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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/10/29/politics-religion-and-sex/#comment-82615</link>
		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The oddest conceit of the Left is that it is somehow &quot;reality based&quot;, while those who disagree with it somehow aren&#039;t.  I think this is because so many lefties think that all their opponents are Pat Robertson zombies, and it doesn&#039;t occur to them that the vast majority of non-lefties are quite secular and are not infrequently trained in the sciences.

Even most devout Christians are willing to argue science as science and won&#039;t drag religion into the debate unless a hot-button, religiously charged topic like abortion is being discussed.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The oddest conceit of the Left is that it is somehow &#8220;reality based&#8221;, while those who disagree with it somehow aren&#8217;t.  I think this is because so many lefties think that all their opponents are Pat Robertson zombies, and it doesn&#8217;t occur to them that the vast majority of non-lefties are quite secular and are not infrequently trained in the sciences.</p>
<p>Even most devout Christians are willing to argue science as science and won&#8217;t drag religion into the debate unless a hot-button, religiously charged topic like abortion is being discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d answer:

&quot;Honey, you&#039;re right, the truth *is* out there, and there *is* no excuse for self-imposed ignorance. On that we can agree!&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d answer:</p>
<p>&#8220;Honey, you&#8217;re right, the truth *is* out there, and there *is* no excuse for self-imposed ignorance. On that we can agree!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: miapulp</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/10/29/politics-religion-and-sex/#comment-82613</link>
		<dc:creator>miapulp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the NY Times article was pretty good.  So, in the spirit of reconciliation and because the article made the Dems look to be the most aggrieved parties, I sent it to both my sister and one of my more baffled used-to-be friends.

Nothing from my sister.

But I thought you all might enjoy the response from my used-to-be friend.  I&#039;m thinking he didn&#039;t even read the article perhaps assuming it was from the Rush Limbaugh newsletter. Another hilarious twist of logic since I have NEVER quoted Rush or FOX news to him.

Okay.  Here it is....

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What I notice most often from the Right is an    ostrich approach to reality.  Suggest facts documented in book after book on every argument in their arsenal and they refuse to become aware, preferring to get what Rush and the fellas at Fox say or don&#039;t mention about it.

There, to me, is no excuse for imposing ignorance on ones self for the sake of not coming off of an erroneous position.  That&#039;s what boggles me.  It&#039;s like Creationists refuting Darwin by refusing to examine what he actually says about natural selection and outlawing its teaching.  This has spread to the political arena.  I&#039;d expect yahoos from the Bible Belt to be that way.

I would not expect self imposed ignorance from you.  The truth has been published.  Ignoring it keeps the murdering facists now maurading in your nation&#039;s name in power.  It&#039;s that simple.

+++++++++++++++

Uh, if I weren&#039;t so stoooooopid, I think I might feel like I was insulted therein....

But like they always tell me, &#039;fascist is as fascist does.&#039;  Shame drapes over my mortal soul.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the NY Times article was pretty good.  So, in the spirit of reconciliation and because the article made the Dems look to be the most aggrieved parties, I sent it to both my sister and one of my more baffled used-to-be friends.</p>
<p>Nothing from my sister.</p>
<p>But I thought you all might enjoy the response from my used-to-be friend.  I&#8217;m thinking he didn&#8217;t even read the article perhaps assuming it was from the Rush Limbaugh newsletter. Another hilarious twist of logic since I have NEVER quoted Rush or FOX news to him.</p>
<p>Okay.  Here it is&#8230;.</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>What I notice most often from the Right is an    ostrich approach to reality.  Suggest facts documented in book after book on every argument in their arsenal and they refuse to become aware, preferring to get what Rush and the fellas at Fox say or don&#8217;t mention about it.</p>
<p>There, to me, is no excuse for imposing ignorance on ones self for the sake of not coming off of an erroneous position.  That&#8217;s what boggles me.  It&#8217;s like Creationists refuting Darwin by refusing to examine what he actually says about natural selection and outlawing its teaching.  This has spread to the political arena.  I&#8217;d expect yahoos from the Bible Belt to be that way.</p>
<p>I would not expect self imposed ignorance from you.  The truth has been published.  Ignoring it keeps the murdering facists now maurading in your nation&#8217;s name in power.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>+++++++++++++++</p>
<p>Uh, if I weren&#8217;t so stoooooopid, I think I might feel like I was insulted therein&#8230;.</p>
<p>But like they always tell me, &#8216;fascist is as fascist does.&#8217;  Shame drapes over my mortal soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL--you&#039;re asking &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; ?!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8211;you&#8217;re asking <i>me</i> ?!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Dauphin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Dauphin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy,

You&#039;re too kind. But since when have I ever made any sense :&gt;)?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re too kind. But since when have I ever made any sense :&gt;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Roger--to make the globe&#039;s problems &quot;all about Bush (and his Bushies)&quot; is to hide in plain sight--to be fearful, yet too lazy to worry much--and too proud to see it.

