Roger L. Simon

August 5th, 2005 7:56 am

Following the Gitmo Money

The administration is apparently about to send nearly seventy percent of the suspected terrorists in Guantanamo to other countries (Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen). TigerHawk points out Human Rights Watch is already crying foul. Since America is involved, something evil must be afoot. (Never mind that the closing of Gitmo is what they have been clammoring for since they first heard about it.)

A kneejerk reaction from the rights group? I have my own response to the NGO and to others of its ilk. Whatever they do these days seems motivated first by economic self-interest. Anti-Americanism is what pays their bills and generates their executive salaries. Is that a kneejerk reaction of my own? Undoubtedly. But it could be tracked. A correlation study between anti-American rhetoric and fundraising at NGOs could be done relatively easily. But don’t expect the NYT or the WaPo to do it. Hmmm… Does anyone here know someone at Pajamas Media? I’ve been reading about them lately.

UPDATE: Here’s another example of NGO fundraising in action. This one may backfire.

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10 Comments

1. PJ:

NGOs are businesses, accountable to no one. Just google NGO salaries and see the wealth of information–of course ignored by the media.

Re the article on the blogosphere, it will be so interesting to see the next generation, and PM will be in the vanguard.

Aug 5, 2005 - 8:33 am 2. Lola:

Any way to file a lawusit against NYACLU? For aiding and abetting terrorists . . .

Aug 5, 2005 - 8:45 am 3. Morgan:

A correlation study between anti-American rhetoric and fundraising at NGOs could be done relatively easy.

Okay, so how would this work blog-style?

1.0 Define the study

1.1 Define NGO

1.2 Develop rating system for anti-Americanism

1.3 Define the data to be collected

1.4 Agree on appropriate association metric

2.0 Collect instances of NGOs

3.0 Collect/score data

3.1 Collect/collate reports and statements issued by NGOs with date stamps

3.1.2 Rate reports on anti-Americanism

3.2 Collect/collate financial data of NGOs with date stamps

4.0 Perform statistical analysis

5.0 Report results (raw data)

6.0 Discuss results

The most labor-intensive pieces would typically be 2.X and 3.X, but in blog world they can be performed in parallel – lots of people can collect/score the data. Some redundancy is expected and appropriate – it helps to assure reliabile ratings in 3.1.2.

1.2 and 1.3 should probably be delegated to an expert.

I think the whole thing could be done in a day, given enough people contributing a piece or two each.

It would be interesting to see how smoothly things run. I expect that there would be a learning curve involved. It will take some time to ensure that contributors have access to information that allows them to coordinate efficiently.

But I’m game.

Aug 5, 2005 - 8:46 am 4. Morgan:

Correction. 1.2 and 1.3 should be handled by a group of people with knowledge of the domain and statistical techniques.

Aug 5, 2005 - 8:51 am 5. Kevin P:

Roger;

They wanted Gitmo closed, they got it. If they thought we were going to let them into our prison system to develop more terror cells they must have a death wish,for other people of course.

These were caught in the middle of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and they did not follow the rules of the Geneva Convention to be considered P.O.W.’s.

Out of nearly 10,000 captured enemy non-combatants about 700 to 1,000 were judged by our military to be threats and that they could not be allowed to go free to get another chance to kill our soldiers and our allies. We were holding them in a good facility and we were giving them fair treatment. Since the democrats and the Human Rights groups wanted Gitmo closed we are sending them back to their own countries, and many of them are soon going to be wishing they were still at Gitmo. They can thank Dick Durbin, the Dems, and the human rights groups for their fate.

Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post is on C-Span talking about the book he is planning to write about Abu Ghraib. Was Abu ghraib horrible? Of course. But the MSM’s fixation on AG shows what their goal’s are. They cover it as if it was the holocaust.”The most important story in the War” What crap.

