Comments on: Is Qana another Jenin? http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: butta86 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80546 butta86 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:54:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80546 So, the building is hit between MIDNIGHT and 1:00AM. As soon as the building is hit, Hezbollah supporters brought the children from the morgue, and started placing them strategically around the building. Then, when all was done, and the explosives were planted, Hezbollah detonated the explosives to bring the building down onto the children's bodies. Then, they immediately called the journalists and photographers to come down to Qana to witness the show. ANOTHER FINE HEZBOLLYWOOD PRODUCTION! "Green Helmet Dude" = Mortician "White T-Shirt Dude" = Director Butta86 So, the building is hit between MIDNIGHT and 1:00AM. As soon as the building is hit, Hezbollah supporters brought the children from the morgue, and started placing them strategically around the building. Then, when all was done, and the explosives were planted, Hezbollah detonated the explosives to bring the building down onto the children’s bodies. Then, they immediately called the journalists and photographers to come down to Qana to witness the show. ANOTHER FINE HEZBOLLYWOOD PRODUCTION!

“Green Helmet Dude” = Mortician
“White T-Shirt Dude” = Director

Butta86

]]> By: Gary Rosen http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80545 Gary Rosen Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:45:23 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80545 Rick and Peter: When "markus" calls you Holocaust deniers, he means the Jenin holocaust. Rick and Peter:

When “markus” calls you Holocaust deniers, he means the Jenin holocaust.

]]> By: PeterUK http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80544 PeterUK Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:58:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80544 What conflict with Lebanon,,Israel is fighting Hezbollah,remember the non-state actor.When are you going to get it into your head,there is no upper limit the Hezbollah demands ,Israel can always go the extra mile and the Islamofascists will demand more. Stop deluding yourself that there is anything that Israel can give other than self immolation. What conflict with Lebanon,,Israel is fighting Hezbollah,remember the non-state actor.When are you going to get it into your head,there is no upper limit the Hezbollah demands ,Israel can always go the extra mile and the Islamofascists will demand more.
Stop deluding yourself that there is anything that Israel can give other than self immolation.

]]> By: markus http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80543 markus Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:08:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80543 Peter -- yes, I know that the UN claimed that Sheeba belonged to Syria, not Lebanon (and certainly not Israel). Syria, however, has now withdrawn its claim to the territory. And the United States position -- according to Sec. of State Rice -- is that Israel ought to withdraw from the area as part of a settlement of its conflict with Lebanon. Peter — yes, I know that the UN claimed that Sheeba belonged to Syria, not Lebanon (and certainly not Israel). Syria, however, has now withdrawn its claim to the territory. And the United States position — according to Sec. of State Rice — is that Israel ought to withdraw from the area as part of a settlement of its conflict with Lebanon.

]]> By: PeterUK http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80542 PeterUK Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:43:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80542 Markus, Obviously,the third paragraph is a paragraph too far for you.Hezbollah is dedicated to the destruction of the State of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews.Hezbollah's masters in Tehran share the same ambition,to that end they are acquiring nuclear weapons.There are hundreds of public pronouncements to these ends,the daily barrage of rockets only underlines this. Israel withdrew from Lebanon,the<a href="http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_shaaba_farms.php" rel="nofollow"> UN surveyors</a> determined the Shaba Farms were on the Israeli side of the line.Yes Markus,your precious International body stated the Farms are in Israel's territory. Syria,that friend of peace,has pushed Hezbollah into using the Shaba farms as a casus belli over which to attack Israel. Hezbollah is officially only one of the main political parties in Lebanon,but seems to have taken upon itself to declare war on Israel,did they go to the UN for a resolution,of course not they are a non state actor. One has to ask why your political aims coincide with a murderous terrorist movement and a brutal dictatorship,antisemitism,Bush hatred,liberal self loathing,or are you simply on the other side? Markus,
Obviously,the third paragraph is a paragraph too far for you.Hezbollah is dedicated to the destruction of the State of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews.Hezbollah’s masters in Tehran share the same ambition,to that end they are acquiring nuclear weapons.There are hundreds of public pronouncements to these ends,the daily barrage of rockets only underlines this.

Israel withdrew from Lebanon,the UN surveyors determined the Shaba Farms were on the Israeli side of the line.Yes Markus,your precious International body stated the Farms are in Israel’s territory.
Syria,that friend of peace,has pushed Hezbollah into using the Shaba farms as a casus belli over which to attack Israel.

Hezbollah is officially only one of the main political parties in Lebanon,but seems to have taken upon itself to declare war on Israel,did they go to the UN for a resolution,of course not they are a non state actor.

One has to ask why your political aims coincide with a murderous terrorist movement and a brutal dictatorship,antisemitism,Bush hatred,liberal self loathing,or are you simply on the other side?

]]> By: juan_golblado http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80541 juan_golblado Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:24:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80541 I always at least try to think about picking out my rhetorical opponent's strongest points, rather than weakest points, and resopnding to them - instead of jumping on the weaker points. I don't always manage that. Far from it. But what I tell myself is that if I keep thinking about it I will more often address the best arguments against my position than the worst ones. And I will surely learn more that way. I may convince fewer people, which is the downside, but in the long run I would like to think that I will convince more. I always at least try to think about picking out my rhetorical opponent’s strongest points, rather than weakest points, and resopnding to them – instead of jumping on the weaker points.

I don’t always manage that. Far from it. But what I tell myself is that if I keep thinking about it I will more often address the best arguments against my position than the worst ones. And I will surely learn more that way. I may convince fewer people, which is the downside, but in the long run I would like to think that I will convince more.

