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		<title>By: Royalty Free Beats For One Dollar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kiwi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To submandave: you are correct..that should have read 12000 miles. My apologies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To submandave: you are correct..that should have read 12000 miles. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Bob has long been a fan of Bush&#039;s sincerity and commitment to Africa (poverty, trade, AIDS, etc.).  I still laugh at his comment that Clinton talked a good game &quot;but did fuck-all.&quot;



&lt;b&gt;kiwi&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;120000 miles&lt;/i&gt;?  Methinks thou hast a sticky zero key.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Bob has long been a fan of Bush&#8217;s sincerity and commitment to Africa (poverty, trade, AIDS, etc.).  I still laugh at his comment that Clinton talked a good game &#8220;but did fuck-all.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>kiwi</b>: <i>120000 miles</i>?  Methinks thou hast a sticky zero key.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flenser,

&quot;The winners would be farmers in developing nations. &quot;



Which developing nations? If you are excluding African ones then it seems a reasonable statement, but considering the situation in Africa, even South Africa now has lobbies to remove the White farmers to create small holdings for the &quot;landless&quot; which cannot produce in economical quantities for export but just for subsistence.



If Geldorf had read Moeletsi Mbeki&#039;s paper

&quot;The private sector, political elites and underdevelopment in Sub-Saharan Africa&quot;

http://www.saiia.org.za/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=500

maybe he would not have been such a demagogue with respect to Africa. Then again he must have made a fortune selling his music CDs at the G* summit .... and employs expensive people to reduce his tax burden which could form part of that which he demands of Britain for charity.

Moeletsi Mbeki is the South African President&#039;s brother by the way.

The Cato Institute has this by Mbeki:

&quot;Shield Africa&#039;s Wealth from Self-Serving Political Elites&quot;

http://www.cato.org/research/articles/mbeki-050419.html



&quot;Geldof said of Bush&#039;s trade tariff proposal, adding that he was impressed with the president&#039;s acknowledgment that terrorism &quot;comes from despair and lack of hope.&quot;



After all we have seen these past 4 years it amazes me that Bush could still trot out that nonsense. Just take those bombers in London full of &quot;despair and lack of hope&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flenser,</p>
<p>&#8220;The winners would be farmers in developing nations. &#8221;</p>
<p>Which developing nations? If you are excluding African ones then it seems a reasonable statement, but considering the situation in Africa, even South Africa now has lobbies to remove the White farmers to create small holdings for the &#8220;landless&#8221; which cannot produce in economical quantities for export but just for subsistence.</p>
<p>If Geldorf had read Moeletsi Mbeki&#8217;s paper</p>
<p>&#8220;The private sector, political elites and underdevelopment in Sub-Saharan Africa&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.saiia.org.za/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=500" rel="nofollow">http://www.saiia.org.za/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=500</a></p>
<p>maybe he would not have been such a demagogue with respect to Africa. Then again he must have made a fortune selling his music CDs at the G* summit &#8230;. and employs expensive people to reduce his tax burden which could form part of that which he demands of Britain for charity.</p>
<p>Moeletsi Mbeki is the South African President&#8217;s brother by the way.</p>
<p>The Cato Institute has this by Mbeki:</p>
<p>&#8220;Shield Africa&#8217;s Wealth from Self-Serving Political Elites&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato.org/research/articles/mbeki-050419.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/research/articles/mbeki-050419.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Geldof said of Bush&#8217;s trade tariff proposal, adding that he was impressed with the president&#8217;s acknowledgment that terrorism &#8220;comes from despair and lack of hope.&#8221;</p>
<p>After all we have seen these past 4 years it amazes me that Bush could still trot out that nonsense. Just take those bombers in London full of &#8220;despair and lack of hope&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyda Sylvester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyda Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a politically astute play. It allows Bush to line up on the side of the angels with little chance of having to make good.



