Comments on: Gary Busey commits career suicide http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:06:12 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: RKV http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74870 RKV Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:38:40 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74870 Late hit Mike G. But I'll bite. I personally don't care if someone makes The Turner Diaries into a movie. You, on the other hand seem to be ready to throw out the First Amendment whenever it suits you. Sorry but freedom of speech protects even offensive trash like The Turner Diaries. I would be a good thing for the folks who would make such a movie, because the result would be to impoverish the nazi bastards. The Turner Diaries would be like Springtime for Hitler was supposed to be in The Producers - a loser. Late hit Mike G. But I’ll bite. I personally don’t care if someone makes The Turner Diaries into a movie. You, on the other hand seem to be ready to throw out the First Amendment whenever it suits you. Sorry but freedom of speech protects even offensive trash like The Turner Diaries. I would be a good thing for the folks who would make such a movie, because the result would be to impoverish the nazi bastards. The Turner Diaries would be like Springtime for Hitler was supposed to be in The Producers – a loser.

]]> By: Mike G in Corvallis http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74869 Mike G in Corvallis Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:34:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74869 RKV wrote: <blockquote>It's a movie folks. An entertainment. A show. You know, like FANTASY? You and I don't like the message; others are willing to pay money to see it.</blockquote> Hey, RKV ... When is Hollywood going to option the movie rights for <i>The Turner Diaries</i>? It's just a movie, right? RKV wrote:

It’s a movie folks. An entertainment. A show. You know, like FANTASY? You and I don’t like the message; others are willing to pay money to see it.

Hey, RKV … When is Hollywood going to option the movie rights for The Turner Diaries? It’s just a movie, right?

]]> By: markus http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74868 markus Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:37:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74868 Gary -- I support a near absolute right to free speech for anti-Islamists, and their opponents, and antisemites, and their opponents. I think it politically smart and morally right for each of these parties to be treated equally only under the law. And I align my self with those harmed or threatened by others who find their speech to be stupid or offensive, including Flemming Rose and the cartoonists. But I thought the cartoons did lack substance, and some of them seemed designed primarily to inflame predicted sensibilities. One might say that the difference between the work that Theo Van Gogh produced and died for and the cartoons was akin to the difference between Moynihan/Glazer's 1965 Report on black America, and a contemporaneous George Wallace screed. In each case, both are worthy of protection, one is thoughtful, the other isn't. Gary — I support a near absolute right to free speech for anti-Islamists, and their opponents, and antisemites, and their opponents. I think it politically smart and morally right for each of these parties to be treated equally only under the law. And I align my self with those harmed or threatened by others who find their speech to be stupid or offensive, including Flemming Rose and the cartoonists. But I thought the cartoons did lack substance, and some of them seemed designed primarily to inflame predicted sensibilities. One might say that the difference between the work that Theo Van Gogh produced and died for and the cartoons was akin to the difference between Moynihan/Glazer’s 1965 Report on black America, and a contemporaneous George Wallace screed. In each case, both are worthy of protection, one is thoughtful, the other isn’t.

]]> By: Gary Rosen http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74867 Gary Rosen Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:33:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74867 "markus" wrote: "We'll be hearing this line again, and again, and again, thanks to those eloquent anti-Muslim cartoons, and those wonderful European laws against antisemitic thought crimes." So are you saying that if only we had no laws against antisemitic speech, and didn't publish any cartoons "offensive" to Muslims in obscure Danish newspapers, that the Islamic extremists wouldn't have anything to say, that Ahmenijad would be silenced? If you really believe that, what a pathetic ignoramus you are! The hate-crime laws and cartoons are not reasons, they are excuses. Antisemitism needs no logic, indeed it is antilogical, as its adherents have been proving for the last four millennia. On the other hand, maybe you are not such an ignoramus. Maybe you actually want antisemitic hatred to go unchallenged while the West shrinks from even the mildest criticism of Islamist fanatics so long as someone, somewhere, finds it "offensive". This posture certainly would be consistent with every word I have seen you post on this blog and others. “markus” wrote:

“We’ll be hearing this line again, and again, and again, thanks to those eloquent anti-Muslim cartoons, and those wonderful European laws against antisemitic thought crimes.”

