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		<title>By: Luther McLeod</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/18/bigotry-in-the-democrats-house/#comment-54295</link>
		<dc:creator>Luther McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhetorical question for markus I know, Buddy. But the time is here for people to own up to who they are. For me, I make an occasional drunken post, I may on occasion also make a cogent post. I am what I am. Short story, stand behind your words, even if they are just digital/pixels. They still count. In other words, as Rick postulates, put your name on it. it does make a difference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhetorical question for markus I know, Buddy. But the time is here for people to own up to who they are. For me, I make an occasional drunken post, I may on occasion also make a cogent post. I am what I am. Short story, stand behind your words, even if they are just digital/pixels. They still count. In other words, as Rick postulates, put your name on it. it does make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Markus, you added to the record yourself just above. Open forum. Why do you have to find someone to blame, someone victimizing you? Just post your words. Just like you did. You&#039;re on record. Simple.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Markus, you added to the record yourself just above. Open forum. Why do you have to find someone to blame, someone victimizing you? Just post your words. Just like you did. You&#8217;re on record. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Luther McLeod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marcus



Then you could have politely made a comment informing Roger that he may have been in error, and that there was more ,up to date, information to be offered. In addition, it would be interesting to know how you read Roger&#039;s mind and determined that he purposely declined (which assumes of course, that he knew)to offer the additional information/update.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcus</p>
<p>Then you could have politely made a comment informing Roger that he may have been in error, and that there was more ,up to date, information to be offered. In addition, it would be interesting to know how you read Roger&#8217;s mind and determined that he purposely declined (which assumes of course, that he knew)to offer the additional information/update.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I acknowledge I should have checked for a statement by Frank before posting, but I must say, reading it over, it is pretty thin gruel.  I also think those involved in this kangaroo court of reactionaries (that includes Frank) bear some responsibility for what went on.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I acknowledge I should have checked for a statement by Frank before posting, but I must say, reading it over, it is pretty thin gruel.  I also think those involved in this kangaroo court of reactionaries (that includes Frank) bear some responsibility for what went on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>markus,



Roger Simon is a writer, not a journalist.  He doesn&#039;t have paid fact-checkers.  He has no duty to make last-minute fact checks.



How is your statement here not evidence that you are acting out the political bias you so readily assume in others?



Check out Shrink Wrapped&#039;s post about narcissism above.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markus,</p>
<p>Roger Simon is a writer, not a journalist.  He doesn&#8217;t have paid fact-checkers.  He has no duty to make last-minute fact checks.</p>
<p>How is your statement here not evidence that you are acting out the political bias you so readily assume in others?</p>
<p>Check out Shrink Wrapped&#8217;s post about narcissism above.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/18/bigotry-in-the-democrats-house/#comment-54290</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,



That&#039;s half of what I meant.  Flenser got the other half.



It&#039;s not merely that American Jews are in denial about the reality of anti-Semitism, but that most of them no longer consider themselves to be Jewish.  That&#039;s why I said, &quot;Assimilation has kicked in big-time.&quot;



Since they are no Jewish (in their own minds), how could anti-Semitism be about them?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s half of what I meant.  Flenser got the other half.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not merely that American Jews are in denial about the reality of anti-Semitism, but that most of them no longer consider themselves to be Jewish.  That&#8217;s why I said, &#8220;Assimilation has kicked in big-time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since they are no Jewish (in their own minds), how could anti-Semitism be about them?</p>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bostonian -- yes, I probably could have made my point more effectively without the &quot;d&quot; word.



