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1. Cosmo:

And it looks like they’ll have the means to do it sometime soon, too. So much for EU-3’s ’soft power’ and UN’s talking-shop anti-proliferation efforts.

What ever happended to “faster, please”?

Oct 26, 2005 - 5:54 am 2. dubhail:

This toxic nutter seems determined to steal bin Laden’s crown as the world’s no.1 Islamic loony. His published views are identical. It seems the world will have to face country-sized al Quaeda with nukes soon. As Mark Steyn always says, if you want to know what these guys are trying to do just listen to what they say and take it at face value.

Oct 26, 2005 - 6:12 am 3. Macker:

Eventually, the Israelis will tell Iran to put up or shut up.

Faster, please!

Oct 26, 2005 - 7:00 am 4. Plainslow:

I agree with Macker. I do wonder, however, if we said say North Korea needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, would’nt they have the right to consider that a declaration of war? So can’t Isreal do the same with Iran? I’m pretty confident, they don’t have to wait a few years to “wipe them off the face of the earth”

Oct 26, 2005 - 8:49 am 5. Bruce Wechsler:

I was thinking the same thing as Plainslow. I used to think it was a Casus Belli for one nation’s leader to say such things about, or to overtly incite/promote violence against, another. But in Israel’s case, it doesn’t carry much weight. World leaders assume that Israel will be the adult.

It’s just about time for an untraceable explosion beneath the feet of Ahmadinejad and a few select mullahs. Once the inevitable confusion ensues, take out the known (and suspected) nuclear sites. I hope Bush musters the will to enable others to do so before his days are over in the WH. If Iran could do it to Israel or the U.S., they would in a heartbeat…so the only reason we don’t do it first is because he’s not YET capable? Dangerous and stupid game.

Oct 26, 2005 - 9:47 am 6. neo-neocon:

Iran has been consistently clear on the saber-rattling (or is it nuclear bomb-rattling?). Who was that former head of state (I just Googled it, but couldn’t find the info) who said that it would be worth getting into a nuclear war with Israel and losing 10% of Iran’s citizens in order to destroy Israel? However, if I recall correctly, at least he said it in some sort of private interview, rather than as an official pronouncement.

How does Iran’s President get the boldness to say this out loud, unashamedly? You’d think it would be too un-PC. The answer, I’m afraid, is that he knows it has become more acceptable to speak of this in polite society–and not just polite Islamic society.

Oct 26, 2005 - 10:19 am 7. Jeremy:

It seems this is the formula for creating unity and hype in that part of the world. Iran needs an enemy and when all else fails use Israel…it’s getting old. And I have no doubt Israel will attack before they become a serious threat.

Oct 26, 2005 - 10:53 am 8. Kevin P:

Roger:

When President Bush included Iran in the axis of evil speech he was ridiculed and attacked by much of the left. Now that the head of Iran has reaffirmed Iran’s goal for the elimination of Israel will the left change their mind. No, because many of them agree with the new leader of Iran. If that sad day ever happens the Rachel Corrie crowd will be singing and dancing in joy.

Will this get press coverage in the MSM? Of course not. Will the EU’s willfully blind approach to negotiating with Iran and giving them financial cookies when they know in the end that Iran has no intention of ending their nuke program stop? Of course not.

This is just another addition to the millions of death threats to the State of Israel that have been proudly stated over the last 5 decades. The “push them into the sea” chant has never stopped, there has just been tactical muting of that sentiment to con the west that the words that they loudly shout really don’t mean a thing, it’s just a little venting. These words will be forgotten and down the road this schmuck will be praised for signing some worthless proclomation that will be shredded and ignored at the proper time.

They want to kill all the Jews. They want Israel wiped off the map. How many more times do these words have to be heard before the west gets it. THEY WANT THE JEWS DEAD AND GONE. Peace treaties are a tactic to achieve that end.

