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		<title>By: KCTrio</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/03/16/europeans-wolfie-and-the-wapo/#comment-42094</link>
		<dc:creator>KCTrio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yama-arashi:



Strauss, yes, of course he&#039;d calm the nerves. I suppose one should listen to Wagner when reading Hegel, though.  And Strauss to forget him.



But seeing as my moniker is a reference to the (Nat) King Cole Trio, I think I&#039;ll listen to Sweet Lorraine, Orange Colored Sky, Embraceable You, Ooh Kickeroonie and Frim Fram Sauce.



The only song Nat did that would fit Hegel is Lush Life.



After being depressed by that sad song, I&#039;ll listen to Nat&#039;s smooth baritone.  I&#039;d probably make the playlist Stardust, A Blossom Fell, Lazy Hazy Crazy Days of Summer, Open up the Dog House (with Dean Martin) and The Ballad of Cat Ballou.  If that doesn&#039;t cheer me up, nothing will.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yama-arashi:</p>
<p>Strauss, yes, of course he&#8217;d calm the nerves. I suppose one should listen to Wagner when reading Hegel, though.  And Strauss to forget him.</p>
<p>But seeing as my moniker is a reference to the (Nat) King Cole Trio, I think I&#8217;ll listen to Sweet Lorraine, Orange Colored Sky, Embraceable You, Ooh Kickeroonie and Frim Fram Sauce.</p>
<p>The only song Nat did that would fit Hegel is Lush Life.</p>
<p>After being depressed by that sad song, I&#8217;ll listen to Nat&#8217;s smooth baritone.  I&#8217;d probably make the playlist Stardust, A Blossom Fell, Lazy Hazy Crazy Days of Summer, Open up the Dog House (with Dean Martin) and The Ballad of Cat Ballou.  If that doesn&#8217;t cheer me up, nothing will.</p>
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		<title>By: KCTrio</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/03/16/europeans-wolfie-and-the-wapo/#comment-42093</link>
		<dc:creator>KCTrio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yama-arashi:



I won&#039;t piss on my copy of Phenomenology.  It&#039;s sort of a badge of honor.  I even wrote a thesis on Hegel and Christianity (a subject about which has been studied pretty thororughly).



But re-read?  No thanks.  After the martini does its magic, there&#039;s always my back yard at night (you know how we conservative males like to mark our territory).  I won&#039;t piss on Hegel.  I&#039;ll reserve Mao&#039;s little red book and Mein Kampf for that exercise.  But Hegel&#039;s too important.  A maniac, but important.  One must read German materialists before one rejects them, you know.



I&#039;ll stick with Santayana and William James.  They&#039;re just my bag, baby.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yama-arashi:</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t piss on my copy of Phenomenology.  It&#8217;s sort of a badge of honor.  I even wrote a thesis on Hegel and Christianity (a subject about which has been studied pretty thororughly).</p>
<p>But re-read?  No thanks.  After the martini does its magic, there&#8217;s always my back yard at night (you know how we conservative males like to mark our territory).  I won&#8217;t piss on Hegel.  I&#8217;ll reserve Mao&#8217;s little red book and Mein Kampf for that exercise.  But Hegel&#8217;s too important.  A maniac, but important.  One must read German materialists before one rejects them, you know.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick with Santayana and William James.  They&#8217;re just my bag, baby.</p>
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		<title>By: yama-arashi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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(And no pissing on Rousseau, Hegel, or Kojeve! Read, and re-read. Enjoy.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And no pissing on Rousseau, Hegel, or Kojeve! Read, and re-read. Enjoy.)</p>
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		<title>By: yama-arashi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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Strauss?



And yes, drinks are a good idea.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strauss?</p>
<p>And yes, drinks are a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: KCTrio</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCTrio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Ballard:



Couldn&#039;t agree more.  But then, if you follow the historical thread from Hegel to Marx, then you eventually get to Lenin, who would have gotten you to read Phenomenology of Spirit at gunpoint.



