Comments on: 99% of Beirut untouched http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:06:12 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bostonian http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80306 Bostonian Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:58:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80306 Gazz, Speaking of moronic, shallow potshots, the "mission accomplished" myth originates in GWB's visit to a Navy ship whose crewmembers had hung up a banner saying "mission accomplished" to congratulate *themselves* on completing a tour of duty. Bush did not say "mission accomplished." But I'm sure that won't dissuade you from repeating your tiresome lie another five hundred times. *** As for the war in Iraq, why yes, I think that it is a good idea to have another 25 million people on the side of democracy rather than under the bootheel of a vicious dictator. You see, I actually believe in freedom. Gazz,

Speaking of moronic, shallow potshots, the “mission accomplished” myth originates in GWB’s visit to a Navy ship whose crewmembers had hung up a banner saying “mission accomplished” to congratulate *themselves* on completing a tour of duty.

Bush did not say “mission accomplished.”

But I’m sure that won’t dissuade you from repeating your tiresome lie another five hundred times.

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As for the war in Iraq, why yes, I think that it is a good idea to have another 25 million people on the side of democracy rather than under the bootheel of a vicious dictator. You see, I actually believe in freedom.

]]> By: Gazzer http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80305 Gazzer Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:10:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80305 Precisely, Taking a number out of context is totally meaningless. So the title of this article should be renamed: "99% of Beirut untouched which is significant because we don't have a MSM as Hezbollah mouthpiece saying Israel indiscriminately targeting whole Lebanon or Beirut." Hardly, meaningful any more is it. "Wise up, you lefty." Ha, no doubt you were one of those 'wise' people who thought Iraq was a good idea, and cheered as Bush swaggered about saying 'mission accomplished'. Moronic shallow pot-shots like 'Wise up, you lefty' are hardly a convincing argument that there is any intellectual acumen there on the 'always right'. Precisely,
Taking a number out of context is totally meaningless. So the title of this article should be renamed:

“99% of Beirut untouched which is significant because we don’t have a MSM as Hezbollah mouthpiece saying Israel indiscriminately targeting whole Lebanon or Beirut.”

Hardly, meaningful any more is it.

“Wise up, you lefty.” Ha, no doubt you were one of those ‘wise’ people who thought Iraq was a good idea, and cheered as Bush swaggered about saying ‘mission accomplished’. Moronic shallow pot-shots like ‘Wise up, you lefty’ are hardly a convincing argument that there is any intellectual acumen there on the ‘always right’.

]]> By: Always right http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80304 Always right Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:52:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80304 Gazzer, True, 99.9% of NYC was not destoyed. However, we don't have a MSM as Hezbollah mouthpiece saying Israel indiscriminately targeting whole Lebanon or Beirut. Wise up, you lefty. Gazzer,

True, 99.9% of NYC was not destoyed.

However, we don’t have a MSM as Hezbollah mouthpiece saying Israel indiscriminately targeting whole Lebanon or Beirut.

Wise up, you lefty.

]]> By: Gazzer http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80303 Gazzer Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:59:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80303 So about 99.9% of New York was left intact after 9/11. In other words, silly numbers games like 99% of Beirut remains intact are meaningless. So about 99.9% of New York was left intact after 9/11. In other words, silly numbers games like 99% of Beirut remains intact are meaningless.

]]> By: submandave http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80302 submandave Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:42:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80302 JK, if I were only allowed one person's opinion concerning Beirut, Michael Totten would certainly be on my short list. That said, and while I won't question his read on Lebanese attitudes, I will quietly side with Terrye in believing there are other less public but none-the-less valid military reasons for the Israeli strikes into the city. For example, I'll accept Mr. Totten's report of strikes in Achrafieh but recognize that they were most likely predicated on intel of Hezbollah logistics/resupply. I'd also point out, however, that while airstrikes against these targets does demonstrate that the map does not show all IDF action, it does not disprove the claim that the vast majority of Beirut remains untouched. JM, the target identified along the Northen coast that is mislabeled "airport" is in fact the seaport. I assumed the person making the graphic either misread or that it was identified simply as "port" and they assumed it meant airport. In either case, you are correct that the airport to the south of the city was also struck, but that, too, does not disprove the claim that 99% of Beirut remains intact. JK, if I were only allowed one person’s opinion concerning Beirut, Michael Totten would certainly be on my short list. That said, and while I won’t question his read on Lebanese attitudes, I will quietly side with Terrye in believing there are other less public but none-the-less valid military reasons for the Israeli strikes into the city. For example, I’ll accept Mr. Totten’s report of strikes in Achrafieh but recognize that they were most likely predicated on intel of Hezbollah logistics/resupply. I’d also point out, however, that while airstrikes against these targets does demonstrate that the map does not show all IDF action, it does not disprove the claim that the vast majority of Beirut remains untouched.

JM, the target identified along the Northen coast that is mislabeled “airport” is in fact the seaport. I assumed the person making the graphic either misread or that it was identified simply as “port” and they assumed it meant airport. In either case, you are correct that the airport to the south of the city was also struck, but that, too, does not disprove the claim that 99% of Beirut remains intact.

]]> By: Michael J. Totten http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80301 Michael J. Totten Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:56:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80301 <i>I would add that anyone who says Beirut was as pro-Israel as New York (see above) is a blowhard.</i> I didn't say Beirut, I said Jounieh. It's a (large) Christian port city. I would add that anyone who says Beirut was as pro-Israel as New York (see above) is a blowhard.

I didn’t say Beirut, I said Jounieh. It’s a (large) Christian port city.

]]> By: Always right http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80300 Always right Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:44:37 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80300 Firstly, I am not military or even strategic genius. But I disagree with some of the comments above. If Israel started bombing all over Lebanon first day into the conflict, Totten might have a point. It is now day 14 (?), hard to believe Hezbollah would just stay put and hunker down in southern Lebanon and be blown up by the IDF. Of course they are moving north and away from the initial area of engagement. What did the Israel-neutral and Israel-friendly Lebanese do when the bad guys move into their area? Firstly, I am not military or even strategic genius. But I disagree with some of the comments above.

If Israel started bombing all over Lebanon first day into the conflict, Totten might have a point. It is now day 14 (?), hard to believe Hezbollah would just stay put and hunker down in southern Lebanon and be blown up by the IDF. Of course they are moving north and away from the initial area of engagement.

What did the Israel-neutral and Israel-friendly Lebanese do when the bad guys move into their area?

]]> By: JK Ribera http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80299 JK Ribera Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:55:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80299 I would add that anyone who says Beirut was as pro-Israel as New York (see above) is a blowhard. I would add that anyone who says Beirut was as pro-Israel as New York (see above) is a blowhard.

]]> By: JK Ribera http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80298 JK Ribera Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:52:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80298 I would define someone who claims to know exactly what is going on during war as a pompous ass. I would define someone who claims to know exactly what is going on during war as a pompous ass.

]]> By: Terrye http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80297 Terrye Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:43:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/26/99-of-beirut-untouched/#comment-80297 BTW, I don't think Israel is betting clobbered. BTW, I don’t think Israel is betting clobbered.

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