That being said, I believe Bush to be a dedicated free trader and sincere in his belief that it&#039;s a vital component of any plan to develope the third (or even second) world. And what I wouldn&#039;t give to watch the Bush administration trying to persuade Congress (Reps and Dems alike) to end farm subsidies. Oh happy day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a politically astute play. It allows Bush to line up on the side of the angels with little chance of having to make good.</p>
<p>That being said, I believe Bush to be a dedicated free trader and sincere in his belief that it&#8217;s a vital component of any plan to develope the third (or even second) world. And what I wouldn&#8217;t give to watch the Bush administration trying to persuade Congress (Reps and Dems alike) to end farm subsidies. Oh happy day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen domestically if the US somehow managed to overcome the political bottlenecks to dropping farm subsidies (whether or not anyone else dropped them):



1. Good, smart farmers would often switch to different crops than they grow now.



2. Adequate farmers would struggle on with same crops for a long time, which will be possible because of all the good, smart ones getting out of direction competition.



3. Marginal farmers will sell the farm.  This also removes competition from the above two groups.



4. NBA players running farms as tax shelters will no longer find them attractive, unless they hire a good, smart farmer to manage the enterprise.



Next effect--remaining farmers get same or better money, but more reliably and without subsidies while consumers get cheaper food.  Or more accurately, consumers get a wider variety of relatively cheap food.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen domestically if the US somehow managed to overcome the political bottlenecks to dropping farm subsidies (whether or not anyone else dropped them):</p>
<p>1. Good, smart farmers would often switch to different crops than they grow now.</p>
<p>2. Adequate farmers would struggle on with same crops for a long time, which will be possible because of all the good, smart ones getting out of direction competition.</p>
<p>3. Marginal farmers will sell the farm.  This also removes competition from the above two groups.</p>
<p>4. NBA players running farms as tax shelters will no longer find them attractive, unless they hire a good, smart farmer to manage the enterprise.</p>
<p>Next effect&#8211;remaining farmers get same or better money, but more reliably and without subsidies while consumers get cheaper food.  Or more accurately, consumers get a wider variety of relatively cheap food.</p>
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		<title>By: RogerA</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one with an Adam Smith outlook about trade, I am fully in support of the president&#039;s initiatives..Kiwi&#039;s example was excellent and will impell me into some research! The issue for Bush will be to make it happen politically. Regretably American farmer&#039;s have much the same influence on our politics as do French farmers on the French government.  But I think it is important to get the vision on the table.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one with an Adam Smith outlook about trade, I am fully in support of the president&#8217;s initiatives..Kiwi&#8217;s example was excellent and will impell me into some research! The issue for Bush will be to make it happen politically. Regretably American farmer&#8217;s have much the same influence on our politics as do French farmers on the French government.  But I think it is important to get the vision on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that New Zealand can offer a very practical and relevant example of what happens when a &quot;first world nation&quot; removes all government subsidies and protections from its farmers. In 1984 a left wing Labour Government with a secret right wing economic agenda...yes I know this sounds bizarre, but believe me it happened!...was elected to power in New Zealand. One of its first actions was to remove ALL subsidies and price support to NZ farmers. Initially there was much moaning and angst, but faced with reality NZ farmers got down to doing what they do best...producing the best agricultural produce in the world at unbelievably competitive prices. Despite the fact that NZ&#039;s main markets are in the Northern Hemisphere, with freight distances up to 120000 miles, our agricultural produce is still cost competitive in these markets...so much so, that the US, EU and Japan restrict our imports with quotas to protect their own producers. NZ farmers would never wish to return to Govt. subsidies and handouts. These policies send the wrong signals to producers; our farmers are proof positive that Western world agricultural producers can not just survive, but prosper once the price and incentive distorting subsidies are removed. President Bush is to be commended for his initiative in this regard, but I suspect he will very quickly come under great pressure from the US farm lobby, like so many northern hemisphere farmers, reluctant to wean themselves from the teat of taxpayer subsidies. NZ farmers stand as an example to the Western World that there is not just life after the removal of taxpayer funded support, but with innovation, technology implementation and hard work, good profits as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that New Zealand can offer a very practical and relevant example of what happens when a &#8220;first world nation&#8221; removes all government subsidies and protections from its farmers. In 1984 a left wing Labour Government with a secret right wing economic agenda&#8230;yes I know this sounds bizarre, but believe me it happened!&#8230;was elected to power in New Zealand. One of its first actions was to remove ALL subsidies and price support to NZ farmers. Initially there was much moaning and angst, but faced with reality NZ farmers got down to doing what they do best&#8230;producing the best agricultural produce in the world at unbelievably competitive prices. Despite the fact that NZ&#8217;s main markets are in the Northern Hemisphere, with freight distances up to 120000 miles, our agricultural produce is still cost competitive in these markets&#8230;so much so, that the US, EU and Japan restrict our imports with quotas to protect their own producers. NZ farmers would never wish to return to Govt. subsidies and handouts. These policies send the wrong signals to producers; our farmers are proof positive that Western world agricultural producers can not just survive, but prosper once the price and incentive distorting subsidies are removed. President Bush is to be commended for his initiative in this regard, but I suspect he will very quickly come under great pressure from the US farm lobby, like so many northern hemisphere farmers, reluctant to wean themselves from the teat of taxpayer subsidies. NZ farmers stand as an example to the Western World that there is not just life after the removal of taxpayer funded support, but with innovation, technology implementation and hard work, good profits as well.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on who is meant by &quot;the worlds poorest nations&quot;. Zimbabwe and North Korea probably qualify, but no trade agreement will help them. Their problems are with their leadeship.



