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		<title>By: rosignol</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why should I be concerned here? Yes, the idea of the UN running the Internet gives one the shudders, but how can they do it? The only threat I have heard against US control is that other nations may decide to form </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why should I be concerned here? Yes, the idea of the UN running the Internet gives one the shudders, but how can they do it? The only threat I have heard against US control is that other nations may decide to form</i></p>
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		<title>By: LC Mamapajamas</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC Mamapajamas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew X: &quot;Yes, the idea of the UN running the Internet gives one the shudders, but how can they do it? &quot;



Good question.  I&#039;ve been rolling on the floor laughing hysterically since I heard about this.  How can the UN actually believe that they can somehow &quot;control&quot; the Internet?  Garden variety hackers would be ten steps ahead of them from day one, never mind the pros!  Sure, if they have the servers they could shut it down (and what good would it be to them shut down?), but &quot;control&quot; what&#039;s happening when its up?  LOL!






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew X: &#8220;Yes, the idea of the UN running the Internet gives one the shudders, but how can they do it? &#8221;</p>
<p>Good question.  I&#8217;ve been rolling on the floor laughing hysterically since I heard about this.  How can the UN actually believe that they can somehow &#8220;control&#8221; the Internet?  Garden variety hackers would be ten steps ahead of them from day one, never mind the pros!  Sure, if they have the servers they could shut it down (and what good would it be to them shut down?), but &#8220;control&#8221; what&#8217;s happening when its up?  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, I&#039;d consent to UN control over the Internet with three conditions:All current rules/policies to be initially accepted as-is.

ICANN empowered to decide relevent matters unless given specific guidance from the UN.

UN guidance to ICANN subject to veto by &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; member.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, I&#8217;d consent to UN control over the Internet with three conditions:All current rules/policies to be initially accepted as-is.</p>
<p>ICANN empowered to decide relevent matters unless given specific guidance from the UN.</p>
<p>UN guidance to ICANN subject to veto by <i>any</i> member.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Irons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should go them one better, and invite the &lt;a href=&quot;http://yargb.blogspot.com/2005/10/from-omar-at-iraq-model-help-is-on-way.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arab League&lt;/a&gt; to take over the &#039;Net.



Those fellows have demonstrated a talent for mismanagement, corruption, malevolence and fraud that surely rivals that of the UN.



Sometimes the &lt;i&gt;reductio ad absurdum&lt;/i&gt; is the boldest and best strategy.*



Jamie Irons







*G.H. Hardy: &quot;...reductio ad absurdum is one of a mathematician’s finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess gambit: a chess player may offer the sacrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but the mathematician offers the game.”
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should go them one better, and invite the <a href="http://yargb.blogspot.com/2005/10/from-omar-at-iraq-model-help-is-on-way.html" rel="nofollow">Arab League</a> to take over the &#8216;Net.</p>
<p>Those fellows have demonstrated a talent for mismanagement, corruption, malevolence and fraud that surely rivals that of the UN.</p>
<p>Sometimes the <i>reductio ad absurdum</i> is the boldest and best strategy.*</p>
<p>Jamie Irons</p>
<p>*G.H. Hardy: &#8220;&#8230;reductio ad absurdum is one of a mathematician’s finest weapons. It is a far finer gambit than any chess gambit: a chess player may offer the sacrifice of a pawn or even a piece, but the mathematician offers the game.”</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patrick Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gage didn&#039;t contribute to the code in Berkeley Unix, but he spent plenty of time hanging around the computer rooms in Evans Hall, gabbing with Joy and pondering the political implications of the computer revolution. Gage, a mathematical statistics graduate student at Berkeley, was also a hippie radical from way back -- involved in both the Free Speech Movement and the antiwar protests. He was a delegate for Bobby Kennedy at the Democratic Convention in 1968 and deputy press secretary for presidential candidate George McGovern in 1972.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;After three hours in Gage&#039;s favorite Berkeley coffee shop exploring what the Internet means for individual liberty and what role Berkeley Unix played in catalyzing the Internet&#039;s growth, Gage rolls his memories back to perhaps the single most-famous moment in Berkeley&#039;s history of activism.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;He starts quoting the speech Mario Savio gave on the steps of the administration building overlooking Sproul Plaza. He hunches over the table, his eyes blazing with a sudden visceral intensity:&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;&quot;&#039;There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious,&#039;&quot; declaims Gage, &quot;&#039;makes you so sick at heart, that you can&#039;t take part; you can&#039;t even passively take part, and you&#039;ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you&#039;ve got to make it stop. And you&#039;ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you&#039;re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!&#039;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;Gage grins. Berkeley Unix, he proposes, offered a different way forward from the painful agony of hurling oneself into the operation of a demonic crankshaft. Berkeley Unix, with its source code available to all who wanted it, was the &quot;gears and levers&quot; of the machine. By promoting access to the source code, to the inner workings of that machine, the free-software/open-source movement empowered people to place their hands on the gears and levers, to take control of their computers, their Internet, their entire technological infrastructure.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;&quot;The open-source movement is a free speech movement,&quot; says Gage. &quot;Source code looks like poetry, but it&#039;s also a machine -- words that do. Unix opens up the discourse in the machinery because the words in Unix literally cause action, and those actions will cause other actions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;Savio is dead. The Free Speech Movement is half-forgotten. Few, if any, of its participants would have predicted at the time that a network of computers might prove to be free speech&#039;s greatest friend and best weapon. Indeed, Savio&#039;s &quot;machine&quot; was in part a metaphor for what he saw as the dehumanization inherent in information technology: The University of California was IBM, the students were punch cards, both literally and figuratively, fed into the machine, not to be folded, spindled or mutilated.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;The Berkeley Unix hackers, by helping to unleash the power of the Internet, rehumanized the &quot;machine.&quot; Those &quot;words that do&quot; instigated connectivity and provoked communication. Somewhere, Savio is smiling.&lt;/i&gt;