So are you saying that if only we had no laws against antisemitic speech, and didn’t publish any cartoons “offensive” to Muslims in obscure Danish newspapers, that the Islamic extremists wouldn’t have anything to say, that Ahmenijad would be silenced? If you really believe that, what a pathetic ignoramus you are! The hate-crime laws and cartoons are not reasons, they are excuses. Antisemitism needs no logic, indeed it is antilogical, as its adherents have been proving for the last four millennia.

On the other hand, maybe you are not such an ignoramus. Maybe you actually want antisemitic hatred to go unchallenged while the West shrinks from even the mildest criticism of Islamist fanatics so long as someone, somewhere, finds it “offensive”. This posture certainly would be consistent with every word I have seen you post on this blog and others.

]]> By: RKV http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74866 RKV Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:16:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74866 Well pst314, I sure don't think much of Islam, and since my wife's family is Armenian it's a personal thing, too. I also gave specific examples of how Hollywierd pushes agendas (as in Davinci Code) which mock other faiths and spread conspiracy theories - and you certainly aren't ready to condemn them with the same fervor that you work up for this movie. A bit more consistency is needed on your part before the blood libel thing sticks, OK? Well pst314, I sure don’t think much of Islam, and since my wife’s family is Armenian it’s a personal thing, too. I also gave specific examples of how Hollywierd pushes agendas (as in Davinci Code) which mock other faiths and spread conspiracy theories – and you certainly aren’t ready to condemn them with the same fervor that you work up for this movie. A bit more consistency is needed on your part before the blood libel thing sticks, OK?

]]> By: pst314 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74865 pst314 Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:37:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74865 "It's a movie folks." Islam teaches its children to hate and kill, but RKV thinks there's nothing for us to get upset about. Well, some of us understand what the Blood Libel means. “It’s a movie folks.”

Islam teaches its children to hate and kill, but RKV thinks there’s nothing for us to get upset about. Well, some of us understand what the Blood Libel means.

]]> By: vegetius http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74864 vegetius Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:52:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74864 "When a cartoonist insults...Muslims it is considered freedom of opinion, but when an action film takes on the Americans it is considered demagoguery. Something is wrong." Oh yeah!!! I can't wait for the death threats for Busey and Zane and the burning of the Turkish embassy. It't he difference between 'The Great Dictator' and 'Triumph of the Will'. “When a cartoonist insults…Muslims it is considered freedom of opinion, but when an action film takes on the Americans it is considered demagoguery. Something is wrong.”

Oh yeah!!! I can’t wait for the death threats for Busey and Zane and the burning of the Turkish embassy.

It’t he difference between ‘The Great Dictator’ and ‘Triumph of the Will’.

]]> By: markus http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74863 markus Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:42:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74863 larry -- When one man cries 'moral equivalency' and the other man cries 'double standard', this is a debate that can only be settled fist to fist. FYI, they believe that this clash is about good vs. evil, too. And they're just as certain that THEY are the moral ones, not us. larry — When one man cries ‘moral equivalency’ and the other man cries ‘double standard’, this is a debate that can only be settled fist to fist. FYI, they believe that this clash is about good vs. evil, too. And they’re just as certain that THEY are the moral ones, not us.

]]> By: larry http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74862 larry Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:42:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74862 His big moment was "The Buddy Holly Story", 27-28 years ago. All downhill since. The Turks were a good ally of ours, once upon a time. Sigh. The trouble with the moral equivalency of the 'toons and the movie: The 'toons depict reality, in a satirical way. The movie is horses***. His big moment was “The Buddy Holly Story”, 27-28 years ago. All downhill since.

The Turks were a good ally of ours, once upon a time. Sigh.

The trouble with the moral equivalency of the ‘toons and the movie: The ‘toons depict reality, in a satirical way. The movie is horses***.

]]> By: TheRealSwede http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74861 TheRealSwede Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:54:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/02/26/gary-busey-commits-career-suicide/#comment-74861 But Roger, doesn't committing career suicide presuppose that Busey had a career with a pulse to start with? But Roger, doesn’t committing career suicide presuppose that Busey had a career with a pulse to start with?

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