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1. erp:

Clinton is a shameless media hound.

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:17 pm 2. Connecticut Yankee:

I feel sorry for all of Clinton’s doctors– urologist, cardiologist, and spin.

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:22 pm 3. awprokop:

Roger, I don’t understand your post. Clinton’s interview where he talked about Gitmo was conducted two days ago, and Drudge just broke the (anonymously-sourced) affair story an hour ago. These two things did not happen “at the same time,” the interview was first. What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:26 pm 4. JenLArt:

Ah, taking the baton for the Treason crowd from Turban Durbin.

I may vomit–unbelievable that this POS was President for 8 years.

9/11 will always be his legacy (that and the Intifada): He treated the first WTC bombing as a domestic crime, did nothing about the USS Cole, shut down the investigations behind OKC (almost surely the Iraqis acting with McVeigh and Nichols) and TWA #800, pulled us out of Mogadishu when we faced Al Queda there, and did virtually nothing about the African embassy bombings.

Is it any wonder that the impeached pants-dropper in chief would want to let go (I presume) jihadi killlers determined to murder Americans that were captured on the battlefield?

And I guess what he thinks is what She-who-must-be-obeyed thinks, too.

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:31 pm 5. David Thomson:

I have not had the opportunity to read Dick Morrisí ìBecause He Could.î The title, though, may best describe what motivates Bill Clinton. He seems to be a selfish man who has squandered his many talents. Many people think that the so-called hard Right is Hillary Clintonís greatest obstacle to the White House. This is utter nonsense. Her husband has earned that dubious honor.

“…shut down the investigations behind OKC (almost surely the Iraqis acting with McVeigh and Nichols)”

Amost surely? I hesitate to go that far. Still, it does seem like a good possibility.

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:45 pm 6. JenLArt:

David, if you don’t believe me, read Jayna Davis’s terrific book “The Third Terrorist” on the OKC bombing–flawless investigative reporting unveiling the Iraqis involved, complete with tie-ins to the guys who did the first WTC bombing, many of them also Iraqis.

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:49 pm 7. Paul:

“David, if you don’t believe me, read Jayna Davis’s terrific book “The Third Terrorist” on the OKC bombing–flawless investigative reporting unveiling the Iraqis involved, complete with tie-ins to the guys who did the first WTC bombing, many of them also Iraqis.”

Yup.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/main.html

Jun 19, 2005 - 5:54 pm 8. David Thomson:

I respect Frank Gaffney who thinks highly of Jayna Davisí work:

ìWith the publication of this fascinating account, Jayna Davis will be recognized for what she is: an outstanding journalist willing to risk everything – her career, her financial security, even her life – to discover and illuminate the facts about foreign complicity in the murderous 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City. Thanks to her book, these facts can no longer be ignored, or concealed. And those who Ms. Davis reveals have systematically done both for nearly a decade must be called to account.î

http://www.jaynadavis.com/

This is her Front Page Magazine interview:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14904

I am not sure what to think. These allegations are admittedly very disturbing.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:02 pm 9. Buddy Larsen:

His presidency got a big boost out of OKC uncovering of the threat of domestic right-wing militias, and going after them held none of the political risks of going after foreign terrorists.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:08 pm 10. chuck:

He seems to be a selfish man who has squandered his many talents.

Depends on what the definition of “squander” is. I think his marriage is a formality and he is making up for eight years of lost time. Does it cost him anything? I don’t think so, the only person this costs is Hillary. Frankly, my dear, he doesn’t give a damn.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:09 pm 11. hepwa:

“News” hasn’t broken about Bill Clinton’s extra-marital affair — Matt Drudge posted a rumor on his website!!! You can’t make out the woman, a kiss does not constitute an affair and an inflammatory excerpt from a forthcoming book are NOT NEWS! What is WRONG with you people???