Kevin Peters

Aug 5, 2005 - 9:15 am 6. David Thomson:

ìA kneejerk reaction from the rights group? I have my own response to the NGO and to others of its ilk. Whatever they do these days seems motivated first by economic self-interest. Anti-Americanism is what pays their bills and generates their executive salaries. Is that a kneejerk reaction of my own?î

The same also holds true for most advocacy groups. The NRA and MADD also depend on scaring the crap out of their members to raise money. Moreover, Iím convinced that sometimes the rhetoric is cynically devised by people who care only about their fund raising commissions! They donít even believe in the cause. Sadly, moderates have a hard time raising cash. One is likely to be more successful if you describe the situation as desperate. Sales 101 classes emphasize the value of ìurgencyî in closing sales.

Aug 5, 2005 - 9:26 am 7. Terrye:

Yesterday I heard some writer on Fox talking about how awful the prisoner abuse scandal has been for our image in the Muslim world. After all, we know how delicate their sensibilities are. Not to mention the fact that the press has to invent its obligatory pee on the Koran story. What a farce that was.

Well, it seems that those nice Arab countries are going to get a lot of these people back and if they are indeed outraged by our treatment then I can only assume that bad things like that do not happen to prisoners in Arab jails. If, however, it is the case that these terrorists might be worse off back home with their own people than they are at the gulag in Cuba then maybe, just maybe….. the press and the NGO’s have been laying it on a little thick here.

I keep hearing how we need more investiagations into AbuGhraib because the several that have already been done are insufficient. I also hear that the Senate needs to launch an investigation into Gitmo, etc, so that Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch can have another fund drive…but you know what? There are alternatives to that…we just send these guys on down the road. And put the rest on trial in a military court. the end.

Aug 5, 2005 - 11:55 am 8. Kyda Sylvester:

Once upon a time even a conservative could support the ACLU. But that was yesterday, and yesterday’s gone.

Aug 5, 2005 - 1:05 pm 9. Kevin P:

Terrye:

This whole “scandal” only makes sense if you look at the Gitmo prisoners as innocent victims caught up in a terrible mistake. These victims were actually Taliban or Iraqi Bathists who were fighting to keep in power two of the worst regimes of the last few decades. These victims endorsed regimes and movements that firmly believed in governments that embraced torture and repression and still want to kill our soldiers and blow up our citizens. As in any war we took them out of the field and stopped them from killing our soldiers and our citizens. But the Human Rights groups and the dems pretend that these are just ordinary fellows with odd political beliefs.

They demanded that they be released from Gitmo. If they qualified as P.O.W.’s all their protests would be valid. But they don’t. There is a great advantage to not wearing a uniform and not holding ID that shows that you are members of a organized Army. It allows you to blend into the general public and pop up to fight when the mood hits you.Of course this style of war puts the general public in great danger but that is ignored.

If you take the advantages of secret armed battle then you must accept the drawbacks. And one of them is that the U.S. Army is not going to provide you full access to the justice system. This is not a excuse to abuse these prisoners.AG was a massive error and the Army was investigating these crimes before the photos came out.

The Dems and the Human Rights groups demanded that Gitmo be shut down. The alternatives to Gitmo was to let them go, thus allowing them to rejoin their terrorists buddies, put them in our prison system so they can organize more cells to that will be used to kill us, or send them back to their countries of origin. The only safe choice is the last one. The opposition can’t have it both ways. They got what they were calling for. They can’t blame anyone but themselves for what happens to these terrorists.

Kevin Peters

Aug 5, 2005 - 1:12 pm 10. teragrinch:

From the NYCLU lawsuit: “While concerns about terrorism of course justify — indeed, require — aggressive police tactics, those concerns cannot justify the Police Department’s unprecedented policy of subjecting millions of innocent people to suspicionless searches,” states the suit.

So, we can’t profile, and we can’t conduct “suspicionless searches”. Then just what “aggressive police tactics” would the NYCLU suggest?

To be very unoriginal, “You can’t make this stuff up!!!”

Aug 6, 2005 - 4:52 am

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