]]> By: markus http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80540 markus Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:25:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80540 Pete -- Explain rationally the connection between disarming Hizbollah, and handing over tiny Sheeba Farms to the Lebanese, on the one hand, and Israel forming "a neat line and walking to the sea." You can't. You're spouting histrionics and hysteria, utterly unsupported by real facts. Pete — Explain rationally the connection between disarming Hizbollah, and handing over tiny Sheeba Farms to the Lebanese, on the one hand, and Israel forming “a neat line and walking to the sea.” You can’t. You’re spouting histrionics and hysteria, utterly unsupported by real facts.

]]> By: PeterUK http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80539 PeterUK Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:39:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80539 "In case anyone cares, the grievances that need to be addressed, either before or afterwards, are the need for Hizbollah to disarm, and for Israel to turn over its maps revealing landmines that it had planted during its occupation of Southern Lebanon, return Sheeba Farms to Lebanon," Then the Israelis can form a neat line and walk into the sea. Markus,this is supremely witless even by your pathetic standards,the only negotiating position that Hezbollah has is is the elimination of the Sate of Israel and the destruction of the Jews,not much to ask you might say,just another grievance to be addressed. “In case anyone cares, the grievances that need to be addressed, either before or afterwards, are the need for Hizbollah to disarm, and for Israel to turn over its maps revealing landmines that it had planted during its occupation of Southern Lebanon, return Sheeba Farms to Lebanon,”

Then the Israelis can form a neat line and walk into the sea.

Markus,this is supremely witless even by your pathetic standards,the only negotiating position that Hezbollah has is is the elimination of the Sate of Israel and the destruction of the Jews,not much to ask you might say,just another grievance to be addressed.

]]> By: markus http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80538 markus Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:27:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80538 Cathy: I can play the analogy game too. This one is more appropriate: I'm walking down the street. You, my nemesis, walk up behind me, tap me on the back, and coldcock me. I retreat for a moment, pull out my knife, and lunge at you, drawing a little blood. You pull out your knife and lunge at me too, drawing even more blood. Afraid, I pull out my gun, wave it around, threaten to shoot you. You refuse to drop your knife. I start to fire. I end up wounding you grievously, and also killing several bystanders nearby. Who's "fault" is it? Yours, I suppose. But what if I had responded to your initial blow with a solid punch of my own, instead of pulling out my knife? And what if I had -- either before or after this incident -- been willing to negotiate our mutual grievances? Like the Jew said, blessed are the peacemakers. In case anyone cares, the grievances that need to be addressed, either before or afterwards, are the need for Hizbollah to disarm, and for Israel to turn over its maps revealing landmines that it had planted during its occupation of Southern Lebanon, return Sheeba Farms to Lebanon, and respond to the demand that Samir Kuntar be released (which hopefully they will refuse to do). Cathy: I can play the analogy game too. This one is more appropriate:

I’m walking down the street. You, my nemesis, walk up behind me, tap me on the back, and coldcock me. I retreat for a moment, pull out my knife, and lunge at you, drawing a little blood. You pull out your knife and lunge at me too, drawing even more blood. Afraid, I pull out my gun, wave it around, threaten to shoot you. You refuse to drop your knife. I start to fire. I end up wounding you grievously, and also killing several bystanders nearby.

Who’s “fault” is it? Yours, I suppose. But what if I had responded to your initial blow with a solid punch of my own, instead of pulling out my knife? And what if I had — either before or after this incident — been willing to negotiate our mutual grievances?

Like the Jew said, blessed are the peacemakers.

In case anyone cares, the grievances that need to be addressed, either before or afterwards, are the need for Hizbollah to disarm, and for Israel to turn over its maps revealing landmines that it had planted during its occupation of Southern Lebanon, return Sheeba Farms to Lebanon, and respond to the demand that Samir Kuntar be released (which hopefully they will refuse to do).

]]> By: cathyf http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80537 cathyf Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:36:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/07/31/is-qana-another-jenin/#comment-80537 <blockquote>For someone to accept the Hez side of the story, without any criticism nor question, is frankly, absurd.</blockquote>Well, notice what Hezbollah's story <i>is</i>. That the took a weapon which is a war crime (nails added to the warhead to kill civilians), used a launcher which is a war crime (not precision, aimed at cities), and used it from a location which is a war crime (civilian house with civilians inside.) A War Crimes Hat Trick if you will. My criticism is of the people who think Israel is the guilty party, and my question is, "are you <i>freaking insane</i>?!?!?" Markus, suppose you are driving down a busy street. I am walking on the sidewalk. All of a sudden I grab a passerby and throw him in front of your car. You have no choice and hit the guy and kill him. Who killed the guy, you or me? cathy :-)

For someone to accept the Hez side of the story, without any criticism nor question, is frankly, absurd.

Well, notice what Hezbollah’s story is. That the took a weapon which is a war crime (nails added to the warhead to kill civilians), used a launcher which is a war crime (not precision, aimed at cities), and used it from a location which is a war crime (civilian house with civilians inside.) A War Crimes Hat Trick if you will. My criticism is of the people who think Israel is the guilty party, and my question is, “are you freaking insane?!?!?”

Markus, suppose you are driving down a busy street. I am walking on the sidewalk. All of a sudden I grab a passerby and throw him in front of your car. You have no choice and hit the guy and kill him. Who killed the guy, you or me?

cathy :-)

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