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:11 pm 12. chuck:

hepwa,

There is plenty of other gossip out there. I am rather curious about Clinton’s relationship with the Canadian MP myself. So we are having a big gossip fest. You can shut your ears and just amble on by if this is below your standards.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:14 pm 13. c:

This could be just another case of Wag the Dog, instead of wag the finger.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:18 pm 14. chuck:

I don’t think Clinton is running a distraction, however. I think he is just putting out the party line. Standard stuff for a politician, no conviction needed.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:20 pm 15. Kevin P:

Roger;

Clinton’s self serving and hypocritical view on the “torture” bothers me more then any possible cheating on his wife. Outsourcing torture to other countries and hoding detainee’s for extended periods was done under his leadership and he has a lot of chutzpah to be so sanctimonious. the fact that more of is happening under President Bush is because we are in a war. For any Clinton defender who might comment on this they have to explain why it was ok under Clinton and not under Bush.

As far as any adultry it would not suprise me but any reporting of it that is not backed up with specific facts that can be documented is simply a gift to Hillary’s 2008 run. If Klein has nothing more then an unamed source about the rape allegation then it is beyond the pale. He better have letters in Hillary’s handwriting or a tape. Anything less then that would be truly ugly.I don’t like Clinton. But really, that is bad even for watercooler gossip. Anyone who run’s with Kleins tale, unless it is documented beyond doubt,will lose and Hillary will spend so much time on T.V. trying to link this to Bush and we will spend time on that and Hillary will benifit tremendously. I doubt she will sue because that would mean Hill and Bill having to get in the witness box. But it will be a boon to her and if it is just a rumour she will garner so much sympathy and will help her ‘08 run. Any Republican politician should stay away from this as he would avoid smallpox.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:24 pm 16. Buddy Larsen:

The Clintons are hepwa’s kind of people…the surface is everything, if something below surface is big trouble for the world, well, don’t bother with all that, stay on the pretty stuff, the stuff the fan press puts out. Life is nicer that way, and maybe the Morlocs will eat someone else first.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:26 pm 17. David Thomson:

ìWhat is WRONG with you people???î

Bill Clinton is not a choir boy above suspicion. He has a long and proven track record of cheating on Hillary. It is very fair to compare him to a criminal convicted many time previously. Are these new allegations correct? I simply do not know the answer to that question—but such speculation is well within bounds.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:28 pm 18. Buddy Larsen:

I agree with Kevin on the rape stuff. My post was on the OKC issue–one of many untold stories of those 8 underground years.

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:31 pm 19. Kyda Sylvester:

As this space reported last week, Hillary turned furious and considered legal action after learning Klein would allege in his new book: Bill Clinton raped her — resulting in the conception of daughter Chelsea Clinton.

“Mrs. Clinton told me she would considering suing him for outright libel,” the top Hillary source explains. “This is the right wing attack machine on crack!”

Huh??! Ed Klein–a book flogging liberal press journalist–is now part of the right wing attack machine? Who let him in? You know, in my travels around the “right wing” blogosphere, I have seen precious little discussion about Klein’s book. And what discussion there is usually has been broached by a lefty drop-in troll. Almost as if by design. Hmmmm

Jun 19, 2005 - 6:32 pm 20. Kevin P:

Kyda:

You have an interesting point. In fact I believe it was the very same hepwa, the poster who is so shocked and appalled that we would spend one second on this issue, who introduced the hillary book on a thread about Durbin. If you have the guts hepwa you could answer this question. If it WAS NOT NEWS, why did you bring the topic on an unrelated thread the other day. YOU thought the marriage of Hill and Bill was very important the other day. Now you are wondering WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE today over the very same issue. Did you forget your meds. Why was it so important to bring up the topic other day,BY YOU, but today is beyond reason why anyone would pay attention. Or was that your tabloid inner self the other day and are you the serious hepwa today. I await your answer. Maybe there is third hepwa identity.

Jun 19, 2005 - 7:03 pm 21. Kyda Sylvester:

As far as any adultry it would not suprise me but any reporting of it that is not backed up with specific facts that can be documented is simply a gift to Hillary’s 2008 run.

My greatest fear is that Miz Hillary will be swept into office on another wave of “he done her wrong” sympathy (and please, God, I’m begging You, please don’t see fit to call Bill home any time before 2009). For the next 4 years, I reserve the right to be paranoid regarding the motives of any and all revelations about Bill’s sex life.