Oct 26, 2005 - 11:02 am 9. ex-democrat:

i agree with kevin and others. the scales fell from my eyes – not on september 11 – but when iran sentenced a foreign novelist to death for blasphemy: Giuliani’s “Broken Windows” theory on a global scale.

Oct 26, 2005 - 11:38 am 10. Mark Poling:

Refresh my memory: wasn’t this guy being called a moderate by most in the media right after the Iranian election?

Oct 26, 2005 - 11:57 am 11. Kevin P:

Mark Poling:

I don’t remember any stories calling him a moderate. But they did try to peddle the myth that the vote for him was not because of his openly stated wish to exterminate the Jews but his promise to end corruption. Many of the members of the press and the chattering classes will always bend over backwards to ignore the elephant standing in the room. They will say almost anything other then the truth. That most ME leaders would love to see Israel wiped off the map. Some have abandoned the effort out of the shame of failing so many times or because of fear of retribution but the desire never left their hearts.

Oct 26, 2005 - 12:44 pm 12. neo-neocon:

I think it especially interesting–and perhaps ironic?–that this announcement comes at the same time as the news that the nuclear bunker buster program is not being funded. The two are somewhat connected, since the latter was meant especially to combat Iran’s underground nuclear facilities.

Also, I thought the responses to the Iranian President’s announcement were–interesting.

See here for more.

Oct 26, 2005 - 1:48 pm 13. Terrye:

the guy is a freaking nut. Taht of course means he is living in the right neighborhood.

If the Jews were gone what would these people do? The dame damn thing they were doing before there was an Israel to blame all their problems on.

Which was killing Brits among other things.

Oct 26, 2005 - 1:59 pm 14. Coisty:

That he was elected by the Iranian people precisely because of his Islamism is just more evidence that the region is not ready, and may never be ready, for democracy. Yeah, yeah, according to Bush, Condoleezza and the rest of the know-it-all ideologues if you deny the universalism of democracy you’re a big bad racist. So be it. I’d rather live in the real world being smeared by the democracy fetishists than succumb to the fantasies of the Weekly Standard crowd. Does anyone really believe that a democratic Saudi Arabia would be more willing to make peace with Israel and the infidel West?

Our liberties in the “Anglo-Saxon” world are the result of centuries of thought, struggles, and habits. The Trotskyist neocons don’t seem to understand this (assuming they are honest when they say the ME needs democratisation). Each culture has its own way of doing things, and perhaps some day Iran and Iraq will be more democratic but it’ll happen organically or not at all. I doubt the Israelis are dumb enough to believe that Western-style democracy in the ME will one day make them more secure.

Oct 26, 2005 - 2:44 pm 15. ex-democrat:

coisty – i,m quite sure you’re wrong but let’s play what if? let’s assume you’re right. what then?

what is your plan for defending the non-islamic world against islamic totalitarianism in the nuclear age?

(this should be good)

Oct 26, 2005 - 3:37 pm 16. Bostonian:

Coisty,

Your argument starts by assuming that the Iranians did *fairly* elect the guy who now holds the office of president.

That assumption is highly suspect. I doubt very much that most voters really like the guy at all.

The Muslims next door to them have rejected purely religious leaders, who generally inflict misery wherever they take hold.

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As for letting things take their natural course, have you heard of Japan?

Oct 26, 2005 - 3:47 pm 17. gk:

*Sigh*

Where is General Jack Ripper when you need em’?

What I wouldn’t give to have a SAC base commander go beserk and inact “Wing Attack Plan R” against Iran’s loopy Ayatollah’s. Just sayin’.

Oct 26, 2005 - 6:43 pm 18. ex-democrat:

gk – is it time for a drink of grain alcohol and rain water?

