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		<title>By: moneyrunner</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/30/calling-pen/#comment-76455</link>
		<dc:creator>moneyrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this, I don&#039;t want to hear the MSM (who have not published the cartoons) or Borders to ever again lie about DEFENDING freedom of speech or of the press.  By their failure to publish and by their decision to boycott this magazine they have demonstrated in no uncertain terms that they USE freedom of speech and the press, they do not DEFEND it.

They are civilians in the war against Islamofacism, and have declined to enlist.  That is their right.  It is our right to call them cowards.  They had their chance, and failed.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this, I don&#8217;t want to hear the MSM (who have not published the cartoons) or Borders to ever again lie about DEFENDING freedom of speech or of the press.  By their failure to publish and by their decision to boycott this magazine they have demonstrated in no uncertain terms that they USE freedom of speech and the press, they do not DEFEND it.</p>
<p>They are civilians in the war against Islamofacism, and have declined to enlist.  That is their right.  It is our right to call them cowards.  They had their chance, and failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/30/calling-pen/#comment-76454</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How very &#039;Neville Chamberlainish&#039; of you. Hurry, hurry this could be your Sudentenland too&quot;

Nice. Someone has a differnt take on the situation, you can&#039;t wait to puke out the ad hominems.

Well, two can play that game. Look, read the end of my comment. Go start your own bookstore and sell the book. Display the MoToons. Hire your family and friends and put them in harms way.

Then come back and tell me what a hero you are.

You&#039;re not a hero. You&#039;re a complete zero. You don&#039;t have a pair of balls to hold in your sweaty, zit-riddled hand. You&#039;re a big boy, posting a comment on some other guy&#039;s blog. You&#039;re probably dressed in your pajamas as you type.

I repeat. Under the current situation, in which the Islamic monsters can blow up any book store in America at will, in an America neutered by political correctness, in a culture that refuses to defend businesses like Borders, real people that run real businesses know that they can&#039;t count on the government to protect Americans.

You&#039;d do better to channel your childish, imbecilic energy into motivating the police to protect all of us.

Until then, until you grow a pair of balls and prove to us all that you can run a real business in today&#039;s climate of terror, STFU.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How very &#8216;Neville Chamberlainish&#8217; of you. Hurry, hurry this could be your Sudentenland too&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice. Someone has a differnt take on the situation, you can&#8217;t wait to puke out the ad hominems.</p>
<p>Well, two can play that game. Look, read the end of my comment. Go start your own bookstore and sell the book. Display the MoToons. Hire your family and friends and put them in harms way.</p>
<p>Then come back and tell me what a hero you are.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not a hero. You&#8217;re a complete zero. You don&#8217;t have a pair of balls to hold in your sweaty, zit-riddled hand. You&#8217;re a big boy, posting a comment on some other guy&#8217;s blog. You&#8217;re probably dressed in your pajamas as you type.</p>
<p>I repeat. Under the current situation, in which the Islamic monsters can blow up any book store in America at will, in an America neutered by political correctness, in a culture that refuses to defend businesses like Borders, real people that run real businesses know that they can&#8217;t count on the government to protect Americans.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d do better to channel your childish, imbecilic energy into motivating the police to protect all of us.</p>
<p>Until then, until you grow a pair of balls and prove to us all that you can run a real business in today&#8217;s climate of terror, STFU.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/30/calling-pen/#comment-76453</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Amazon is &quot;partnering&quot; with Borders...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Amazon is &#8220;partnering&#8221; with Borders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming in late on this discussion...  Everyone seems to have their opinion about this &quot;business decision&quot; of Borders, Inc. (LLC, whatever).  The truth of the matter has been stated - Borders makes the business decision and now must live with it or spin it in some way to show that they are the victim....

Has everyone forgotten the purposes that the Danish Mullah went on his ME tour?  The insertion of some &quot;extra&quot; cartoons to further inflame the ME masses?  How is this not seen as Borders being a partner in Islamic propaganda?  We need to speak with our wallets and feet.  Anyone own Borders stock (BGP)?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming in late on this discussion&#8230;  Everyone seems to have their opinion about this &#8220;business decision&#8221; of Borders, Inc. (LLC, whatever).  The truth of the matter has been stated &#8211; Borders makes the business decision and now must live with it or spin it in some way to show that they are the victim&#8230;.</p>
<p>Has everyone forgotten the purposes that the Danish Mullah went on his ME tour?  The insertion of some &#8220;extra&#8221; cartoons to further inflame the ME masses?  How is this not seen as Borders being a partner in Islamic propaganda?  We need to speak with our wallets and feet.  Anyone own Borders stock (BGP)?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Okie</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/30/calling-pen/#comment-76451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Okie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye:

&quot;My only point is that Borders is a private business and they should have the right to make decisions concerning their business.&quot;

Does this mean that clothing retailers have the right to buy from third-world sweatshops?  Did the businesses that supplied the crematoria for the Third Reich&#039;s death camps not deserve criticism?  This last point may seem over the top, but where do you draw the line?