And, while I agree that opposition to Hillary should be expressed in terms of her politics, record and character, I do feel that it’s perfectly legitimate for someone to oppose a Clinton presidency on no other basis than not wanting to go through 4-8 more years of this crap. Enough of these people. Leave Hillary to toil in the Senate as, preferably, a member of the minority party.

Jun 19, 2005 - 7:05 pm 22. PeterUK:

It must be terrible for Clinton when he starts coming on to a strange woman..and finds it is his wife.

Jun 19, 2005 - 7:08 pm 23. Kevin P:

Kyda:

I agree with you 100%. In fact if Bill gets caught cheating on her again she could divorce him and get a huge boost to her run for the Presidency. Hillary ‘08 is laughed off by many Republicans but if I had to place a bet today she is who I would pick,strictly as a betting proposition. So far she has set herself up perfectly for the ‘08 run and if she had a reason to get rid of zipper boy she would lose most of the negative weight of another Clinton presidency. I did see a Air America radio personality guarantee that Hillary would not be the Democratic nominee in ‘08 but I just think that was the Soros far left buying in to the fantasy that a Kucinich stlye Mother Jones Democrat will win because they have bought the party and can make an end run around the party structure.

Jun 19, 2005 - 7:25 pm 24. Buddy Larsen:

Yes, really, let’s keep the “personal journeys” and big therapy tent revival meetings in the rear-view mirror, receding.

Jun 19, 2005 - 7:25 pm 25. NavySEAL Mom:

I have this nightmare that Bill will either die or become terminally ill the week before the election in 2008. Talk about a sympathy vote for Hillary.

Jun 19, 2005 - 8:17 pm 26. Rick Ballard:

NavySEAL Mom,

Thank your son for me. Your concern about Hillary would be nullified if she weren’t the candidate. By the time the primaries roll around her opponents will have been provided with a Manhattan telephone sized briefing book detailing all aspects of what little character she has. People will think, “He’s lucky to be shut of her.” if Bubba buckets.

I don’t believe that many here have read the transcript of Bubba’s remarks. He shows himself as unfit as a former President as he was unfit to be President. I challenge anyone to find similiar remarks by a former President made during a time of war.

Jun 19, 2005 - 8:29 pm 27. Kyda Sylvester:

I,too, want to urge everyone to read that transcript. Bill’s responses were long and rambling, occasionally incoherent, his thoughts uncollected, his sentence structure deplorable and his arguments laughably weak. And then there is the thing about how he demonstrates that he never was and is not now morally and ethically fit for his high office. He’s a disgrace and he’s losing it.

I read somewhere that Barbara Bush has taken to referring to Bill as “son”. Well, Barbara, it’s time to take sonny to the woodshed.

Jun 19, 2005 - 9:03 pm 28. Kevin P:

Roger:

If Hillary really wants to win she will divorce Bill and marry Robert Horry. when it comes to winning time he is money in the bank.

Jun 19, 2005 - 9:45 pm 29. chuck:

Anyone want to speculate on why Klein felt compelled to write his book? Besides for the money, I mean.

Jun 19, 2005 - 9:46 pm 30. David Thomson:

ìI challenge anyone to find similiar remarks by a former President made during a time of war.î

Have we already forgotten Jimmy Carter?:

ìDuring the buildup to the Gulf War in 1990 and 1991, Carter unsuccessfully worked to undermine the foreign policy of America’s democratically elected president, George Bush. Carter behaved as the Imperial Ex-President, conducting a guerrilla foreign policy operation that competed with the actual president’s. What’s disturbing about this behavior is not that Carter opposed war with Iraq. Many Democrats opposed going to war, and they worked within the American system to try to prevent a war that many predicted would be bloody (which it was, for Iraq). But Carter went further than merely lobbying Congress to oppose military action or speaking out in an effort to tilt popular opinion against the coming war. He used his status as a former president to engage in foreign policy, a deliberate effort to subvert the democratic process.î

http://slate.msn.com/id/2065887/

Bill Clinton has a ways to go before he can catch up to former President Carter. Moreover, the peanut farmer is number one of all our former American presidents in disgracing the country during a time of war. Nobody else, that I can think of, even comes half way close.