Kind of funny how your little figure of speach is so accurate.  Deadly accurate.



Now that I&#039;m thoroughly disgusted, having thought about Hegel again, and now Lenin, I think I&#039;ll have that martini, and throw in a Xanax.  Just thinking about these monsters makes me want to climb the walls.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ballard:</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more.  But then, if you follow the historical thread from Hegel to Marx, then you eventually get to Lenin, who would have gotten you to read Phenomenology of Spirit at gunpoint.</p>
<p>Kind of funny how your little figure of speach is so accurate.  Deadly accurate.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m thoroughly disgusted, having thought about Hegel again, and now Lenin, I think I&#8217;ll have that martini, and throw in a Xanax.  Just thinking about these monsters makes me want to climb the walls.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ballard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord, Yama, I picked up Strauss&#039; &#039;On Tyranny&#039; last night to reread his exchange with Kojeve (and the spitting on Hegel in this editions preface) and run into your comment this evening.



It will be very interesting to see Wolfowitz apply himself in his new position. I appreciate your insight regarding his background (thanks to Thibaud, too), I had forgotten about his extensive experience in the far east.



KCTrio - I don&#039;t think I could read Phenomenology, even at gunpoint. Hegel to Heidigger to Hitler on one hand and Hegel to Marx on the other. He should be buried on top of Rousseau and under a public urinal.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord, Yama, I picked up Strauss&#8217; &#8216;On Tyranny&#8217; last night to reread his exchange with Kojeve (and the spitting on Hegel in this editions preface) and run into your comment this evening.</p>
<p>It will be very interesting to see Wolfowitz apply himself in his new position. I appreciate your insight regarding his background (thanks to Thibaud, too), I had forgotten about his extensive experience in the far east.</p>
<p>KCTrio &#8211; I don&#8217;t think I could read Phenomenology, even at gunpoint. Hegel to Heidigger to Hitler on one hand and Hegel to Marx on the other. He should be buried on top of Rousseau and under a public urinal.</p>
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		<title>By: KCTrio</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCTrio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yama-Arashi:



Are the capital letters OK?



Thank you for setting it straight (perhaps not here, but not often enough said) of the connection between Hegel and Marx.



If anyone has ever had to slog their way through Phenomenology of Spirit, they deserve a Master&#039;s degree.



I had the privalege of having taken an independent study class with one of the world&#039;s greatest minds, Alistair MacIntyre, the purpose of which was to read that digusting book.



Hegel may be considered the grandfather of German materialism, and perhaps one of the top five philosphers of all time, but the man is a monster.



Marx is not only a shadow of Hegel, the man should have been sued for plagiarism.  If you simply add economic dialectic history to Hegelian dialectic of history, and weaken the logical armor of Hegel, you have Marx.  The differnce being that Hegel was an intellectual giant, and Marx was a mere sappling by comparison.



For those that have had the great fortune of not having to read Hegel, let&#039;s just put it this way:  One numbered section (about a half page or full page) takes about 30 minutes to digest. No beauty, not subtly of words, no grace of style; just rigorous logic.  And that&#039;s if you&#039;ve got the ability to follow his logic with good retention.  I&#039;m no genius, but I&#039;m not too bad with the topic (I majored in abstract mathematics and philosphy in college), and the rigor of Hegel is pretty horrific.  Just thinking about it makes me want to have a martini.



MacIntyre&#039;s life is a beautiful example of the evolving mind.  First off, just go to Amazon.com and look up his name.  There you will find his legacy (and that&#039;s just what&#039;s in print).  His triumph, After Virtue, is still being studied and probed for understanding by modern philosphers and political scientists.