The larger issue, as others have pointed out, is that Borders&#039; decision encourages the jihadists to more violence and increases the danger to us all.  Bottom line, all of us who enjoy the freedoms of this country are charged with defending them.

Perhaps we should remind Borders of those who made it possible for them to have a business in a free society:


http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/henry/henry1.htm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye:</p>
<p>&#8220;My only point is that Borders is a private business and they should have the right to make decisions concerning their business.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does this mean that clothing retailers have the right to buy from third-world sweatshops?  Did the businesses that supplied the crematoria for the Third Reich&#8217;s death camps not deserve criticism?  This last point may seem over the top, but where do you draw the line?</p>
<p>The larger issue, as others have pointed out, is that Borders&#8217; decision encourages the jihadists to more violence and increases the danger to us all.  Bottom line, all of us who enjoy the freedoms of this country are charged with defending them.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should remind Borders of those who made it possible for them to have a business in a free society:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/henry/henry1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/henry/henry1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye:

The first line of my first post on this thread stated that Borders has the absolute right to carry whatever line of product they want. If they wanted to ban any publication or book that went after Islamo Fascism in any form they have the right to do it and I don&#039;t want any government agency to have the ability to make them do it. They own it , it&#039;s their buisness, and they have the absolute right to do whatever they want. But they have often carried material that was sacraligous and they had no problem offending other faiths. And it seems that the reason they are banning this publication is out of fear. You can&#039;t force someone to be brave and if someone decides to give in to blackmail that is their choice. But this type of blackmail usually doesn&#039;t stop and once you give in to try to protect others it is very hard to not give in the when the next death threat comes. And given the nature of the Islamo Fascists I doubt that this is a one time occurence. Why would it when it has worked so well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye:</p>
<p>The first line of my first post on this thread stated that Borders has the absolute right to carry whatever line of product they want. If they wanted to ban any publication or book that went after Islamo Fascism in any form they have the right to do it and I don&#8217;t want any government agency to have the ability to make them do it. They own it , it&#8217;s their buisness, and they have the absolute right to do whatever they want. But they have often carried material that was sacraligous and they had no problem offending other faiths. And it seems that the reason they are banning this publication is out of fear. You can&#8217;t force someone to be brave and if someone decides to give in to blackmail that is their choice. But this type of blackmail usually doesn&#8217;t stop and once you give in to try to protect others it is very hard to not give in the when the next death threat comes. And given the nature of the Islamo Fascists I doubt that this is a one time occurence. Why would it when it has worked so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin:

My only point is that Borders is a private business and they should have the right to make decisions concerning their business.

As for what the Islamists want, they want to control the debate and play us and that is exactly what they are doing. After all, we have already reached the point where there is no debate on the question. What we do or do not do depends on the reaction of a bunch of intolerant narrow minded backward bigots. All they have to do is have a riot and there we are telling private companies how to run their business.

If some nutjob looking for an excuse to kill someone walks into a Borders and opens fire it will not be the CEO bleeding out on the floor. That requires no real physical courage on the part of the CEO.

I am feeling like Pavlov&#039;s dog, like I am being manipulated by these people and I am probably one of the few people here who actually hangs out somewhere that posted these cartoons and who could be traced if someone wanted to find me.

I am only saying that Borders may have reasons for what they did that have more to with the safety of their employees and customers than have to do with plain old greed.

Does this publication have a website? Go find out and get a subscription, buy a bunch of their magazines and sell them door to door.

Are we to the place that people and companies are not allowed to make individual choices and decisions? All these people have to do to control the debate is riot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:</p>
<p>My only point is that Borders is a private business and they should have the right to make decisions concerning their business.</p>
<p>As for what the Islamists want, they want to control the debate and play us and that is exactly what they are doing. After all, we have already reached the point where there is no debate on the question. What we do or do not do depends on the reaction of a bunch of intolerant narrow minded backward bigots. All they have to do is have a riot and there we are telling private companies how to run their business.</p>
<p>If some nutjob looking for an excuse to kill someone walks into a Borders and opens fire it will not be the CEO bleeding out on the floor. That requires no real physical courage on the part of the CEO.</p>
<p>I am feeling like Pavlov&#8217;s dog, like I am being manipulated by these people and I am probably one of the few people here who actually hangs out somewhere that posted these cartoons and who could be traced if someone wanted to find me.</p>
<p>I am only saying that Borders may have reasons for what they did that have more to with the safety of their employees and customers than have to do with plain old greed.</p>
<p>Does this publication have a website? Go find out and get a subscription, buy a bunch of their magazines and sell them door to door.</p>
<p>Are we to the place that people and companies are not allowed to make individual choices and decisions? All these people have to do to control the debate is riot.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye:

