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		<title>By: Italiano</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69997</link>
		<dc:creator>Italiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the north-east of Italy. During the last  15 years a great number of muslims come to work and fill un-qualified jobs.

So, i send a message ofr the Americans: never, never permits in the future a mass-immigration of muslims.The muslism rise drammatically the level of criminality by raping italian girls, sells drugs to our boys at the shadow of Church, they conquer entire palace or city-zone and expelling all the native population.

before their coming, you can go out in the street even at the 3 am and never happened to you; now the people are scary about street-violence, and our politicans nevr do anything to stop this.

And now mosques are blooming from sicily to norway, and you can&#039;t know what they do into this refugees.

In France, germany, holland, UK this situation happened since 70&#039;s.

So, the europeans now knows the hate of Islam that will be destroy our culture.If europe was more strong and determinate to defend our culture, now we never see this.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the north-east of Italy. During the last  15 years a great number of muslims come to work and fill un-qualified jobs.</p>
<p>So, i send a message ofr the Americans: never, never permits in the future a mass-immigration of muslims.The muslism rise drammatically the level of criminality by raping italian girls, sells drugs to our boys at the shadow of Church, they conquer entire palace or city-zone and expelling all the native population.</p>
<p>before their coming, you can go out in the street even at the 3 am and never happened to you; now the people are scary about street-violence, and our politicans nevr do anything to stop this.</p>
<p>And now mosques are blooming from sicily to norway, and you can&#8217;t know what they do into this refugees.</p>
<p>In France, germany, holland, UK this situation happened since 70&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So, the europeans now knows the hate of Islam that will be destroy our culture.If europe was more strong and determinate to defend our culture, now we never see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69996</link>
		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monkyboy, no, I do not think democracy is doomed to fail in Muslim countries. There is more to a person than his or her religion, after all.  I already noted that people adhere to their religions in varying degrees; did you miss that part?



In Vino Veritas,

I don&#039;t remember the IRA ever claiming that what they were doing was God&#039;s will. If they had done so, of course I would have wanted to hear Catholics worldwide denouncing them. (It takes little imagination to realize that Catholics would have in fact done just that.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkyboy, no, I do not think democracy is doomed to fail in Muslim countries. There is more to a person than his or her religion, after all.  I already noted that people adhere to their religions in varying degrees; did you miss that part?</p>
<p>In Vino Veritas,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the IRA ever claiming that what they were doing was God&#8217;s will. If they had done so, of course I would have wanted to hear Catholics worldwide denouncing them. (It takes little imagination to realize that Catholics would have in fact done just that.)</p>
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		<title>By: In Vino Veritas</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69995</link>
		<dc:creator>In Vino Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious Bostonian, were so adamant that Catholics worldwide condemn the IRA?  Did you believe their silence on IRA terrorism was a tacit endorsement of it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious Bostonian, were so adamant that Catholics worldwide condemn the IRA?  Did you believe their silence on IRA terrorism was a tacit endorsement of it?</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69994</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying that any attempt to bring democracy to a Muslim country, like Iraq, is doomed to fail?



I agree, Bostonian.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying that any attempt to bring democracy to a Muslim country, like Iraq, is doomed to fail?</p>
<p>I agree, Bostonian.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69993</link>
		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monkyboy,



I am going to try again to make a distinction (if possible) to a member of the nuance-understanding community.



The distinction is between 1) a belief system and 2) the adherants of the belief system. Do you have that fixed in your head? Good. Now, let&#039;s go over it again.



A very small minority of the believers tell us that it goes against Allah for people to write their own laws. It puts the writers of the law on the level with Allah himself. Secular law of any kind is the vilest apostasy, or so these people say.



In the name of their religion, to please Allah, these people commit bombings, beheadings, kidnappings, more beheadings, etc. etc.



The majority of the believers, on the other hand, commit no violent acts and are quite innocent. (No, they should not be rounded up into detention centers; that is crazy talk. If you read Fallaci more closely, I doubt that you will find any such talk.)



Disturbingly, however, this majority does not particularly condemn the violent acts of the minority. In particular, this majority does not say unequivocally that these violent acts go against the belief system itself. This majority does not say to us, the kaffirs, that in fact these radicals are apostates.