Jun 19, 2005 - 9:55 pm 31. ed:

Hmmmm.

Frankly Bill Clinton isn’t President so whatever he does simply doesn’t matter to me. He could do the horizontal two-step on the steps to Congress and it still wouldn’t bother me all that much. I figure whenever Congress is in session, someone is getting screwed anyways.

On the other hand this whole nonsense over Gitmo is frankly absurd.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:27 pm 32. markus:

Wow, Mr. Simon — you’re really running a nuthouse here.

Nuts –

What is familiar about this is the whole right-wing character attack machine going in to action. Just like the swift boaties. You guys are like the friggin’ mob!

This is a tacit admission, it seems, that the Republicans are genuninely scared that they can’t beat Hillary in ‘08 on the issues.

Pathetic. You guys can’t govern, and you’re going down. Prepare to say “speaker pelosi” — unless you figure out a way to kneecap her, too.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:31 pm 33. chuck:

Ye scurvy dog, markus. Arrr. Blood will run from the scuppers. Prepare to be boarded.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:39 pm 34. Charlie (Colorado):

Uh, Markus, not to inject an unaccustomed note of logic here, but an AWFUL lot of the discussion of Klein’s book has been to (a) point out that it’s trash, and (b) wonder what Klein’s motives are. Certainly my own reaction is some bemusement, but at this point I’m neither scandalized nor particularly interested.

For that matter, I never cared that he was dipping his pen in government ink when he was president; I just thought if what he did was bad enough to disbar him, it was bad enough to dismiss him.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:41 pm 35. papertiger:

The way I heard it, this Klein fellow’s book is akin to the Kitty Kelly bio/smear on the Bush family. Book form political hatchet jobs haven’t worked very well lately. Ed Klein needs to get himself a blog.

Unsourced anonymous bullshit should be treated as such.

If newspapers did away with anonymous sources altogether the world would be a better place.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:43 pm 36. Paul:

The comment from Markus was simply the purest, most unblemished example of projection I think I’ve ever seen. And living in “the belly of the beast” has provided me with countless examples competing for that distinction.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:46 pm 37. Kevin P:

Roger:

I read the transcript and I am going to assume he was jet lagged. After I read his wanderinging answers I went back to read the questions again. They were all reasonable technical questions. Every answer always got back to me, me, I, I, me, me. he is a totally self absorbed person. His work on the tsunami relief is good but he turns everything into a tribute to himself. And just like his interviews for his book he always starts off with a “I am guilty ” but then goes on to describe how he really isn’t. “I confess to my sins but this is why it isn’t my fault and here are people who are worse” And close it with another confession.

Jun 19, 2005 - 10:51 pm 38. Sandy P:

–Unsourced anonymous bullshit should be treated as such. –

Ohh, CBS is running the story?

Or that Brit retyping the memos is in charge?

Jun 20, 2005 - 12:15 am 39. Sandy P:

Add David Shippers (sp) to the list of Jayna Davis supporters.

10/02 Chicago Mag article, IIRC.

However, maybe not Iraq, maybe Iran.

Jun 20, 2005 - 12:15 am 40. PeterUK:

Markus,

It is four long years,you might have matured by then and be voting Republican.

Jun 20, 2005 - 4:48 am 41. jedrury:

Markus writes without explantion that the Republicans can’t beat “Hillary in ‘08 on the issues.” He is right.

The Republicans run a poor second to the Clintons on fraud, corruption and malfeasance. When the president leaves the office in 2008, there will be no need to inventory the White House for stolen furniture, missing typewriters keys, or cleanse it for cigar ash and semen stains or account to the nation for ill granted presidential pardons.

Jun 20, 2005 - 4:54 am 42. Terrye:

markus:

Considering the fact that the left virtually invented the personal attack as propaganda ploy don’t you think the moral outrage is jsut a tad misplaced?