You can&#039;t have a proper discussion on the subject without looking at the items that are &quot;causing&quot; the violence. I would wager that 60 to 70 percent of Americans have never seen the offending cartoons. The mild nature of most of them makes the reaction even more obscene. Printing them in a periodical that talks about current events is not &quot;flaunting.&quot; If the violent blackmail had not occurred I would not agree with printing them over and over. As BeckyJ pointed out censorship in anticipation of a threat is chilling.That is  exactly what the Islamo Fascists wanted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye:</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have a proper discussion on the subject without looking at the items that are &#8220;causing&#8221; the violence. I would wager that 60 to 70 percent of Americans have never seen the offending cartoons. The mild nature of most of them makes the reaction even more obscene. Printing them in a periodical that talks about current events is not &#8220;flaunting.&#8221; If the violent blackmail had not occurred I would not agree with printing them over and over. As BeckyJ pointed out censorship in anticipation of a threat is chilling.That is  exactly what the Islamo Fascists wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckyJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kevin Peters.  Border&#039;s business is the business of ideas.  Many ideas are offensive to a lot of people.  Some ideas are offensive to just about everybody.  But Terrye, for a small group to be given the power to hold the majority hostage is wrong.  And Borders did indeed &lt;b&gt;give&lt;/b&gt; that power to fundamentalist Islamic groups.  Yes, these groups have proven themselves to be violent; all the more reason to stand up to them and send a strong message that Americans and American institutions will not be intimidated.  In addition, nowhere did I see that Border&#039;s has received any threats regarding the sale of the magazine.  They are acting in &lt;b&gt;anticipation&lt;/b&gt; of &lt;b&gt;possibly&lt;/b&gt; getting threats.  If they had just put this issue of the magazine out as they do with every other issue, likely there would be no reaction.

I would also add that the fact that Border&#039;s carries Rushdie books was not really an issue at the time of publication of &lt;i&gt;Satanic Verses&lt;/i&gt;.  If there were violent Islamist groups in the U.S. they certainly did not react.  There was no expectation of retaliation so there was no perceived risk in carrying the book.  In fact, as I recall, we in the U.S. were pretty smug about our ability to acquire copies of Rushdie&#039;s book due to our freedoms.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kevin Peters.  Border&#8217;s business is the business of ideas.  Many ideas are offensive to a lot of people.  Some ideas are offensive to just about everybody.  But Terrye, for a small group to be given the power to hold the majority hostage is wrong.  And Borders did indeed <b>give</b> that power to fundamentalist Islamic groups.  Yes, these groups have proven themselves to be violent; all the more reason to stand up to them and send a strong message that Americans and American institutions will not be intimidated.  In addition, nowhere did I see that Border&#8217;s has received any threats regarding the sale of the magazine.  They are acting in <b>anticipation</b> of <b>possibly</b> getting threats.  If they had just put this issue of the magazine out as they do with every other issue, likely there would be no reaction.</p>
<p>I would also add that the fact that Border&#8217;s carries Rushdie books was not really an issue at the time of publication of <i>Satanic Verses</i>.  If there were violent Islamist groups in the U.S. they certainly did not react.  There was no expectation of retaliation so there was no perceived risk in carrying the book.  In fact, as I recall, we in the U.S. were pretty smug about our ability to acquire copies of Rushdie&#8217;s book due to our freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin:

LIke I said we posted the photos, but that does not mean that I would want to make posters of them and put them on school buses just to prove a point either.

Other than giving Michelle Malkin something else to have a tantrum about what exactly is telling Borders how to run their business going to accomplish?

I have seen these things over and over again. Thanks to the rioters and the bloggers these silly banal cartoons have recieved far more attention than they deserve.

We get it. Good people flaunt them, bad people riot over them.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:</p>
<p>LIke I said we posted the photos, but that does not mean that I would want to make posters of them and put them on school buses just to prove a point either.</p>
<p>Other than giving Michelle Malkin something else to have a tantrum about what exactly is telling Borders how to run their business going to accomplish?</p>
<p>I have seen these things over and over again. Thanks to the rioters and the bloggers these silly banal cartoons have recieved far more attention than they deserve.</p>
<p>We get it. Good people flaunt them, bad people riot over them.</p>
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