What is basically being proposed is that the First World price supports for farm products be done away with, allowing food from poorer countries to compete in First World markets, or even in their own markets. The US exports about 25% of its farm production, and these goods are subsidised by the US taxpayer.



The losers in this would be farmers in Western nations, and they have a lot of clout. The winners would be farmers in developing nations. Sounds like a good move to me, from a global perspective. But it seems like a risky proposal for a Republican president whose base is in the farming states. Which is why I don&#039;t think it will happen.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on who is meant by &#8220;the worlds poorest nations&#8221;. Zimbabwe and North Korea probably qualify, but no trade agreement will help them. Their problems are with their leadeship.</p>
<p>What is basically being proposed is that the First World price supports for farm products be done away with, allowing food from poorer countries to compete in First World markets, or even in their own markets. The US exports about 25% of its farm production, and these goods are subsidised by the US taxpayer.</p>
<p>The losers in this would be farmers in Western nations, and they have a lot of clout. The winners would be farmers in developing nations. Sounds like a good move to me, from a global perspective. But it seems like a risky proposal for a Republican president whose base is in the farming states. Which is why I don&#8217;t think it will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it as a sign that Geldof and Bono have grown up at least a bit that they now understand the importance of free trade and have embraced what has traditionally been a important Republican issue. Maybe they&#039;re smarter than I gave them credit for back when &quot;Do They Know It&#039;s Christmas?&quot; came out. Now they&#039;re on board with the likes of Larry Kudlow and President Bush. Now that&#039;s a coalition.



Ed, when I read that story Reagan&#039;s Zero Option came to mind, too. Like Peter G., I don&#039;t think it will accomplish much of practical value in the short term, but it does throw down the gauntlet and set the tone for the debate to come. I hope we will look back in ten years and see it as just as memorable. The problem, of course, is that we&#039;ve been fighting with the Euros and the Japanese on ag subsidies for decades now, and they&#039;re still an issue. Heck, ag subsidies are a domestic issue, too. There are many votes in red states on the Great Plains and in the Midwest that need to be kept in the fold. So I think Bush is right not to go unilateral with this. But he&#039;s begun by shaping the debateó preparing the battlefield, as they say in the military.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it as a sign that Geldof and Bono have grown up at least a bit that they now understand the importance of free trade and have embraced what has traditionally been a important Republican issue. Maybe they&#8217;re smarter than I gave them credit for back when &#8220;Do They Know It&#8217;s Christmas?&#8221; came out. Now they&#8217;re on board with the likes of Larry Kudlow and President Bush. Now that&#8217;s a coalition.</p>
<p>Ed, when I read that story Reagan&#8217;s Zero Option came to mind, too. Like Peter G., I don&#8217;t think it will accomplish much of practical value in the short term, but it does throw down the gauntlet and set the tone for the debate to come. I hope we will look back in ten years and see it as just as memorable. The problem, of course, is that we&#8217;ve been fighting with the Euros and the Japanese on ag subsidies for decades now, and they&#8217;re still an issue. Heck, ag subsidies are a domestic issue, too. There are many votes in red states on the Great Plains and in the Midwest that need to be kept in the fold. So I think Bush is right not to go unilateral with this. But he&#8217;s begun by shaping the debateó preparing the battlefield, as they say in the military.</p>
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