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		<title>By: klrfz1</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the word falsifiable has a different meaning than the word falsified. Right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the word falsifiable has a different meaning than the word falsified. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: klrfz1</title>
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		<dc:creator>klrfz1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dclydew,

Your implied &quot;Bush lied&quot; claim has already been falsified, numerous times. Yet that repeated falsification has had no effect on your opinion. Your implementation of posting a comment to this blog  has failed.

Why don&#039;t you apply the same high standards to yourself as you do to neo-cons? Why don&#039;t you put forth a falsifiable claim including an actual quote and a link to the source?

The Iraq war has been a success. Saddam is on trial and Iraq is an emerging democracy. Do you need me to supply you with links to support these &quot;falsifiable claims&quot;? The only way the Iraq war can be turned into a failure is for the U.S. to withdraw it&#039;s troops prematurely (opinion). Is that what you want?

I thought it was unethical for you scientists to perform experiments on humans without their prior consent. Maybe your new metaphor of neo-cons as failed scientists is inapt. &lt;b&gt; INAPT! &lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dclydew,</p>
<p>Your implied &#8220;Bush lied&#8221; claim has already been falsified, numerous times. Yet that repeated falsification has had no effect on your opinion. Your implementation of posting a comment to this blog  has failed.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you apply the same high standards to yourself as you do to neo-cons? Why don&#8217;t you put forth a falsifiable claim including an actual quote and a link to the source?</p>
<p>The Iraq war has been a success. Saddam is on trial and Iraq is an emerging democracy. Do you need me to supply you with links to support these &#8220;falsifiable claims&#8221;? The only way the Iraq war can be turned into a failure is for the U.S. to withdraw it&#8217;s troops prematurely (opinion). Is that what you want?</p>
<p>I thought it was unethical for you scientists to perform experiments on humans without their prior consent. Maybe your new metaphor of neo-cons as failed scientists is inapt. <b> INAPT! </b></p>
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		<title>By: dclydew</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only one problem with your post, Roger.

&lt;i&gt;they are the only ones who ever came up with an idea of how to solve this mess in the first place. Right or wrong they&#039;ve made an attempt (had a theory).&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s great to come up with a theory to deal with an issue. However, in a democracy, we have the ability to get our theory vetted by other people, who may see things we miss. A good scientist shouldn&#039;t act on a theory without some proof, evidence or at least  correlated observations. Einstein didn&#039;t come up with E=mc2 and spend the next week in the garage building WMD&#039;s.

The neo-con plan might have a great theory behind it. However, it may be that we will never find out if that theory could work... because they&#039;ve completely FUBAR&#039;d the implementation. Our War on Terror has provided us with two wars in areas that still aren&#039;t stable outside of occupied zones. We have soilders getting shot at, citizens getting killed, a potential, or existing civil war (depending on who&#039;s spin you listen to) and lots of money that appears to be going straight down the toilet. The neo-con plan seems to have been hijacked by carelessness. Making falsifiable claims about WMD&#039;s, Yellowcake, Mobile Bio-Weapons Labs, seems a bad way to start. Making &#039;new&#039; decisions about how to go to war (few troops as opposed to the Powell Doctrine), probably shouldn&#039;t be tried during the initial millitary actions of a century long war. The Neo-Cons may have a Great Theory... but, it appears to me that they&#039;ve failed to usefully communicate that theory, they&#039;ve failed to take critisisms of that theory and they seem to have made some serious errors in the implementation of that theory.

Anyone can come up with a theory... thats no big achievement. It&#039;s the implementation of the theory providing predictable results, which gets you the Nobel Prize.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only one problem with your post, Roger.</p>
<p><i>they are the only ones who ever came up with an idea of how to solve this mess in the first place. Right or wrong they&#8217;ve made an attempt (had a theory).</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to come up with a theory to deal with an issue. However, in a democracy, we have the ability to get our theory vetted by other people, who may see things we miss. A good scientist shouldn&#8217;t act on a theory without some proof, evidence or at least  correlated observations. Einstein didn&#8217;t come up with E=mc2 and spend the next week in the garage building WMD&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The neo-con plan might have a great theory behind it. However, it may be that we will never find out if that theory could work&#8230; because they&#8217;ve completely FUBAR&#8217;d the implementation. Our War on Terror has provided us with two wars in areas that still aren&#8217;t stable outside of occupied zones. We have soilders getting shot at, citizens getting killed, a potential, or existing civil war (depending on who&#8217;s spin you listen to) and lots of money that appears to be going straight down the toilet. The neo-con plan seems to have been hijacked by carelessness. Making falsifiable claims about WMD&#8217;s, Yellowcake, Mobile Bio-Weapons Labs, seems a bad way to start. Making &#8216;new&#8217; decisions about how to go to war (few troops as opposed to the Powell Doctrine), probably shouldn&#8217;t be tried during the initial millitary actions of a century long war. The Neo-Cons may have a Great Theory&#8230; but, it appears to me that they&#8217;ve failed to usefully communicate that theory, they&#8217;ve failed to take critisisms of that theory and they seem to have made some serious errors in the implementation of that theory.</p>
<p>Anyone can come up with a theory&#8230; thats no big achievement. It&#8217;s the implementation of the theory providing predictable results, which gets you the Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: greeneyeshade</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 06:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody, I think posting a comment on Instapundit, quoted a novel predicting that Hillary Clinton would turn out to be &quot;the most ruthless wartime president in American history.&quot;
If I could be sure that was true, she&#039;d have the inside track to my vote.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody, I think posting a comment on Instapundit, quoted a novel predicting that Hillary Clinton would turn out to be &#8220;the most ruthless wartime president in American history.&#8221;<br />
If I could be sure that was true, she&#8217;d have the inside track to my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: flicka47</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the Democrats &quot;base&quot; is that it is so far left that anyone not that far gone ends up ostracized.

