What do you mean?

I said exactly that in many more words earlier in this discussion.

Unless, of course, you are referring to the liberals themselves. Then again we already know, they have no stones.

thedaddy

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“The realistic side of my nature knows that he can’t win this fight and he is going to have to humble himself to the P.C. crowd. My idealistic side is sick with the thought that he has to do it.”

I think that’s exactly the argument you have to fight, because it is the most important element of the entire episode. The idea that we cannot say things that are true, but are also politically inconvenient.

And I strongly believe that you’re wrong, we can win this fight. Perhaps 10 or 20 years ago we couldn’t have, but I think Americans are generally fed with racial demagoguery and pandering. And I suspect the average American would be insulted by the notion that he can’t handle the truth. But of course, noone has the stones to actually say that that’s exactly the liberal party line.

“In this climate we have to be careful…” so eff-ing what? The only reason we have to be careful is we’ve surrendered political discourse and language to people who are hostile to us. But alas, noone’s willing to stand up to it, too afraid of the media…so we give more ground to fake charges, hoping it will just pass over.

In a perfect world, he wouldn’t give an inch, and the White House wouldn’t throw him under the bus for the real race baiters. We just had the opportunity of a lifetime to discredit their ilk. You think the majority of people in this country welcomed the Katrina racial demagoguery? Yet, once more the Republican Party took its licks, and swept it under the carpet with moderate language, too afraid of bad press to actually respond energetically.

Statistics – what do they prove? Well, just about anything the person wants to prove in misguided interpretations. The truth is usually lost in agenda driven political right and left narratives who weave stories in and out of the media cycle for all to see. I use to accept such 30sec knowledge as fact. I no longer do.

It will be interesting to see if blogs like PJMedia will be able to change this feature of 30sec soundbites and Mass Media fixation on 30sec research. OR will they become caught up in the same quick one liner morass?

The WEB in general should be able to combat these issues if it can cut through the media blitz with media ratings that are trustworthy. But then, who is doing the rating?

Speaking of rates, more specifically crime rates, try some links at the Bureau of Justice Statistics here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm and even better on homicide trends here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Ironic is it not that the site list race statistics? Does it tell the whole story? No, course not, but it does shed light on the truth of what is current in today’s society on a fundamental metric. Is it racist to collect such information? If not, then is it racist to draw hypothetical conclusions on such data? Better yet, is it racist to “point out that such hypotheticals are invalid?” Which is exactly what Bill Bennett did, he pointed out how such hypotheticals are completely wrong.

What are the reasons for such disparity? Poverty? Generational Nutured Inheritance(Father to son, or lack of Fatherhood)? Single Parent status? Religion? Ethical Breakdown? Educational opportunities? Police Enforcement? Job Opportunities? Regional racism? Regional Political Power?

It is very easy to point to poverty, but we all know criminals exist at all levels of socio-econmoic spectrums. Obviously it is much harder to rise out of a poverty-stricken, crime-ridden area and become a productive citizen than it is for someone without such pressures in life. It is much easier in such circumstances to fall into the criminal element when surrounded by such. Yet, still many come out of these circumstances to lead good, productive and moral lives. Why?

I personally do not believe Bennett is a racist based upon one of his discussions. He is prone to philosophical debates of a higher order than are usually provided on talk radio or TV newscast. He was trying to point out the weakness of arguments just like the one he made and at the very end he called morally reprehensible.

I do not know Bennett personally, nor much about his history. But I do know that he and his wife support an organization that works with those in poverty and of all colors. To specifically try and stop abortion, a personal cause of his.

In an argument made by the caller, Bennett used known statistics as part of an argument against such wide speculation.

Would it be more appopro to say if we aborted all white males we would have less pedophiles? Would there have been as much outrage? Honestly, I do not know the pedophile stats, but that is not really the point of my argument.

To me, it seems a leftist media(see Nawlin’s coverage for example) and a Democrat Propaganda machine are in full force to hurl accusations(racist and others) at anyone and anybody at the drop of a hat.

A little off subject to be sure, but having grown up in Louisiana I am fully aware of the internal problems in La. from a morally corrupt perspective. Racism exist, so does the last of the Democratic Cronies who openly flaunt there power and family connections. It is changing and thankfully so. But anyone with an inkling of a clue in regards to La. politics knows the real issues where not federally related at all, but massive corruption, ineptitude and incompetence on all levels, local and state.

One only need to look toward David Duke for straight answers in a racist state. One only need to look at the states economic policies for growth – casino las vegas, la. style.

Jefferson parish democrat Broussard’s Hollywood acting role made famous the lies of the local politico to the nation. He feigned horror and woe, when in reality he was lying.

If anyone checks on him I would not be surprised to find a whole list of improprieties long enough to shake alligator tails/tales at. Just my personal opinion with no basis in reality, except that of La. politics, specifically, southern La. politics.

Where does ramble on La. politics lead? Speculation! Is it possible that Howard Dean’s language has entered into safe ground among the whole democratic party? First Dean made inappropriate jokes about whites in trucks, guns and rebel flags, then he joked about blacks only attending republican fund raisors as paid wait staff. Then you have New Orleans, now Bennett? Where else will it pop up?

Finally, How is it a reverend of the cloth will complain about faux federalist racism in a city of Nawlin’s, yet have little at all to say about the local Democrat racist or the sin’s against God?

Anyone who understands the nature of the Bible, understands both old and new testament doctrine. Christ, Moses, none ever preached against poverty as a sin, but they all railed against Sexual Sins, Greed and Immoral conduct.

