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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, Officer Krupke, what investment firms actually say is that past performance is no guarantee of future results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Officer Krupke, what investment firms actually say is that past performance is no guarantee of future results.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofc. Krupke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofc. Krupke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Holsinger,

To paraphrase the investment firms, past performance is a pretty good indicator of future results.  The demographic trends Steyn notes in Europe have been in place a long time.  This does not guarantee they won&#039;t change, but it would take something extremely dramatic to cause them to.

And, frankly, Steyn&#039;s analysis seems a lot less &quot;facile&quot; than Peters&#039; simplistic declarations that, well, Europe had violent ethnic nationalism in the past, so they will again.  Europe has changed.  And the talk about Viking descendents is a little silly.  These people think &quot;cowboy&quot; is a perjorative, for Pete&#039;s sake.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Holsinger,</p>
<p>To paraphrase the investment firms, past performance is a pretty good indicator of future results.  The demographic trends Steyn notes in Europe have been in place a long time.  This does not guarantee they won&#8217;t change, but it would take something extremely dramatic to cause them to.</p>
<p>And, frankly, Steyn&#8217;s analysis seems a lot less &#8220;facile&#8221; than Peters&#8217; simplistic declarations that, well, Europe had violent ethnic nationalism in the past, so they will again.  Europe has changed.  And the talk about Viking descendents is a little silly.  These people think &#8220;cowboy&#8221; is a perjorative, for Pete&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: JBR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do people think that Saudi Arabia and Iran (i.e. Europe&#039;s major oil suppliers) would react to Europe&#039;s taking the course that Peters predicts?  Not well, I&#039;m guessing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do people think that Saudi Arabia and Iran (i.e. Europe&#8217;s major oil suppliers) would react to Europe&#8217;s taking the course that Peters predicts?  Not well, I&#8217;m guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peters properly criticizes Steyn&#039;s facile straight-line analysis.  Things rarely go on as before for the duration Steyn assumes.

BTW, the Germans haven&#039;t changed a bit.  IMO Peters was correct that the lucky Muslims will be those who are only deported.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peters properly criticizes Steyn&#8217;s facile straight-line analysis.  Things rarely go on as before for the duration Steyn assumes.</p>
<p>BTW, the Germans haven&#8217;t changed a bit.  IMO Peters was correct that the lucky Muslims will be those who are only deported.</p>
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		<title>By: Always right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray Zacek,

I&#039;ve been saying that Dr. Who (or whoever with the time machine) should have gone back and flush the first koran years ago.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Zacek,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying that Dr. Who (or whoever with the time machine) should have gone back and flush the first koran years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peters&#039; argument might also have been made on behalf of Rome circa 400 AD. The Romans had indeed kicked the collective butts of most of the western world for hundreds of years. Perhaps he&#039;s right, but he fails to address Steyn et al&#039;s main thesis--the danger of radically declining birth rates.

The math is simple. Europe is depopulating. That doesn&#039;t make Eurabia inevitable--only more likely.

Certainly, Europeans can be a bloody bunch. Verdun saw almost a million casualties, but old or absent fascists aren&#039;t very effective. In 20 years most Spaniards will be old or dead. Italians, too. The new Mussolini better be a geriatrician.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peters&#8217; argument might also have been made on behalf of Rome circa 400 AD. The Romans had indeed kicked the collective butts of most of the western world for hundreds of years. Perhaps he&#8217;s right, but he fails to address Steyn et al&#8217;s main thesis&#8211;the danger of radically declining birth rates.</p>
<p>The math is simple. Europe is depopulating. That doesn&#8217;t make Eurabia inevitable&#8211;only more likely.</p>
<p>Certainly, Europeans can be a bloody bunch. Verdun saw almost a million casualties, but old or absent fascists aren&#8217;t very effective. In 20 years most Spaniards will be old or dead. Italians, too. The new Mussolini better be a geriatrician.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LarryD quoted:  &quot;The call for state intervention in the minute details of family life ...&quot;

Sounds like they are readying for &quot;1984&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LarryD quoted:  &#8220;The call for state intervention in the minute details of family life &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like they are readying for &#8220;1984&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: ShoreMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShoreMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray Zacek predicts: &quot;the Vikings will stumble on a time machine, invented by Nikolai Tesla and abandoned in medieval Sweden, and use it to transport themselves to contemporary Europe to kick Muslim butt.&quot;

In the meantime, rather than hold their breath waiting for the Vikings to save them, they&#039;ll order prayer rugs in bulk online. Just to hedge their bets, dontcha know?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Zacek predicts: &#8220;the Vikings will stumble on a time machine, invented by Nikolai Tesla and abandoned in medieval Sweden, and use it to transport themselves to contemporary Europe to kick Muslim butt.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the meantime, rather than hold their breath waiting for the Vikings to save them, they&#8217;ll order prayer rugs in bulk online. Just to hedge their bets, dontcha know?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Zacek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Zacek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dclydew wrote: Ever notice that people always seem to predict an outcome that fits with their perceptions about reality?

How could one predict an outcome that did not conform with one&#039;s notion of reality?  That&#039;s called  science fiction or magical realism or delusion, no? Hence I predict the Vikings will stumble on a time machine, invented by Nikolai Tesla and abandoned in medieval Sweden, and use it to transport themselves to contemporary Europe to kick Muslim butt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dclydew wrote: Ever notice that people always seem to predict an outcome that fits with their perceptions about reality?</p>
<p>How could one predict an outcome that did not conform with one&#8217;s notion of reality?  That&#8217;s called  science fiction or magical realism or delusion, no? Hence I predict the Vikings will stumble on a time machine, invented by Nikolai Tesla and abandoned in medieval Sweden, and use it to transport themselves to contemporary Europe to kick Muslim butt.</p>
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		<title>By: Coisty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coisty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ralph Peters is more cynical about Europeans than I am&lt;/i&gt;

Peters isn&#039;t just cynical about Europeans he&#039;s seething with bitter hatred for them. (In fact all his articles seem to be written whilst in a state of rage). He reduces all of Europe&#039;s diverse people and long history to the Holocaust and maybe the Spanish Inquisition. Last year he said Americans should side with Muslims against &quot;the effete bigots on the banks of the Seine&quot; during the &quot;French intifada&quot; then he all but sided with angry Muslims against the Danes during the cartoon controversy.

He&#039;s always been a ranter but recently I think he&#039;s come unhinged. His attack a couple of months ago on Americans for their supposed anti-Muslim bigotry was a jaw-dropper.

I think Steyn is too pessimistic about Europe&#039;s demise - even though Steyn occasionally sounds happy about it. But at least he&#039;s capable of calm assessment. Peters needs to calm down if he expects people to take his views seriously.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ralph Peters is more cynical about Europeans than I am</i></p>
<p>Peters isn&#8217;t just cynical about Europeans he&#8217;s seething with bitter hatred for them. (In fact all his articles seem to be written whilst in a state of rage). He reduces all of Europe&#8217;s diverse people and long history to the Holocaust and maybe the Spanish Inquisition. Last year he said Americans should side with Muslims against &#8220;the effete bigots on the banks of the Seine&#8221; during the &#8220;French intifada&#8221; then he all but sided with angry Muslims against the Danes during the cartoon controversy.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s always been a ranter but recently I think he&#8217;s come unhinged. His attack a couple of months ago on Americans for their supposed anti-Muslim bigotry was a jaw-dropper.</p>
<p>I think Steyn is too pessimistic about Europe&#8217;s demise &#8211; even though Steyn occasionally sounds happy about it. But at least he&#8217;s capable of calm assessment. Peters needs to calm down if he expects people to take his views seriously.</p>
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