Oct 26, 2005 - 7:47 pm 19. Mark Razak:

So Iran, and by extension, the Islamic world, has held a Wannsee Conference of its own. Add to that the de facto alliance between the Left and radical Islam, a sort of new version of the Nazi-Soviet pact, and I wonder if history is beginning to repeat itself. Just like 70 years ago, the reaction of the world will be nil. Where are the howls of the Left’s mighty indignation? If the Left voices any outrage (along with the usual modifier but), it does so because it fears that Ahmadinejad’s genocidal comments might strengthen the Bush Administration’s position on the WoT and OIF, not because of any moral outrage. I wonder (not really though) what the world’s and the Left’s reaction would be if Ariel Sharon had publicly called for Iran’s extermination. Time and time again these megalomaniacal extremists have told us about their goals and ambitions and the world sleeps. And time and time again countless people end up dying because of it. What does the world believe? Does it believe that if Israel one morning was utterly destroyed, its people murdered in their beds without warning without provocation that that would end Islamic extremism? That they would stop with Israel?

Oct 26, 2005 - 9:09 pm 20. Luther McLeod:

Excellent points, Mark Razak. And we all know the answers to your questions. The world sleeps.

Oct 26, 2005 - 9:19 pm 21. Coisty:

ex-democrat – “what is your plan for defending the non-islamic world against islamic totalitarianism in the nuclear age?

(this should be good)”

Well, ex-democrat, there are no easy answers. My view is that we – the West – should stay out of ME affairs as much as possible. Don’t worry about Israel it can survive without US subsidies.

To me the most important issue for both the US and Europe is immigration. Do not allow Muslims to live in the West and that alone limits the problem we have with Muslims and their depraved political culture.

What to do about Iran? Jeez! I’m hoping the US and Israel together find some way to destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities. I only intended to point out that democracy in and of itself (brought about through the deaths of thousands of Americans) is no silver bullet. Keep in mind that most non-Jewish Middle Easterners have a low IQ level. In many (most?) cases they are the products of first cousin marriages. They see Israel as a permanent enemy and there is nothing the West can do about that. No logical argument will get through to them. Democracy will not save the West nor will it make Israel secure. Muslims understand one language and that is the language of successful Violence. Unfortunately the last time Westerners (ie the Serbs) gave them a good dose of it the West (led by the idiots Clinton and Blair) intervened to save them.

Oct 26, 2005 - 9:32 pm 22. Gary Rosen:

Coisty, if you want people to think that you’re actually pro-Israel, you shouldn’t give the game away with phrases like “Trotskyist neocons”. Is Coisty a pseudonym for Ahmadinejad, or Buchanan?

Oct 27, 2005 - 12:46 am 23. Former CNN Watcher:

I mentioned this to a friend and – no joke – he blamed it on Bush.

Oct 27, 2005 - 2:18 am 24. mrsizer:

Which way do weather patterns move in the ME?

I’d think Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudia Arabia and perhaps Turkey would be very much against a nuclear attack on Isreal.

The various ’stans wouldn’t be too happy with the fallout from the retailiation.

How much of this is Krushchev (sp?) type shoe pounding?

Oct 27, 2005 - 6:38 am 25. Bostonian:

Coisty says, just like it’s a proven fact: “Keep in mind that most non-Jewish Middle Easterners have a low IQ level. ”

Coisty, on what basis do you make this astonishing statement?

***

I do enjoy seeing how the Left really feels about those brown people.

Oct 27, 2005 - 8:06 am 26. Kevin P:

Roger:

The region is not ready for Democracy, look at Iran. Iran is a fake Democracy. It is a oligharchy with a democratic front. The Iranian population voted for a reform government and watched the Mullahs restrict every reform. The “Guardian Council’ or whatever it is called has the only real power in the country. It would be as if our Supreme Court was a self selecting group that had legislative veto power, had the ability to eliminate any opposition candidate at a whim, and had their own private militia to enforce their will. To use Iran as an example of Middle East Democracy makes as much sense as saying Saddam’s Iraq was a democracy because he had a constitution and elections.

Oct 27, 2005 - 2:02 pm

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