That said, your use of the word &quot;update&quot; is also misplaced.  I&#039;m not providing any new information.  I&#039;m providing information that was prominently displayed on Barney Frank&#039;s home page 23 hours before Roger&#039;s comment that Frank should &quot;be ashamed of himself&quot;.  Roger could have easily accessed this information, but declined to do so, most likely because it would have further watered down the outrage factor of this post -- not only does the chair of the DNC quickly speak out against antisemitic slurs, but an actual member of Congress participating in the event in question does so as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bostonian &#8212; yes, I probably could have made my point more effectively without the &#8220;d&#8221; word.</p>
<p>That said, your use of the word &#8220;update&#8221; is also misplaced.  I&#8217;m not providing any new information.  I&#8217;m providing information that was prominently displayed on Barney Frank&#8217;s home page 23 hours before Roger&#8217;s comment that Frank should &#8220;be ashamed of himself&#8221;.  Roger could have easily accessed this information, but declined to do so, most likely because it would have further watered down the outrage factor of this post &#8212; not only does the chair of the DNC quickly speak out against antisemitic slurs, but an actual member of Congress participating in the event in question does so as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Markus, for the update.



It&#039;s good to know Barney Frank is not part of this nonsense.



I think your use of the word &quot;diatribe&quot; is misplaced. The Democrats as a whole deserve every bit of this criticism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Markus, for the update.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to know Barney Frank is not part of this nonsense.</p>
<p>I think your use of the word &#8220;diatribe&#8221; is misplaced. The Democrats as a whole deserve every bit of this criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, how about an update and an acknowledgement that Barney Frank sent out the following press release, and, moreover, posted it on his website on Friday morning, 8:24 AM Pacific Time TWENTY THREE HOURS AND FORTY EIGHT MINUTES BEFORE YOU POSTED YOUR DIATRIBE.



from www.house.gov/frank/

posted 06/17/05 11:24 AM EST



FRANK REPUDIATES ANTI-ISRAEL BIAS



Congressman Barney Frank today expressed strong disagreement and disappointment with remarks made at an informal Congressional hearing on Thursday which sought to blame the State of Israel for the Bush policy on Iraq. Congressman Frank attended part of the hearing, which was frequently interrupted by a long series of votes that were being conducted on the floor of the House. He was not present when any references to Israel were made.



ìThe notion that United States foreign policy is somehow being manipulated by Israel is not only gravely mistaken, it is redolent of the sort of conspiracy theories imputing hidden powers to the Jews that have plagued the world for far too long. Congressman Moranís question which gave prominence to the role of Israel as one of the possible major factors behind the invasion, and the answer by witness Raymond McGovern which not only blamed Israel for the war in substantial part, but objected even to Congressman Moranís citing Israel as an American ally, are both refuted by the evidence discussed at the hearing itself. It should be emphasized that the hearing was called in major part to discuss the Downing Street minutes that were released, and nothing in those minutes in any way supports the allegation that this was all an Israeli plot.



ìI believe now and believed at the time that the Bush Administration came to power wanting to invade Iraq, and used the September 11th tragedy as a political justification for doing so, not because of some secret deal with Israel, but because of the foreign policy world view of those in charge of Bush Administration national security ñ who of course did not include the nominal Secretary of State, Colin Powell. In fact, part of the political bargaining between the Bush and Blair administrations that resulted in total British support for this unwise war was the endorsement by President Bush for the first time in his administration of a serious effort to bring about a peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, which was not entirely to Israelís liking. The latest step in the evolution of that policy was a decision by President Bush ñ over the objections of many in Congress, which I did not share ñ to provide direct aid to the Palestinian Authority. I believe that this was a constructive measure by President Bush in pursuit of an overall peace, and it hardly fits the notion that Israel is the master string-puller of the United States government.



