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		<title>By: Achillea</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/04/time-to-buy-a-hybrid/#comment-44126</link>
		<dc:creator>Achillea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,



Can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but I read it.  Some questions, since you seem knowledgeable (I&#039;ve been researching, but blegging works, too).  How much does diesel fuel cost, and how available is it, in comparison with unleaded?  Is it more or less polluting?  Also, how much more (or less) expensive are diesel cars vs. their unleaded-fuel counterparts?



I ask because I&#039;ve been tilting strongly toward getting a hybrid car, for economic, environmental, and thumb-in-the-Wahabbi-eye reasons.  But I&#039;m an average person with average practical constraints.  I can&#039;t afford a $50K car, even $30K is going to strain my finances to their utmost, and I don&#039;t think I&#039;m alone in that.  Plus, as appealing as I might find being ready for futuristic supergreen diesel fuels, I foresee needing gas a little sooner than that, and driving all over creation to find a specialized fuel source is a non-starter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but I read it.  Some questions, since you seem knowledgeable (I&#8217;ve been researching, but blegging works, too).  How much does diesel fuel cost, and how available is it, in comparison with unleaded?  Is it more or less polluting?  Also, how much more (or less) expensive are diesel cars vs. their unleaded-fuel counterparts?</p>
<p>I ask because I&#8217;ve been tilting strongly toward getting a hybrid car, for economic, environmental, and thumb-in-the-Wahabbi-eye reasons.  But I&#8217;m an average person with average practical constraints.  I can&#8217;t afford a $50K car, even $30K is going to strain my finances to their utmost, and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m alone in that.  Plus, as appealing as I might find being ready for futuristic supergreen diesel fuels, I foresee needing gas a little sooner than that, and driving all over creation to find a specialized fuel source is a non-starter.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been away at &quot;TOPOFF 3&quot; See Fox and CNN stories from April 4/5 so I know this is not likely to be read by anybody.  But just in case.



Diesel powered cars remain the most fuel efficient vehicles on the road.  The Jetta TDI gets about the same mileage as Prius or Civic without the need to learn how manage your power like a diesel submarine.  It&#039;s a bigger car and will last a lot longer then current generation of hybrids.  If you want an larger car then the Passat TDI is the best buy.  It gets only slightly less mileage then the Jetta.  For those without a budget constraint Mercedes has begun importing a new E300 Turbo Diesel, which will get on the order of 40mph with a lot of acceleration.  It costs about $50K


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been away at &#8220;TOPOFF 3&#8243; See Fox and CNN stories from April 4/5 so I know this is not likely to be read by anybody.  But just in case.</p>
<p>Diesel powered cars remain the most fuel efficient vehicles on the road.  The Jetta TDI gets about the same mileage as Prius or Civic without the need to learn how manage your power like a diesel submarine.  It&#8217;s a bigger car and will last a lot longer then current generation of hybrids.  If you want an larger car then the Passat TDI is the best buy.  It gets only slightly less mileage then the Jetta.  For those without a budget constraint Mercedes has begun importing a new E300 Turbo Diesel, which will get on the order of 40mph with a lot of acceleration.  It costs about $50K</p>
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		<title>By: photoncourier.blogspot.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>photoncourier.blogspot.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oil industry reluctance to expand refinery capacity&quot;...it takes something like 800 permits to get a new oil refinery opened. Somebody on Kudlow the other day mentioned an investor group that has been trying to build a new refinery for 10 years, but hasn&#039;t yet been able to break ground.



What is going to happen, on the current track, is that more and more refining will be done in places other than the US, and that refined product (gasoline, jet fuel, etc) will be transported by long-distance tanker (whereas it is now mainly crude that is so transported.)



I doubt that this is a good thing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oil industry reluctance to expand refinery capacity&#8221;&#8230;it takes something like 800 permits to get a new oil refinery opened. Somebody on Kudlow the other day mentioned an investor group that has been trying to build a new refinery for 10 years, but hasn&#8217;t yet been able to break ground.</p>
<p>What is going to happen, on the current track, is that more and more refining will be done in places other than the US, and that refined product (gasoline, jet fuel, etc) will be transported by long-distance tanker (whereas it is now mainly crude that is so transported.)</p>
<p>I doubt that this is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: OJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>OJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the oil industries reluctance to expand refinery capacity, keeping gasoline prices artificially inflated, automakers are resisting emission reductions in California and elsewhere by suing California.



The issue is discussed here:

http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=301



Large industry is guiding federal policy that favors their bottom line. As the consumer, it is time we start voting with our dollars.



www.RightViews.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the oil industries reluctance to expand refinery capacity, keeping gasoline prices artificially inflated, automakers are resisting emission reductions in California and elsewhere by suing California.</p>
<p>The issue is discussed here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=301" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=301</a></p>
<p>Large industry is guiding federal policy that favors their bottom line. As the consumer, it is time we start voting with our dollars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.RightViews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.RightViews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: WichitaBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>WichitaBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, Thanks for the articles.



John Moore, it&#039;s good to see you back here. I for one like your long posts.



Richard, I hope you enjoyed.



For future reference, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/NomeansNo.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/AnewManhattanProject.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/Energyscalingproblems.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/09/Moreonenergydependence.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;of&lt;/a&gt; Steven den Beste&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/09/Energydependence.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;articles&lt;/a&gt; about energy. Well worth reading and bookmarking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, Thanks for the articles.</p>
<p>John Moore, it&#8217;s good to see you back here. I for one like your long posts.</p>
<p>Richard, I hope you enjoyed.</p>
<p>For future reference, <a href="http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/NomeansNo.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a> <a href="http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/AnewManhattanProject.shtml" rel="nofollow">are</a> <a href="http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2004/06/Energyscalingproblems.shtml" rel="nofollow">some</a> <a href="http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/09/Moreonenergydependence.shtml" rel="nofollow">of</a> Steven den Beste&#8217;s <a href="http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/09/Energydependence.shtml" rel="nofollow">articles</a> about energy. Well worth reading and bookmarking.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Mader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Mader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3-cylinder engine is at least as energy efficient as any hybrid I&#039;ve heard of, and they were only about $6000 for a base model Geo Metro in 1992.

