which US Senator or Congressman does Eason Jordan want to tell us is lying?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit bemused by the focus on Kurtz. Why would anyone expect him to go outside the narrative template? He &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the M$M personified. It&#039;s his job to circle the wagons and he&#039;s never failed in it yet.



Why not focus on the location of the &quot;fair and balanced&quot; boys? Are they in an &quot;undisclosed location&quot; on this? I thought they were supposedly working with a &#039;new&#039; template. Their silence is as deafening as it is damning. It&#039;s not like Murdoch has to crack his billfold to actually pay any additional reporters.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit bemused by the focus on Kurtz. Why would anyone expect him to go outside the narrative template? He <i>is</i> the M$M personified. It&#8217;s his job to circle the wagons and he&#8217;s never failed in it yet.</p>
<p>Why not focus on the location of the &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; boys? Are they in an &#8220;undisclosed location&#8221; on this? I thought they were supposedly working with a &#8216;new&#8217; template. Their silence is as deafening as it is damning. It&#8217;s not like Murdoch has to crack his billfold to actually pay any additional reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, thibaud, let&#039;s have some sunlight.  Why not?  Are Eason and his Arab partisans afraid of an investigation?  While we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s also investigate the &quot;targeted&quot; journalists, the stringers who happen to always be at the right place at the right time when a bomb goes off or some Iraqis are murdered. Who pays them, what are their past associations, employers?  Open up your books, Al Jazeera.



No doubt some of them indeed have been killed in battle, but perhaps that&#039;s because they are terrorists with cameras, not innocent journalists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, thibaud, let&#8217;s have some sunlight.  Why not?  Are Eason and his Arab partisans afraid of an investigation?  While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s also investigate the &#8220;targeted&#8221; journalists, the stringers who happen to always be at the right place at the right time when a bomb goes off or some Iraqis are murdered. Who pays them, what are their past associations, employers?  Open up your books, Al Jazeera.</p>
<p>No doubt some of them indeed have been killed in battle, but perhaps that&#8217;s because they are terrorists with cameras, not innocent journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what we are seeing is MSM fighting back against the blogs. This really is about power and influence.



What we have is a report first published on the web. It was not picked up by MSM forever reason. There is a firestorm of sorts on this topic on the web. MSM is trying to ignore it. When it feels it must respond, then you get Howard?s article.



Whether MSM likes Eason is not important. Whether he said this is not important. What they want to do is to once again gain control of information. By not following up, MSM is telling all of us, we still have the power to determine what is news and what is not news.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what we are seeing is MSM fighting back against the blogs. This really is about power and influence.</p>
<p>What we have is a report first published on the web. It was not picked up by MSM forever reason. There is a firestorm of sorts on this topic on the web. MSM is trying to ignore it. When it feels it must respond, then you get Howard?s article.</p>
<p>Whether MSM likes Eason is not important. Whether he said this is not important. What they want to do is to once again gain control of information. By not following up, MSM is telling all of us, we still have the power to determine what is news and what is not news.</p>
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