&#8212;Andrew Leonard, &lt;i&gt;Salon&lt;/i&gt;, May 16, 2000



http://www.salon.com/tech/fsp/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/print.html



My association with computing began in those computer rooms in Evans Hall in 1977 and I&#039;d already begun to walk away from that association when (what a surprise) nothing happened on 1/1/00 and when (what a surprise) something did on 3/10/00.  When I read the above article that May I was reminded of the great good done by people I&#039;d occaisionally seen and listened to to make so much information available to anyone and everyone with access to an IP address.



Now, perhaps, that great good is threatened.  I write perhaps because the folks headquartered even further up the road (El Segundo is on more-or-less the same road)in Marina Del Rey (ICANN) were, in my view, a possible threat to that great good back in May 2000 and not much regarding them seems to have changed since so I&#039;m not sure that this challenge might not, in the end, result in a more open, democratic and independent single custodian of the assigned names and numbers.  Stranger things have happened.



ICANN in May 2000...



http://www.cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml



There&#039;s something happening here...



http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html



Does paranoia strike deep?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gage didn&#8217;t contribute to the code in Berkeley Unix, but he spent plenty of time hanging around the computer rooms in Evans Hall, gabbing with Joy and pondering the political implications of the computer revolution. Gage, a mathematical statistics graduate student at Berkeley, was also a hippie radical from way back &#8212; involved in both the Free Speech Movement and the antiwar protests. He was a delegate for Bobby Kennedy at the Democratic Convention in 1968 and deputy press secretary for presidential candidate George McGovern in 1972.</i></p>
<p><i>After three hours in Gage&#8217;s favorite Berkeley coffee shop exploring what the Internet means for individual liberty and what role Berkeley Unix played in catalyzing the Internet&#8217;s growth, Gage rolls his memories back to perhaps the single most-famous moment in Berkeley&#8217;s history of activism.</i></p>
<p><i>He starts quoting the speech Mario Savio gave on the steps of the administration building overlooking Sproul Plaza. He hunches over the table, his eyes blazing with a sudden visceral intensity:</i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8216;There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious,&#8217;&#8221; declaims Gage, &#8220;&#8216;makes you so sick at heart, that you can&#8217;t take part; you can&#8217;t even passively take part, and you&#8217;ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you&#8217;ve got to make it stop. And you&#8217;ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you&#8217;re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!&#8217;&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>Gage grins. Berkeley Unix, he proposes, offered a different way forward from the painful agony of hurling oneself into the operation of a demonic crankshaft. Berkeley Unix, with its source code available to all who wanted it, was the &#8220;gears and levers&#8221; of the machine. By promoting access to the source code, to the inner workings of that machine, the free-software/open-source movement empowered people to place their hands on the gears and levers, to take control of their computers, their Internet, their entire technological infrastructure.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;The open-source movement is a free speech movement,&#8221; says Gage. &#8220;Source code looks like poetry, but it&#8217;s also a machine &#8212; words that do. Unix opens up the discourse in the machinery because the words in Unix literally cause action, and those actions will cause other actions.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>Savio is dead. The Free Speech Movement is half-forgotten. Few, if any, of its participants would have predicted at the time that a network of computers might prove to be free speech&#8217;s greatest friend and best weapon. Indeed, Savio&#8217;s &#8220;machine&#8221; was in part a metaphor for what he saw as the dehumanization inherent in information technology: The University of California was IBM, the students were punch cards, both literally and figuratively, fed into the machine, not to be folded, spindled or mutilated.</i></p>
<p><i>The Berkeley Unix hackers, by helping to unleash the power of the Internet, rehumanized the &#8220;machine.&#8221; Those &#8220;words that do&#8221; instigated connectivity and provoked communication. Somewhere, Savio is smiling.</i></p>
<p>&mdash;Andrew Leonard, <i>Salon</i>, May 16, 2000</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/fsp/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/print.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/tech/fsp/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/print.html</a></p>
<p>My association with computing began in those computer rooms in Evans Hall in 1977 and I&#8217;d already begun to walk away from that association when (what a surprise) nothing happened on 1/1/00 and when (what a surprise) something did on 3/10/00.  When I read the above article that May I was reminded of the great good done by people I&#8217;d occaisionally seen and listened to to make so much information available to anyone and everyone with access to an IP address.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps, that great good is threatened.  I write perhaps because the folks headquartered even further up the road (El Segundo is on more-or-less the same road)in Marina Del Rey (ICANN) were, in my view, a possible threat to that great good back in May 2000 and not much regarding them seems to have changed since so I&#8217;m not sure that this challenge might not, in the end, result in a more open, democratic and independent single custodian of the assigned names and numbers.  Stranger things have happened.</p>
<p>ICANN in May 2000&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cookreport.com/isoccontrol.shtml</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s something happening here&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html</a></p>
<p>Does paranoia strike deep?</p>
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		<title>By: OrangeEnt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. I also blogged this subject more than once.