That is also why there is currently such a wide gulf of opinion on the Republican side.

Deep down,I think that the American public will not be able to trust the Democratic base.
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<p>That is also why there is currently such a wide gulf of opinion on the Republican side.</p>
<p>Deep down,I think that the American public will not be able to trust the Democratic base.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain is one of the most dangerous people in politics today. He is a tyrant in waiting who believes that the rules don&#039;t apply to him, see the Keating 5.

Now he announces that our most cherished liberties are fodder for his crusade.

Quote from McCain&#039;s appearance on Imus (my bold)....

&quot;He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform....I know that money corrupts....&lt;b&gt;I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected,&lt;/b&gt; that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I‚Äôd rather have the clean government.&quot;

This man should be imprisoned not elected.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain is one of the most dangerous people in politics today. He is a tyrant in waiting who believes that the rules don&#8217;t apply to him, see the Keating 5.</p>
<p>Now he announces that our most cherished liberties are fodder for his crusade.</p>
<p>Quote from McCain&#8217;s appearance on Imus (my bold)&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgement of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform&#8230;.I know that money corrupts&#8230;.<b>I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected,</b> that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I‚Äôd rather have the clean government.&#8221;</p>
<p>This man should be imprisoned not elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its hard to listen to Senator McCain after what he and the Keating 5 pulled years ago, http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004016.php but it seem he just might have read Oriana Fallaci&#039;s, The Rage and the Pride.  It makes me wonder why he isn&#039;t more proactive in securing the borders, why he works with Senator Kennedy, the Senator who more than anyone did away with the Bracero Program that caused the illegal debacle that we have right now.  Hey Senator, we have 13 million illegals marching with Islamists, read the book about the 5th column during the Spanish Civil War, we have a potential army right now with in our borders and your not to bothered, why is that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its hard to listen to Senator McCain after what he and the Keating 5 pulled years ago, <a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004016.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004016.php</a> but it seem he just might have read Oriana Fallaci&#8217;s, The Rage and the Pride.  It makes me wonder why he isn&#8217;t more proactive in securing the borders, why he works with Senator Kennedy, the Senator who more than anyone did away with the Bracero Program that caused the illegal debacle that we have right now.  Hey Senator, we have 13 million illegals marching with Islamists, read the book about the 5th column during the Spanish Civil War, we have a potential army right now with in our borders and your not to bothered, why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,



&lt;i&gt;&quot;They literally have to grow up and, sometimes, in order to grow up you have to be thrust into the middle of the process, have responsibility.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



Really?  I trust we both care deeply about the nation&#039;s security and western civilization&#039;s survival.  And, just to be consistent, this is also your argument for allowing convicted embezzlers to manage trust funds for widows and orphans, or child molesters to run Cub Scout dens, or narcotic-addicted physicians to perform neuro-surgery, or convicted drunk drivers to drive school buses?  Surely the nation&#039;s security and the survival of western civilization deserve equal due diligence in avoiding malignant leadership?



&lt;i&gt;&quot;I sincerely hope she realizes her first and by far most important mission is the preservation of Western Civilization as we know it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



She might, but all the evidence strongly indicates the single most important point propelling the Left, and the base of the Democratic Party, is its absolute disgust with western civilization, especially the American history and expression of western civilization.  From its Judeo-Christian foundation to western expansionism and colonialism, capitalism to imperialism, patriarchy, slavery, the industrial revolution and individualism, is there any facet of western civilization that the Left would be willing to fight and die for?  Other than socialized medicine and hybrid cars, that is?  You might think I&#039;m kidding, but if this was a marriage, the Left would have divorced America and western civilization twenty five years ago.  They don&#039;t love America enough to protect it - they want to change it - and since an ardent defense of the nation requires an equally ardent belief in the goodness of the nation, there is no way the Democrats and the Left should be entrusted with its leadership and defense.