Jun 20, 2005 - 5:31 am 43. Terrye:

As far as Clinton’s remark regarding Gitmo …..what the hell does he know?

I mean we could really scare these people and send them to Illinois where they could spend some time in the Cook County jail. There have been a lot more cases of proven abuse there than at Gitmo. However, the Democrats control that part of the world with an iron fist the likes of which are rarely encountered outside of banana republics.

The Dems can bitch and moan about the rights of these people but when the military wanted to go ahead with tribunals and then the effing lawyers got involved and now here we are in legal limbo and tghe people responsible for the limbo are [as usual] blaming Bush. The terrorists may die of old age before they get done beating this dead horse.

The report that Turbin Durbin,[the new hero of the resistance, move over Zarqawi], was referencing was done because the interrogater was not following policy not because he was. Now is it the intention of the Democrats to glean through pictures and reports of thousands and thousands of interrogations and incarcerations in the hopes that they can glean enough bad press that people will over look the good the military is doing?

Now it seems that attacking Bush is not enough, they have to go after the Marines as well. I wonder if Durbin would want to be alone in the same room with the 20th hijacker, unguarded and unshackled? chicken shit.

The trial for Saddam is coming up and the Dems want to distract people by saying, “see we are as bad as the nazis and the soviets and the khmer rouge and lizzie borden and ivan the terrible and atilla the hun and idi amin and michael jackson and well just about everbody bad and icky you can think of.”

I guess being the party that coddles criminal is not good enough for them, now they want to be the party that coddles the teorrorists.

Jun 20, 2005 - 5:48 am 44. Rick Ballard:

Kathryn Lopez interviews Ed Klein in NRO.

The book didn’t sound that interesting ’til I read the interview. The Moynihan bit is really going to bite.

Jun 20, 2005 - 6:20 am 45. Charlie (Colorado):

Have we already forgotten Jimmy Carter?

Sadly, no.

Jun 20, 2005 - 7:01 am 46. ed:

Hmmmm.

“For that matter, I never cared that he was dipping his pen in government ink when he was president; I just thought if what he did was bad enough to disbar him, it was bad enough to dismiss him.”

IMHO I didn’t care either. The only thing I cared about was that he lied under oath, something that I wouldn’t accept from any sitting President, Republican or Democrat.

Though I must say I think the idea of getting a hummer while talking to a member of Congress to be a rather strange episode.

Jun 20, 2005 - 7:08 am 47. Rick Ballard:

Ed,

Don’t you remember all the stories about Clinton and multi-tasking? The story about Arafat at the WH trumps the phone call, in my book.

Jun 20, 2005 - 7:15 am 48. Buddy Larsen:

The Merry Prankster, full of contempt for his lessers.

Jun 20, 2005 - 7:21 am 49. Silicon valley Jim:

I challenge anyone to find similiar remarks by a former President made during a time of war.

Good point, although David’s point about Carter is also true; Carter is, in my opinion, not only arguably the worst President of my lifetime (rivaled by Johnson, Clinton, and Nixon), but certainly the worst ex-President. That’s the list, however. The entire list of ex-Presidents criticizing sitting Presidents consists of the two most recent Democratic Presidents. When JFK failed to provide air support for the Bay of Pigs invaders, Eisenhower tore him a new one, but he did it in private; the same applies to JFK’s failure to put troops on the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos.

I don’t care whether Clinton is having an affair; Bill cheating on Hillary is not news.

Jun 20, 2005 - 9:05 am 50. Buddy Larsen:

Hillary is going to boil down to whether or not we believe her metamorphosis. Bill is fading fast.

A current question might be, why do we even have to take the gamble on Hillary’s metamorphosis? The stakes are rather high, after all.

The Dems should run either of–or someone between–Sen.Leiberman or (heavens!) Zel Miller. But, even insiders in the party are admitting Soros is paying the fiddler.