MacIntyre started his intellectual life as a comitted Marxist (having been born a Catholic).  He became a devout atheist, and was pretty much in line with his colleagues.  Then, he dumped aside the trappings of that murderous, inhumane philoshpy and started grappling with God again.  He came full circle, and became a lover of Democracy, the spirit of the individual, and a full-blown Catholic.  Now he&#039;s at Notre Dame, where his heart belongs.  It&#039;s been said (Reagan used to use this line) that followers of Marx are those that have been taught his ideas; rejectors of Marx are those that understand his ideas).



We need more men and women like MacIntyre.  He&#039;s a great man, thinker and teacher.  I can personally vouch for the latter observation, because I spent many hours with him, one on one.



One more thing; if you go to the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, about every third entry is written by A. MacIntyre.  Pretty astounding.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yama-Arashi:</p>
<p>Are the capital letters OK?</p>
<p>Thank you for setting it straight (perhaps not here, but not often enough said) of the connection between Hegel and Marx.</p>
<p>If anyone has ever had to slog their way through Phenomenology of Spirit, they deserve a Master&#8217;s degree.</p>
<p>I had the privalege of having taken an independent study class with one of the world&#8217;s greatest minds, Alistair MacIntyre, the purpose of which was to read that digusting book.</p>
<p>Hegel may be considered the grandfather of German materialism, and perhaps one of the top five philosphers of all time, but the man is a monster.</p>
<p>Marx is not only a shadow of Hegel, the man should have been sued for plagiarism.  If you simply add economic dialectic history to Hegelian dialectic of history, and weaken the logical armor of Hegel, you have Marx.  The differnce being that Hegel was an intellectual giant, and Marx was a mere sappling by comparison.</p>
<p>For those that have had the great fortune of not having to read Hegel, let&#8217;s just put it this way:  One numbered section (about a half page or full page) takes about 30 minutes to digest. No beauty, not subtly of words, no grace of style; just rigorous logic.  And that&#8217;s if you&#8217;ve got the ability to follow his logic with good retention.  I&#8217;m no genius, but I&#8217;m not too bad with the topic (I majored in abstract mathematics and philosphy in college), and the rigor of Hegel is pretty horrific.  Just thinking about it makes me want to have a martini.</p>
<p>MacIntyre&#8217;s life is a beautiful example of the evolving mind.  First off, just go to Amazon.com and look up his name.  There you will find his legacy (and that&#8217;s just what&#8217;s in print).  His triumph, After Virtue, is still being studied and probed for understanding by modern philosphers and political scientists.</p>
<p>MacIntyre started his intellectual life as a comitted Marxist (having been born a Catholic).  He became a devout atheist, and was pretty much in line with his colleagues.  Then, he dumped aside the trappings of that murderous, inhumane philoshpy and started grappling with God again.  He came full circle, and became a lover of Democracy, the spirit of the individual, and a full-blown Catholic.  Now he&#8217;s at Notre Dame, where his heart belongs.  It&#8217;s been said (Reagan used to use this line) that followers of Marx are those that have been taught his ideas; rejectors of Marx are those that understand his ideas).</p>
<p>We need more men and women like MacIntyre.  He&#8217;s a great man, thinker and teacher.  I can personally vouch for the latter observation, because I spent many hours with him, one on one.</p>
<p>One more thing; if you go to the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, about every third entry is written by A. MacIntyre.  Pretty astounding.</p>
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		<title>By: yama-arashi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of his schooling Wolfowitz knows full well what France and Germany have been up to since, well, the French Revolution (I&#039;m with Burke!), and since the Battle of Jena produced the spark that started the end of history crap (Hegel and his poor, poor student Marx), WW1, and 2 and the awful post-war intellectuals who swept French/German responsibility under the rug in the Eichmann is but a cog in a wheel or the blame America for everything--that mad, rabid dog- game, and he understands very well the importance of Kojeve in helping to create the EU, and France&#039;s post-war &quot;latin empire&quot; strategy, and the relationshiop between the tyrannies of the world and Chirac&#039;s Swiss banks, etc.....Because of his schooling he knows old Europe better than it knows itself. He also has spent his career outside of the normal channels someone like Wolfowitz would