ìFinally, the handouts distributed by some who attended a television version of the hearing making scurrilous, wholly inaccurate accusations of Israeli complicity in the September 11th attack are obviously contemptible, and would ordinarily be beneath notice, except for the fact that some newspaper accounts have cited them, and that calls for those of us who oppose this war and continue to oppose it to be clear in our repudiation of such vicious defamation.&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, how about an update and an acknowledgement that Barney Frank sent out the following press release, and, moreover, posted it on his website on Friday morning, 8:24 AM Pacific Time TWENTY THREE HOURS AND FORTY EIGHT MINUTES BEFORE YOU POSTED YOUR DIATRIBE.</p>
<p>from <a href="http://www.house.gov/frank/" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/frank/</a></p>
<p>posted 06/17/05 11:24 AM EST</p>
<p>FRANK REPUDIATES ANTI-ISRAEL BIAS</p>
<p>Congressman Barney Frank today expressed strong disagreement and disappointment with remarks made at an informal Congressional hearing on Thursday which sought to blame the State of Israel for the Bush policy on Iraq. Congressman Frank attended part of the hearing, which was frequently interrupted by a long series of votes that were being conducted on the floor of the House. He was not present when any references to Israel were made.</p>
<p>ìThe notion that United States foreign policy is somehow being manipulated by Israel is not only gravely mistaken, it is redolent of the sort of conspiracy theories imputing hidden powers to the Jews that have plagued the world for far too long. Congressman Moranís question which gave prominence to the role of Israel as one of the possible major factors behind the invasion, and the answer by witness Raymond McGovern which not only blamed Israel for the war in substantial part, but objected even to Congressman Moranís citing Israel as an American ally, are both refuted by the evidence discussed at the hearing itself. It should be emphasized that the hearing was called in major part to discuss the Downing Street minutes that were released, and nothing in those minutes in any way supports the allegation that this was all an Israeli plot.</p>
<p>ìI believe now and believed at the time that the Bush Administration came to power wanting to invade Iraq, and used the September 11th tragedy as a political justification for doing so, not because of some secret deal with Israel, but because of the foreign policy world view of those in charge of Bush Administration national security ñ who of course did not include the nominal Secretary of State, Colin Powell. In fact, part of the political bargaining between the Bush and Blair administrations that resulted in total British support for this unwise war was the endorsement by President Bush for the first time in his administration of a serious effort to bring about a peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, which was not entirely to Israelís liking. The latest step in the evolution of that policy was a decision by President Bush ñ over the objections of many in Congress, which I did not share ñ to provide direct aid to the Palestinian Authority. I believe that this was a constructive measure by President Bush in pursuit of an overall peace, and it hardly fits the notion that Israel is the master string-puller of the United States government.</p>
<p>ìFinally, the handouts distributed by some who attended a television version of the hearing making scurrilous, wholly inaccurate accusations of Israeli complicity in the September 11th attack are obviously contemptible, and would ordinarily be beneath notice, except for the fact that some newspaper accounts have cited them, and that calls for those of us who oppose this war and continue to oppose it to be clear in our repudiation of such vicious defamation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason that &quot;Jewish&quot; voters will not abandon the Democratic Party any time soon is that most people we identify (or they self identify) as Jews have long ceased having any connection with Judaism.  At best they are Jews of convenience when an ethnic identity is needed.  Jews who maintain their religious identity already have abandoned the Democrat Party as a block and vote across the political spectrum with a bias toward Republicans.  Unfortunately, the vast majority of ìJewishî voters fall in the former rather then the latter group.  Their political attitudes are far worse then the Jews of  pre-Nazi Germany.  German Jews thought of themselves as Jews who went to synagogue instead of Church.  All to many faux Jews in American today think of themselves as ìProgressivesî [read socialists] first, last and always.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that &#8220;Jewish&#8221; voters will not abandon the Democratic Party any time soon is that most people we identify (or they self identify) as Jews have long ceased having any connection with Judaism.  At best they are Jews of convenience when an ethnic identity is needed.  Jews who maintain their religious identity already have abandoned the Democrat Party as a block and vote across the political spectrum with a bias toward Republicans.  Unfortunately, the vast majority of ìJewishî voters fall in the former rather then the latter group.  Their political attitudes are far worse then the Jews of  pre-Nazi Germany.  German Jews thought of themselves as Jews who went to synagogue instead of Church.  All to many faux Jews in American today think of themselves as ìProgressivesî [read socialists] first, last and always.</p>
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