Jun 20, 2005 - 9:46 am 51. markus:

David Thomson — you’ve posted above so I assume you are likely to read this. It won’t hurt anyone else slandering the Democratic Party for cheap political gain to also read this article in today’s Post:

(Additionally, check out Barney Frank’s statement on those who blame Israel for our decision to invade Iraq here: http://www.house.gov/frank/moranstatement.html)

WASHINGTON — A handful of people at Democratic National Headquarters distributed material critical of Israel during a public forum questioning the Bush administration’s Iraq policy, drawing an angry response and charges of anti-Semitism from party chairman Howard Dean on Friday.

“We disavow the anti-Semitic literature, and the Democratic National Committee stands in absolute disagreement with and condemns the allegations,” Dean said in a statement posted on the DNC Web site.

Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, organized the forum on Thursday at the Capitol to publicize and discuss the so-called Downing Street memo. That document suggests that the Bush administration believed that war with Iraq was inevitable and that the administration was determined to use intelligence about weapons of mass destruction to justify the ouster of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The Sunday Times of London has reported that the prewar document, which recounts a meeting of Prime Minister Tony Blair’s national security team, was leaked from inside the British government. The White House has rejected the memo’s assertions.

Conyers’ event occurred in a small Capitol meeting room, and an overflow crowd watched witnesses on television in a conference room at DNC headquarters. According to Dean, some material distributed within the DNC conference room implied that Israel was involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

One witness, former intelligence analyst Ray McGovern, told Conyers and other House Democrats that the war was part of an effort to allow the United States and Israel to “dominate that part of the world,” a statement Dean also condemned.

“As for any inferences that the United States went to war so Israel could ‘dominate’ the Middle East or that Israel was in any way behind the horrific September 11th attacks on America, let me say unequivocally that such statements are nothing but vile, anti-Semitic rhetoric,” Dean said.

“The inferences are destructive and counterproductive, and have taken away from the true purpose of the Judiciary Committee members’ meeting,” he said. “The entire Democratic Party remains committed to fighting against such bigotry.”

Jun 20, 2005 - 10:12 am 52. Buddy Larsen:

Nice, Markus. Not too sarcastic. You’re growing up, son. One little point–an apology doesn’t stop the orinal slander of Israel and the Bush administration from winging ’round the world and doing great damage to the folks with their necks stuck out fighting the terrorists. And how is it slandering the Demos, to object to Demo slander? If the Dems don’t want to be charged for scurrilous charges, then don’t make scurrilous charges. The leadership may indeed be innocent of such as the anti-Semitic literature, but then it was handed out at a Dem function, so it’s a little odd to expect no one to draw an inference.

Jun 20, 2005 - 10:26 am 53. PeterUK:

Markus,

Fascinating post,How does all that qualify Hillary to run for President,in fact what qualifies her at all other than the US is the Land of opportunity.

Definately,but it also has standards.

Jun 20, 2005 - 10:26 am 54. Kyda Sylvester:

I’m with you, SVJim (a as matter of fact for a few seconds there I thought I was reading one of my old posts). To this point, anyhow, Jimmah gets my vote for worst ex-president of my lifetime, but it’s a position to which Bill Clinton obviously aspires.

BTW, did anyone hear Chuck Hagel’s remarks yesterday? Is there any legal way to shut down the Senate?

Jun 20, 2005 - 10:38 am 55. PeterUK:

Kyda,

Charge a membership fee.

Jun 20, 2005 - 11:21 am 56. Buddy Larsen:

I think I can speak for the blogosphere, I’m glad Kyda figured out the damned typewriter.

Jun 20, 2005 - 11:26 am 57. Kyda Sylvester:

Buddy–LOL. Yes, you all owe a debt of gratitude to Knucklehead.

Jun 20, 2005 - 11:39 am 58. Kyda Sylvester:

Although, Buddy, I think Peter is trying to egg me on again. I’m not taking the bait.

Jun 20, 2005 - 11:53 am 59. Buddy Larsen:

Yes, put a cold washcloth on your forehead and lie down.

Jun 20, 2005 - 12:07 pm 60. PeterUK:

Kyda,

OK then, just charge for the refreshments and the stationary.