Inexplicably, they were discontinued.  Chevy should reconsider marketing the Metro at a more profitable price.  They would still be a fraction of the cost of a hybrid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3-cylinder engine is at least as energy efficient as any hybrid I&#8217;ve heard of, and they were only about $6000 for a base model Geo Metro in 1992.</p>
<p>Inexplicably, they were discontinued.  Chevy should reconsider marketing the Metro at a more profitable price.  They would still be a fraction of the cost of a hybrid.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I swear I&#039;ve read that there are now nuclear reactors that actually recycle the nuclear waste as fuel, so the long time storage of nuclear waste isn&#039;t an issue.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



Lindenen,



You&#039;re probably thinking of an &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt;ntegral &lt;b&gt;F&lt;/b&gt;ast &lt;b&gt;R&lt;/b&gt;eactor. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002389.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here &lt;/a&gt; is a brief piece with a very good comment section on pebble beds and IFR&#039;s. The safety issue regarding spent fuel is political in nature and needs to be adequately addressed - running it through an IFR to reduce the volume and consume the plutonium is better than storage. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA378.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here &lt;/a&gt;is a fact sheet in question/response form concerning IFR&#039;s.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I swear I&#8217;ve read that there are now nuclear reactors that actually recycle the nuclear waste as fuel, so the long time storage of nuclear waste isn&#8217;t an issue.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Lindenen,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably thinking of an <b>I</b>ntegral <b>F</b>ast <b>R</b>eactor. <a href="http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002389.html" rel="nofollow">Here </a> is a brief piece with a very good comment section on pebble beds and IFR&#8217;s. The safety issue regarding spent fuel is political in nature and needs to be adequately addressed &#8211; running it through an IFR to reduce the volume and consume the plutonium is better than storage. <a href="http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA378.html" rel="nofollow">Here </a>is a fact sheet in question/response form concerning IFR&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: drewtam</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewtam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that centralised power production is very different from the autmotive fuel production.



In the US most of our power production comes from 3 sourcees in the following order 1 Coal 2 Natural Gas (of North Amer origin) 3 Nuclear. Any oil fired plant are usually peaker plants and do not generally make up a signifiigant portion of our energy source.



What this implies then, is that switching to nuclear will NOT reduce oil usage in this country. With the following caveat; it will reduce oil consumption if we begin to switch to some hydrogen or ethanol type fuel. But again economics has not dictated such a move yet.



I am in favor of nuclear power as a long term energy strategy, but for other resaons than fuel/oil needs.



Along those lines, from the evidence and numbers I&#039;ve seen I expect an eventual conversion to some sort of hydrogen or equivelent synthesised fuel, realising that such a system is actually an energy storgae medium from the power plant producers.



Here is a very good website that has very good arguments with explanations.

http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/energy.html



I dont agree with evrything he says, except my free market heart that says let the market decide price, usage, and consumption not politicians.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that centralised power production is very different from the autmotive fuel production.</p>
<p>In the US most of our power production comes from 3 sourcees in the following order 1 Coal 2 Natural Gas (of North Amer origin) 3 Nuclear. Any oil fired plant are usually peaker plants and do not generally make up a signifiigant portion of our energy source.</p>
<p>What this implies then, is that switching to nuclear will NOT reduce oil usage in this country. With the following caveat; it will reduce oil consumption if we begin to switch to some hydrogen or ethanol type fuel. But again economics has not dictated such a move yet.</p>
<p>I am in favor of nuclear power as a long term energy strategy, but for other resaons than fuel/oil needs.</p>
<p>Along those lines, from the evidence and numbers I&#8217;ve seen I expect an eventual conversion to some sort of hydrogen or equivelent synthesised fuel, realising that such a system is actually an energy storgae medium from the power plant producers.</p>
<p>Here is a very good website that has very good arguments with explanations.</p>
<p><a href="http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/energy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/energy.html</a></p>
<p>I dont agree with evrything he says, except my free market heart that says let the market decide price, usage, and consumption not politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: greeneyeshade</title>
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		<dc:creator>greeneyeshade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teresa says you won&#039;t hear in the MSM about the demand in India and China, and from summer travelers, pushing up the price of oil. I work in an MSM outlet and I see references to these facts all the time _ when we run a story on the price of gasoline going up, for instance. that&#039;s probably one reason there&#039;s so little public anger about it: people know that it&#039;s not the result of any sinister plot.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa says you won&#8217;t hear in the MSM about the demand in India and China, and from summer travelers, pushing up the price of oil. I work in an MSM outlet and I see references to these facts all the time _ when we run a story on the price of gasoline going up, for instance. that&#8217;s probably one reason there&#8217;s so little public anger about it: people know that it&#8217;s not the result of any sinister plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott free,



Steven Den Beste wrote about all those ìalternativesî.  He very convincingly argued that they do not amount to anything in practical terms.  You can dig his archives for the detailed analysis.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott free,</p>
<p>Steven Den Beste wrote about all those ìalternativesî.  He very convincingly argued that they do not amount to anything in practical terms.  You can dig his archives for the detailed analysis.</p>
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