I do not remember “Rev’s” Sharpton or Jackson once taking on Bourbon Street or Las Vegas. Not once do I remember them taking on any kind of vice such as prostitution, alcohol, drugs on a national level. I never remember them railing against cities of sin.

Christ said help those who need help and he did critize hypocrites. But I can hardly see evidence of differences in racism between the John Kerry’s, Howard Dean’s and George Bush’s of the world.

All have silver spoons, neither raised in poverty, just the opposite. But we are somehow supposed to believe that Kerry, Howard Dean and the Democrats are more sympathetic to causes of racial disparity or poverty?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…. Funny I do not remember a bunch of blacks in Dean’s government or his Presidential campaign any more so than the President’s.

Howard Dean, Broussard, Pelosi…. fawning racist slurs against those over whom they have no moral superiority. It is fluff, fluff and dangerous rhetoric of the worst kind.

It is nauseating to the core and dirty politics.

Fight poverty, help those who need a helping hand, but the hypocritical handwaving and mouthing slurs and slanders of racism should not be leveled at someone without true cause.

The question in the end is not do blacks commit more crime – statistically – they do right now in our society, but not all areas and yes blacks are prone to be in poverty, thus a correlation.

At one time – the Irish committed more crimes in New York, not racist, a fact. The question is not whether or not its a racist statement to say so of either group.

No, the real question is how do we target a community in metropoliton areas with messages of hope, with encouragement, with education, with new opportunities, even “moral messages” secular or in a religious vein for those who believe and rather take a spiritual route.

Democrats are great at hurling accusations around. It would be good to hear some answers, some real solutions put forth.

Louisiana is historically in control by the democrats, especially the south. The problems of New Orleans were known for decades for its flood path and the people of poverty. Yet no democrat ever did a thing about it.

Howard Deanism or Deniacs have caught on to the democratic party and hurling accusations is now the norm for a party hell bent on self-destruction.

A further apology to Bostonian:

The “I’ve been Bennetted!” was typed with a “grin” following, but the “g” (within left and right arrows) was unfortunately stripped out. The declaration was meant in jest.

I had to read mrp’s post twice to be sure.

It seemed the guy thought those particular statistics actually had a bearing on this question.

I’ve been Bennetted!

The post was a response (helpful or otherwise) to Jamie Iron’s item (9/30 6:20pm) immediately prior to mine. If it didn’t have any bearing on a particular question that Bostonian had in mind, said fellow/lady has my apology.

The linked page is an index of the enormous suffering and fear borne daily by our fellow Americans living in the nation’s inner cities.

And neither I nor Bill Bennett believe that the abortion of a single innocent child will solve the scourges of poverty and drug trafficking in ANY American community.

thedaddy

The above only seems to apply to conservatives and Republicans.

This is the problem, not what Bennett said, but that there are those amongst us who, not content to disagree or prove incorrect what was said, seek to silence even to the point of advocating killing of the speaker. Only communists, socialists, muslims, thugs and gangsters advocate death to the speakers of things that shine the light of truth on their failings.

Where is the condemnation of Sharpton, Jackson, Conyers, Lee, Waters, Rangel, Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, Schumer, Clinton, various imams, leftwing bloggers and other members of that gang of vile racists for all the outrageous and hateful things they say on a regular basis by these same “SHOCKED” bleaters. The ones who jumped to condem Bennetts taken out of context statement. One does not have to take out of context the above mentioned pimples on the body politic to hear their seething rage, hate and even calls to violence in their spoken and written words.

It is time to repudiate PC.

The best way of course is to do exactly what Bennett did and come out fighting. The weenies will scurry away when their bleatings are repudiated and turned on them.

Rudy Guiliani did this from day one of his Mayorality and was labled “mean-spirited” for the entire time of his holding office by the usual suspects. So what. When I was a child the response to an insult was “Sticks an stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me”

Insults can only be taken, never given.

He didn’t let them change him or his agenda and was reelected and as we all know became the Leader after the above mentioned muslim advocates of death did the only thing they know how to do to pople they disagree with– destroy.

Keeping quiet and looking the other way does not solve problems. It is only by exposing rot and pus to the light of day that it can be removed.

I say right on Bill Bennett.

thedaddy

The above only seems to apply to conservatives and Republicans.

This is the problem, not what Bennett said, but that there are those amongst us who, not content to disagree or prove incorrect what was said, seek to silence even to the point of advocating killing of the speaker. Only communists, socialists, muslims, thugs and gangsters advocate death to the speakers of things that shine the light of truth on their failings.

Where is the condemnation of Sharpton, Jackson, Conyers, Lee, Waters, Rangel, Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, Schumer, Clinton, various imams, leftwing bloggers and other members of that gang of vile racists for all the outrageous and hateful things they say on a regular basis by these same “SHOCKED” bleaters. The ones who jumped to condem Bennetts taken out of context statement. One does not have to take out of context the above mentioned pimples on the body politic to hear their seething rage, hate and even calls to violence in their spoken and written words.

It is time to repudiate PC.

The best way of course is to do exactly what Bennett did and come out fighting. The weenies will scurry away when their bleatings are repudiated and turned on them.

Rudy Guiliani did this from day one of his Mayorality and was labled “mean-spirited” for the entire time of his holding office by the usual suspects. So what. When I was a child the response to an insult was “Sticks an stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me”

Insults can only be taken, never given.

He didn’t let them change him or his agenda and was reelected and as we all know became the Leader after the above mentioned muslim advocates of death did the only thing they know how to do to pople they disagree with– destroy.

Keeping quiet and looking the other way does not solve problems. It is only by exposing rot and pus to the light of day that it can be removed.

I say right on Bill Bennett.

thedaddy