usually find himself in. See Thibaud. And cultivating relations with those outside the corriders of Old Europe. See Thibaud again. This is a long, long battle he has been fighting. Or so it seems to me. The World Bank is the perfect place for him. The MSM will hark about old Europe&#039;s doubts, but they miss, as usual, the big picture. Old Europe, the world has just passed you by. The Middle East&#039;s march to freedom will be an important part of Bush&#039;s legacy, but not the most important part. In my humble opinion. The most important part will be the restructuring of places like the U.N. (Bolton) and the World Bank (Wolfowitz) so to represent the actual balance of power in the world, and to support democracy and (real) human rights. And the building of new bilateral relations with Japan and India, amongst other places,  that form the lynchpin of a new global order.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of his schooling Wolfowitz knows full well what France and Germany have been up to since, well, the French Revolution (I&#8217;m with Burke!), and since the Battle of Jena produced the spark that started the end of history crap (Hegel and his poor, poor student Marx), WW1, and 2 and the awful post-war intellectuals who swept French/German responsibility under the rug in the Eichmann is but a cog in a wheel or the blame America for everything&#8211;that mad, rabid dog- game, and he understands very well the importance of Kojeve in helping to create the EU, and France&#8217;s post-war &#8220;latin empire&#8221; strategy, and the relationshiop between the tyrannies of the world and Chirac&#8217;s Swiss banks, etc&#8230;..Because of his schooling he knows old Europe better than it knows itself. He also has spent his career outside of the normal channels someone like Wolfowitz would usually find himself in. See Thibaud. And cultivating relations with those outside the corriders of Old Europe. See Thibaud again. This is a long, long battle he has been fighting. Or so it seems to me. The World Bank is the perfect place for him. The MSM will hark about old Europe&#8217;s doubts, but they miss, as usual, the big picture. Old Europe, the world has just passed you by. The Middle East&#8217;s march to freedom will be an important part of Bush&#8217;s legacy, but not the most important part. In my humble opinion. The most important part will be the restructuring of places like the U.N. (Bolton) and the World Bank (Wolfowitz) so to represent the actual balance of power in the world, and to support democracy and (real) human rights. And the building of new bilateral relations with Japan and India, amongst other places,  that form the lynchpin of a new global order.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What yama-arashi said. Remember, nearly all of Wolfowitz&#039;s overseas experience has been in Southeast Asia. And it wasn&#039;t a &quot;stint&quot;, as the MSM spinners would have it: Wolfowitz has spent the better part of a decade in SE Asia.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What yama-arashi said. Remember, nearly all of Wolfowitz&#8217;s overseas experience has been in Southeast Asia. And it wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;stint&#8221;, as the MSM spinners would have it: Wolfowitz has spent the better part of a decade in SE Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: yama-arashi</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting how America&#039;s MSM have eyes only for Europe. And Europe means France/Germany. One quarter of the World Bank&#039;s funds come from the U.S. and Japan. Compared to Germany and France, if my memory serves me right, Japan spends more money than those two countries combined. Japan is most likely firmly in the Wolfowitz camp. So are many other countries who want to see aid dispersed effectively and aren&#039;t part of the axis of kleptocracy. What the Wolfowitz nomination also does is further switch the center of power towards places like India and Japan and away from Old Europe and its world wide network of activists. Something that can&#039;t happen soon enough.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting how America&#8217;s MSM have eyes only for Europe. And Europe means France/Germany. One quarter of the World Bank&#8217;s funds come from the U.S. and Japan. Compared to Germany and France, if my memory serves me right, Japan spends more money than those two countries combined. Japan is most likely firmly in the Wolfowitz camp. So are many other countries who want to see aid dispersed effectively and aren&#8217;t part of the axis of kleptocracy. What the Wolfowitz nomination also does is further switch the center of power towards places like India and Japan and away from Old Europe and its world wide network of activists. Something that can&#8217;t happen soon enough.</p>
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