http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/un-confiscates-americans-registered.html



http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/america-must-control-internet.html



http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/10/un-tries-to-strong-arm-us-over.html



The fact of the matter is, not just that someone else wants to control the internet, but that the ones pushing for it are evildoers. The illegitimate governments of China, Cuba, Zimbabwe and the like have no intention of making the internet more free, they want to use it to stamp in the face of freedom. We have to do something about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I also blogged this subject more than once.</p>
<p><a href="http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/un-confiscates-americans-registered.html" rel="nofollow">http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/un-confiscates-americans-registered.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/america-must-control-internet.html" rel="nofollow">http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/09/america-must-control-internet.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/10/un-tries-to-strong-arm-us-over.html" rel="nofollow">http://ahshoot.blogspot.com/2005/10/un-tries-to-strong-arm-us-over.html</a></p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, not just that someone else wants to control the internet, but that the ones pushing for it are evildoers. The illegitimate governments of China, Cuba, Zimbabwe and the like have no intention of making the internet more free, they want to use it to stamp in the face of freedom. We have to do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela aka "Atlas"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela aka "Atlas"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been going on since February will little attention being paid.........I&#039;ve been all over like a cheap suit

Go here for the 411

&lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UN, World Body to Silence the Internet and Blogs; Information Control
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been going on since February will little attention being paid&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;ve been all over like a cheap suit</p>
<p>Go here for the 411</p>
<p><a / rel="nofollow">UN, World Body to Silence the Internet and Blogs; Information Control</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew X</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Andy Freeman up there or someone else can help me here, and please do try to keep the jargon to a minimum</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Freeman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone can set up a root server, the questions/issues are

(1) Who will use it

(2) What will it contain



A country might force all of the resident ISPs to use the &quot;national&quot; root server, but that doesn&#039;t stop individuals from getting their DNS from somewhere else.  If they take technical means to stop that, folks will start using hosts.txt (a local file to satisfy dns requests).  At some point, they&#039;ll have to block/reroute packets from going to the &quot;wrong&quot; IP addresses, and there are a lot of &quot;wrong&quot; addresses (including folks that do packet forwarding) and they&#039;re constantly changing.



Note that a &quot;corrupt&quot; root server (resolving &quot;free-tibet.org&quot; as &quot;police.&quot;) would provoke much the same response.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone can set up a root server, the questions/issues are</p>
<p>(1) Who will use it</p>
<p>(2) What will it contain</p>
<p>A country might force all of the resident ISPs to use the &#8220;national&#8221; root server, but that doesn&#8217;t stop individuals from getting their DNS from somewhere else.  If they take technical means to stop that, folks will start using hosts.txt (a local file to satisfy dns requests).  At some point, they&#8217;ll have to block/reroute packets from going to the &#8220;wrong&#8221; IP addresses, and there are a lot of &#8220;wrong&#8221; addresses (including folks that do packet forwarding) and they&#8217;re constantly changing.</p>
<p>Note that a &#8220;corrupt&#8221; root server (resolving &#8220;free-tibet.org&#8221; as &#8220;police.&#8221;) would provoke much the same response.</p>
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