To paraphrase an apt quote from P.J. O&#039;Roarke, to do so is akin to tossing a bottle of whisky and car keys to a sixteen year old boy.  To some extent you can&#039;t blame the kid for doing what he&#039;ll do, but any responsible adult could foresee the tragic consequences.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;They literally have to grow up and, sometimes, in order to grow up you have to be thrust into the middle of the process, have responsibility.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Really?  I trust we both care deeply about the nation&#8217;s security and western civilization&#8217;s survival.  And, just to be consistent, this is also your argument for allowing convicted embezzlers to manage trust funds for widows and orphans, or child molesters to run Cub Scout dens, or narcotic-addicted physicians to perform neuro-surgery, or convicted drunk drivers to drive school buses?  Surely the nation&#8217;s security and the survival of western civilization deserve equal due diligence in avoiding malignant leadership?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I sincerely hope she realizes her first and by far most important mission is the preservation of Western Civilization as we know it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>She might, but all the evidence strongly indicates the single most important point propelling the Left, and the base of the Democratic Party, is its absolute disgust with western civilization, especially the American history and expression of western civilization.  From its Judeo-Christian foundation to western expansionism and colonialism, capitalism to imperialism, patriarchy, slavery, the industrial revolution and individualism, is there any facet of western civilization that the Left would be willing to fight and die for?  Other than socialized medicine and hybrid cars, that is?  You might think I&#8217;m kidding, but if this was a marriage, the Left would have divorced America and western civilization twenty five years ago.  They don&#8217;t love America enough to protect it &#8211; they want to change it &#8211; and since an ardent defense of the nation requires an equally ardent belief in the goodness of the nation, there is no way the Democrats and the Left should be entrusted with its leadership and defense.</p>
<p>To paraphrase an apt quote from P.J. O&#8217;Roarke, to do so is akin to tossing a bottle of whisky and car keys to a sixteen year old boy.  To some extent you can&#8217;t blame the kid for doing what he&#8217;ll do, but any responsible adult could foresee the tragic consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>george III,

Your comments are right on. There are 3 ways this war can end:

1. We change them.
2. We destroy them.
3. They destroy us.

One of these three outcomes will happen. Option 1 is what we are trying now. This is the neocon policy. If we quit in Iraq and the neocon policy is discredited, that will leave outcomes 2 and 3.

If the &quot;peace&quot; advocates succeed in getting this nation to quit in Iraq, all they will have accomplished is bringing closer the day when one of the world&#039;s great civilizations will have to destroy the other. To paraphrase Churchill, they will have chosen dishonor and they will get Armageddon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>george III,</p>
<p>Your comments are right on. There are 3 ways this war can end:</p>
<p>1. We change them.<br />
2. We destroy them.<br />
3. They destroy us.</p>
<p>One of these three outcomes will happen. Option 1 is what we are trying now. This is the neocon policy. If we quit in Iraq and the neocon policy is discredited, that will leave outcomes 2 and 3.</p>
<p>If the &#8220;peace&#8221; advocates succeed in getting this nation to quit in Iraq, all they will have accomplished is bringing closer the day when one of the world&#8217;s great civilizations will have to destroy the other. To paraphrase Churchill, they will have chosen dishonor and they will get Armageddon.</p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

&lt;i&gt;Which is why part of me would like to see the Democrats elected in &#039;08.&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s make this clear. I absolutely loathe the Democrats. Let no man claim a greater loathing unless he would manifest my latent fantasies of mass round-ups, firing squads and lynchings. Let no man question the depth of my Democrat-hating for what I am about to say.

I want the Democrats win control of Congress in &#039;06.

I want this not because I believe their policies will be successful at solving the problems we face, but because I believe they will fail. With this country at a 50-50 political impasse, and with no hope of breaking this impasse favorably through reasoned debate in the face of the DNC contolled MSM, we will need to learn through hard experience that Democrat policies cannot win the war on Islamic imperialism.

Unfortunately, I believe things will have to get worse before they can get better. We&#039;ll have to let the Democrats destroy the village beforre we can save it. Hopefully, we&#039;ll get the Democrats out of our system before &#039;08.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p><i>Which is why part of me would like to see the Democrats elected in &#8216;08.</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s make this clear. I absolutely loathe the Democrats. Let no man claim a greater loathing unless he would manifest my latent fantasies of mass round-ups, firing squads and lynchings. Let no man question the depth of my Democrat-hating for what I am about to say.</p>
<p>I want the Democrats win control of Congress in &#8216;06.</p>
<p>I want this not because I believe their policies will be successful at solving the problems we face, but because I believe they will fail. With this country at a 50-50 political impasse, and with no hope of breaking this impasse favorably through reasoned debate in the face of the DNC contolled MSM, we will need to learn through hard experience that Democrat policies cannot win the war on Islamic imperialism.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I believe things will have to get worse before they can get better. We&#8217;ll have to let the Democrats destroy the village beforre we can save it. Hopefully, we&#8217;ll get the Democrats out of our system before &#8216;08.</p>
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