Also, thought I&#039;d mention that Barry--with his New Orleans ties--was one of the few people who early-on made any sense out of the Katrina event; the way the thing became what it is in the national memory.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Roger&#8211;to make the globe&#8217;s problems &#8220;all about Bush (and his Bushies)&#8221; is to hide in plain sight&#8211;to be fearful, yet too lazy to worry much&#8211;and too proud to see it.</p>
<p>Also, thought I&#8217;d mention that Barry&#8211;with his New Orleans ties&#8211;was one of the few people who early-on made any sense out of the Katrina event; the way the thing became what it is in the national memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Dauphin</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/10/29/politics-religion-and-sex/#comment-82609</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Dauphin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roger

It was a small bit of courage, but many others exhibit a lot more of it than me. Bush serves as the convenient repository for so much. I believe that many otherwise very smart people are completely indignant that this &quot;dummy&quot; is President (much like Reagan was vilified). What is sometimes amusing, but more often terrifying, is the spectrre of so many intelligent, &quot;right thinking&quot; folks communicating their political beliefs via slogans and the kind of cutesy soundbites they so often ridicule. I&#039;m sure Herr Doktor Freud had a term for it-&lt;i&gt;projection&lt;/i&gt; (Gesundheit!-ed). Or, perhaps, it was Anna, who actually put together the list of defense mechanisms. All in the family.

What I find so interesting, at times, is that the reasons for the war in Iraq and the WoT are actually quite complex, but whenever Bush begins to suggest any complexity, it&#039;s all, &quot;Bush lied&quot;. I get enraged at times, but by itself that is not effective enough and not good for my health (mental and otherwise). So, I invest in making comments here, elsewhere and at our blog (started by commenters on Roger L. Simon.com) and contributing where I can to discussion and sending money for the vets and troops in the field.

Actually, I head to Pasadena this weekend for a psychoanalytic conference. We&#039;ll see how brave/cowardly I am if things get started there. It&#039;s right before the election. Last time I saw some of these folks, a few were equating Israel with Nazi Germany (and they were Jewish--yikes). It&#039;s enough to want to make this currently agnostic, but Jesuit educated (including Latin &amp; Greek) guy say, &lt;i&gt;oy vey!&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Roger</p>
<p>It was a small bit of courage, but many others exhibit a lot more of it than me. Bush serves as the convenient repository for so much. I believe that many otherwise very smart people are completely indignant that this &#8220;dummy&#8221; is President (much like Reagan was vilified). What is sometimes amusing, but more often terrifying, is the spectrre of so many intelligent, &#8220;right thinking&#8221; folks communicating their political beliefs via slogans and the kind of cutesy soundbites they so often ridicule. I&#8217;m sure Herr Doktor Freud had a term for it-<i>projection</i> (Gesundheit!-ed). Or, perhaps, it was Anna, who actually put together the list of defense mechanisms. All in the family.</p>
<p>What I find so interesting, at times, is that the reasons for the war in Iraq and the WoT are actually quite complex, but whenever Bush begins to suggest any complexity, it&#8217;s all, &#8220;Bush lied&#8221;. I get enraged at times, but by itself that is not effective enough and not good for my health (mental and otherwise). So, I invest in making comments here, elsewhere and at our blog (started by commenters on Roger L. Simon.com) and contributing where I can to discussion and sending money for the vets and troops in the field.</p>
<p>Actually, I head to Pasadena this weekend for a psychoanalytic conference. We&#8217;ll see how brave/cowardly I am if things get started there. It&#8217;s right before the election. Last time I saw some of these folks, a few were equating Israel with Nazi Germany (and they were Jewish&#8211;yikes). It&#8217;s enough to want to make this currently agnostic, but Jesuit educated (including Latin &amp; Greek) guy say, <i>oy vey!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry Dauphin, color me impressed.  I doubt I would have had your courage in your place, even though I am (obviously) a blabbermouth.  I do not, however, share your amusement at the term &quot;Bushie&quot;.  Well, maybe I do in a dark way.  But it never ceases to amaze me that these people think any of this is really about Bush.  If it only it were.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Dauphin, color me impressed.  I doubt I would have had your courage in your place, even though I am (obviously) a blabbermouth.  I do not, however, share your amusement at the term &#8220;Bushie&#8221;.  Well, maybe I do in a dark way.  But it never ceases to amaze me that these people think any of this is really about Bush.  If it only it were.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Dauphin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Dauphin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luther,

Thanks. It&#039;s interesting that it should have even been in question. Sometimes all one can do is chuckle.

Captain,

There&#039;s surely some possibility of that, although I&#039;m quite sure for some that being a &quot;Bushie&quot; (even the way it was expressed is amusing) is, in the words of Frank Costanza, &quot;This, this... this isn&#039;t my kind of guy.&quot; Believe me, I felt quite nervous about raising my hand, but I knew I&#039;d have felt worse if I hadn&#039;t in that context.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luther,</p>
<p>Thanks. It&#8217;s interesting that it should have even been in question. Sometimes all one can do is chuckle.</p>
<p>Captain,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s surely some possibility of that, although I&#8217;m quite sure for some that being a &#8220;Bushie&#8221; (even the way it was expressed is amusing) is, in the words of Frank Costanza, &#8220;This, this&#8230; this isn&#8217;t my kind of guy.&#8221; Believe me, I felt quite nervous about raising my hand, but I knew I&#8217;d have felt worse if I hadn&#8217;t in that context.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Zacek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Zacek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean Hillary Clinton DOESN&#039;T eat aborted fetuses?  And what&#039;s wrong with a horn?  I consider mine a fashion statement.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Hillary Clinton DOESN&#8217;T eat aborted fetuses?  And what&#8217;s wrong with a horn?  I consider mine a fashion statement.</p>
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