So the question remains unanswered: does this belief system (Islam) logically call for a war against the non-Islamic world or not? Can this belief system co-exist peacefully with others or not?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkyboy,</p>
<p>I am going to try again to make a distinction (if possible) to a member of the nuance-understanding community.</p>
<p>The distinction is between 1) a belief system and 2) the adherants of the belief system. Do you have that fixed in your head? Good. Now, let&#8217;s go over it again.</p>
<p>A very small minority of the believers tell us that it goes against Allah for people to write their own laws. It puts the writers of the law on the level with Allah himself. Secular law of any kind is the vilest apostasy, or so these people say.</p>
<p>In the name of their religion, to please Allah, these people commit bombings, beheadings, kidnappings, more beheadings, etc. etc.</p>
<p>The majority of the believers, on the other hand, commit no violent acts and are quite innocent. (No, they should not be rounded up into detention centers; that is crazy talk. If you read Fallaci more closely, I doubt that you will find any such talk.)</p>
<p>Disturbingly, however, this majority does not particularly condemn the violent acts of the minority. In particular, this majority does not say unequivocally that these violent acts go against the belief system itself. This majority does not say to us, the kaffirs, that in fact these radicals are apostates.</p>
<p>So the question remains unanswered: does this belief system (Islam) logically call for a war against the non-Islamic world or not? Can this belief system co-exist peacefully with others or not?</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess your understanding of Islam is about the same level as your understanding of anger management techniques, Bostonian.  Mindless hate is not confined to just one religion.



I&#039;d like to think the mindless hate Fallaci spews won&#039;t find supporters in America, but slavery and &quot;The only good Indian is a dead Indian&quot; come to mind.



The low turnout at that odious gathering is a good sign.  Maybe America is beyond mindless bigotry and we can avoid getting dragged into other countries&#039; primitive squabbles once we withdraw from Iraq.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess your understanding of Islam is about the same level as your understanding of anger management techniques, Bostonian.  Mindless hate is not confined to just one religion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to think the mindless hate Fallaci spews won&#8217;t find supporters in America, but slavery and &#8220;The only good Indian is a dead Indian&#8221; come to mind.</p>
<p>The low turnout at that odious gathering is a good sign.  Maybe America is beyond mindless bigotry and we can avoid getting dragged into other countries&#8217; primitive squabbles once we withdraw from Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69991</link>
		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I await an explanation of how these two things are one and the same:



*Drawing attention to a murderous ideology that happens to be a religion and noting that its adherants are not, by and large, disavowing the violence



and



*Calling all adherants of that religion &quot;violent subhumans&quot;



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But let me put it another way. Is Osama Bin Laden an apostate?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I await an explanation of how these two things are one and the same:</p>
<p>*Drawing attention to a murderous ideology that happens to be a religion and noting that its adherants are not, by and large, disavowing the violence</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>*Calling all adherants of that religion &#8220;violent subhumans&#8221;</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>But let me put it another way. Is Osama Bin Laden an apostate?</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/29/two-great-links-for-today/#comment-69990</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I await an explaination as to why labeling people violent sub-humans bent on taking over the world just because they belong to a particular religion is acceptable.



It&#039;s no wonder such a small crowd turned out to see that fading harpy of hate. She may have been great once, but what a religious bigot she&#039;s turned into in her final days.



Even an atheist like Fallaci might want to hedge her bet this close to the final curtain....








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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I await an explaination as to why labeling people violent sub-humans bent on taking over the world just because they belong to a particular religion is acceptable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder such a small crowd turned out to see that fading harpy of hate. She may have been great once, but what a religious bigot she&#8217;s turned into in her final days.</p>
<p>Even an atheist like Fallaci might want to hedge her bet this close to the final curtain&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wechsler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wechsler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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Nicely said Bostonian.



I await monkyboy&#039;s response with less-than-bated breath.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said Bostonian.</p>
<p>I await monkyboy&#8217;s response with less-than-bated breath.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A small, hate-filled leader reading passages from her very own Mein Kampf...&quot;



I must have missed the part where Fallaci describes her own plans for global domination.



But speaking of global domination, I have heard a lot of extremist Muslims talk about how democracy is the vilest apostasy that must be stopped, and about not resting until the entire world is Muslim, because Allah wills it.



And come to think of it, those guys chop heads off schoolgirls; blow up train stations, buses, dance clubs, embassies, and pizzarias; and issue fatwas against people who &quot;defame&quot; their religion.



***

Are you sure you&#039;re on the right side?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A small, hate-filled leader reading passages from her very own Mein Kampf&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I must have missed the part where Fallaci describes her own plans for global domination.</p>
<p>But speaking of global domination, I have heard a lot of extremist Muslims talk about how democracy is the vilest apostasy that must be stopped, and about not resting until the entire world is Muslim, because Allah wills it.</p>
<p>And come to think of it, those guys chop heads off schoolgirls; blow up train stations, buses, dance clubs, embassies, and pizzarias; and issue fatwas against people who &#8220;defame&#8221; their religion.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re on the right side?</p>
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