Jun 20, 2005 - 12:50 pm 61. Knucklehead:

Where did Kyda find a typewriter and why is she ill? Go away for a few seconds around here and all sorts of odd stuff happens.

Jun 20, 2005 - 1:26 pm 62. Jim Rockford:

I don’t think in one sense Bill Clinton’s comments are totally unreasonable. He certainly has a point that we cannot hold people forever. This is certainly true. We should hold tribunals and shoot most of those convicted of serious crimes against us.

Bill Clinton’s other points should not surprise ANYONE who followed his Presidency and they are consistent with his behavior and prior political statements. Bill Clinton like most Democrats sincerely believes that the “tide of Democracy,” Free Trade (NAFTA), the Internet, and NGOs will change the world without the need for violence through talk-shops like Davos. He has been and always will be allergic to any substantial military force where casualties are taken, and political prices paid. His comments about the US and UK “image” abroad are indicative of this mindset.

Fundamentally, Democrats are in denial about the conflict we face, which dates back to at least the 1980’s and certainly from the fall of the Soviet Union: the struggle between the Islamic World’s asymmetrical attempt to destroy the Western World (including China, Japan, India, as well as the US and Europe) and the Western World’s movement to unify global culture. The World ultimately will be comprised of societies under the rule of law made by men and women, not handed down from God unchangeable, with respect/freedom for women, religious and ethnic minorities, intellectual openness, and scientific advancement, or it will resemble globally the thuggish tribalism of the Taliban. Victory will come through whichever society can change the other; there will be no compromise either way and the idea of a State-to-State Westphalian conflict is as outdated as the Holy Roman Empire.

Clinton repeated the “it’s tough” mantra about making decisions regarding terrorists, admitted he himself held them for extended periods of time, and flat out said he believed the framework should be of law enforcement. In a situation where we face not organized states but ideological trans-national groups that do things that make no sense from objective state interests: 1993 WTC bombing, 1998 Embassy bombings, 2000 USS Cole bombing, 9/11; we cannot afford this framework, particularly when our enemies, a loosely organized ideological coalition are escalating our civilian casualties and pay no attention to the Westphalian rules of warfare. The Islamic world would view as completely legitimate and justified the nuking of as many American cities as possible to create millions of casualties. This calls not for torture of Gitmo prisoners but certainly abandoning the State-to-State model of warfare. Hence the efficacy of shooting our prisoners when all information has been extracted, and the abandonment of the stupid PC-Multicultural models of internment (no Korans or religious observances, they should exist in our world not theirs).

Clinton is not bad, evil, or traitorous. He simply intellectually cannot conceive that his framework of Davos, NGOs, the Bill Gates Foundation, law enforcement, global hearts-and-minds, etc. are totally irrelevant to a conflict between two completely incompatible civilizations being pushed together through technology, where only one can ultimately exist. Pretty much the entire Dem Party shares this failing.

WRT Clinton’s affair or not? Who cares though I’d say he as a man should do better by Hillary and Chelsea, who will be hurt by this if true; Hillary should sue the guy Klein and I hope she does.

The problem of anti-Semitism and wild conspiracy theories in the Democratic Party is serious and widespread to elected and Party officials; Dean and other leaders have not articulated a set of formal policies in opposition to GWB; who has been timid in facing the new reality described above. Dems seem to think that by concocting conspiracy theories and wishing real hard to go back to a pre-9/11 world it will happen. That’s not a strategy for success, no matter how inept Bush faces the world he at least has some glimmerings of the reality of the situation.

Jun 20, 2005 - 1:50 pm 63. richard mcenroe:

Do we really need any more proof that Bill Clinton is a pig?

Does it really matter what he says any more? We already know the “left fringe” is now the true voice of the Democratic party. If anything, they should be encouraged to repeat themselves at length in as many and as public venues as possible.

Jun 20, 2005 - 5:15 pm 64. Luther McLeod:

Except for a few small points on which I am too ginned out to rebut, good comment Rockford.

Jun 20, 2005 - 6:02 pm 65. Buddy Larsen:

Wonder if Rockford is still in the private eye bidness.

Jun 20, 2005 - 7:22 pm

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