Comments on: No Amnesty for Amnesty

By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad

Tom Grey - Liberty Dad — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:31:57 +0000

Amnesty has the problem of most Leftists when confronted by stark, hard choices:
war or genocide.

This was the Vietnam rot in 1974; more war or genocide, and the Peace Now folk got the Dem Party to vote against more war.
Thus, to allow genocide; 600 000 murders in Vietnam; 1.5 mil. murders in Cambodia.
Because the US left, and stop fighting “the Evil Empire” there.

The Dems didn’t want to fight in Rwanda in 1994.

Neither the Dems nor Bush seems to want to fight in Sudan, now — so the slo-mo genocide in Darfur. I really wish Bush would blame the Dems and their “Global Test” giving the responsibility to the UN; and blame the UN for not calling it genocide. As Amnesty doesn’t call it genocide — to do so would require UN action = war. Amnesty doesn’t want that. So it would rather have genocide. Or, maybe sanctions … so that the continuing genocide could then be blamed on the US for imposing sanctions.

The world needs regime change in Sudan, even more urgently than in Iran, though Iran is a bigger near term threat to freedom.

By: Stephen M. St. Onge

Stephen M. St. Onge — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:21:04 +0000

Remarkable how poor so many of you are at long division.

According to Amnesty International’s figures, there were 2148 to something like 8350 executions last year, a range of uncertainty of approximately four. 60 were executed in the U.S., so that means that 1 to 3% of worldwide executions took place here. So 99 to 97% took place outside the U.S. 95 to 82% of all executions world-wide seem to take place in China.

Robert Conquest once said that any organization that is not actively right-wing will become left-wing, because the left-wingers will infiltrate it. Amnesty International became a left-wing, USAmerica-bashing organization long ago. I’m surprised anyone didn’t know that.

By: waterdragon52

waterdragon52 — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:56:14 +0000

I presume that the 1% rate in the US that Roger cites is 1% of convicted felons and not 1% of the country’s population. 1% of convicted felons is still a large number. But a more important point about capital punishment in the US may be found in the demographics of who is more likely to receive the death penalty on the basis of gender or race. When one of my law teachers (Canadian born, but lived in the US from childhood to university, then came back to Canada) offered that perhaps it would be OK to bring back capital punishment in Canada because systemic racism wasn’t as great a problem north of the 49th parallel, I debunked his argument vis a vis our aboriginal people and access to good legal representation. There was also a case at the time, of an accountant almost being convicted of the murder of his wife, who died by drowning and not by way of a bullet to the head. On investigation, it was discovered that practices at the forensics facility were so bad, they mixed up a lot of information. Had the accused been a less sophisticated and wealthy person, he would have been convicted and potentially executed.

Keeping slime like Paul Bernardo alive seems a terrible waste of taxpayers’ dollars, but until the legal system can be made so fool-proof as to never see a wrongful conviction, better not to reinstitute capital punishment.

By: Steven Mitchell

Steven Mitchell — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:30:51 +0000

The real travesty is that Amnesty has a role to play. That they are so unserious in playing it leaves it unplayed. Furthermore, their behavior makes their stated objectives less likely to happen.

By: Bostonian

Bostonian — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:52:55 +0000

Let’s take a look at these numbers. If China, SA, Iran, and the US are responsible for 94% of 2148 executions, that is .94 * 2148 = 2019 people.

Let’s subtract the US’s 60 and we get 1959 executions by China, SA, and Iran. That makes up 91% of the world’s executions in 2005.

Roger is right. It’s the 3% of executions, performed by a country with solid rule of law, laws written by representives of the citizens, that Amnesty is highlighting. They couldn’t care less about the 91% of executions, done in countries where dictators can invent the law and put a man to death on the spot.

Amnesty thinks that it’s only the execution that matters, not the process that precedes it. Idiots.

By: Former CNN Watcher

Former CNN Watcher — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:17:23 +0000

Just look at Amnesty’s report from last year on the global state of human rights.

The USA got more pages devoted to its horrible human rights abuses than any other country: more than China or Sudan, and more than twice the space of Pakistan, North Korea, the Palestinian Authority, Cuba, or Venezuela.

The anti-American fixation of these tranzies is glaringly obvious.

Details here:
http://noonshadow.blogspot.com/2005/05/amnesty-points-out-top-human-rights.html

By: Pixy Misa

Pixy Misa — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:08:48 +0000

That “1%” is: If you were to adjust the figures by population, the US would account for 1% of world-wide executions.

By: Luther McLeod

Luther McLeod — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:45:26 +0000

Cap’n Hate. Har.

By: Captain Hate

Captain Hate — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:59:34 +0000

“Western Democratic Countries that still have the Death Penalty:

The Caribbean Islands”

Where did you get this fact (I omitted surrounding fact with bullshit quote marks in the rare chance that you know what the hell you’re talking about)? The nearest I could come to finding this was an entry in Wiki that defined it as a commonwealth of a number of very diverse nation states, not all of which have the death penalty. Why didn’t you single out your socialist paradise of Cuba? Old delusions die hard, eh?

By: Ron

Ron — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:56:59 +0000

“David T. shows how the execution rate in the United States, on a per capita basis, is a statistically insignificant one per cent,”

Got to be careful with those figures. There is about 295 million in the United States not counting the illegals which could bring it up considerably and 1% is 2,950,000 executions per year. How about something like .001 and that even sounds high.

Just Googled the amount executed in all of the United States last year [2005] and it was 60. So, even .001 is way to high by over 2000.

China would probably get the prize because they have made it a business in harvesting body parts. All prisoners are now given medical exams just in case a lucrative offer comes in. Communists are a detestable bunch of thugs.