Comments on: Sandy Berger – a rumination

By: David2

David2 — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:11:51 +0000

Traitors disturb because they remind us that they enemy has sometimes found a way into our innermost corridors of power.
We don’t like to think about that.
I admire our young soldiers, our children, for many reasons. And for this reason I admire them the most. And am in awe of them, in fact.
They know someone in their chain of command may be the person they are fighting and the enemy who is trying to kill them.
And they choose to fight, anyway.

By: Sandy P

Sandy P — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:46:50 +0000

Well, Mr. Lairo, we’ll know in about 40 years, won’t we, when the Senate files are opened.

By: Luther McLeod

Luther McLeod — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:05:35 +0000

BL, I fear many would welcome the knock, after all, heaven forbid they should stray from the path. I mean, if your betters have decided you have done wrong, then who the hell are you… I fear, in some ways, we have come to that simplistic appraisal.

Independence and Freedom of the Individual are, as they always have been, I suppose, under attack.

dclydew, you make a point, perhaps with some truth imbued. But I submit that much of this crap could be ended with a few of the old virtues. Embarrassment, shame and community ostracism for idiot’s, who aren’t really idiot’s, but deluded by their smartness. Their simple desire to tell everyone else what the hell to do. IOW’s sheer ego. And we let them get away with it.

By: Buddy Larsen

Buddy Larsen — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:27:30 +0000

Better to lose sleep than to wake up to the midnight knock on the door.

By: Buddy Larsen

Buddy Larsen — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:07:18 +0000

Granted all that, dclydew, if we just give up in hopelessness, it’s certain to get even worse.

By: dclydew

dclydew — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:52:02 +0000

Don’t lose sleep over it Rodger… It’s the way of our nation, apparently. What political leaders haven’t yet been touched by scandal? Which political leaders have stood up and said “Hey everyone, I screwed up really badly… sorry about that!”?

None of it matters in the end though. If every instance of corruption, cover up, scandal and bullshit were properly dealt with, I fear we would have no government at all. The Democrats and the Republicans both have abused the American trust time and again. Is Sandy really so surprising? From the administration that gave us Waco and Ruby Ridge… a little theft matters? Come on, wake up and realize that the government is not a place with a little scandal here and there… its full up to its rotting neck in abuse and misuse of power. From Watergate to Waco, from the Civil War to the Patriot Act, from Iran-Contra to warrentless wiretaps… most members of the government seem to do whatever they think they can get away with.

Sandy Berger will soon have his own talk radio show with other greats like G. Gordon Liddy and Ollie North. They will all spout their political bullshit and those that feed on such bile will think these men are true Patriots. All the while, our nation will continue to fall further and further into a impotent and distrusted bureaucracy without anyone remembering exactly how it became such.

Don’t lose sleep over the antics of Sandy, lose sleep over the convulsions of Uncle Sam.

By: Godzilla

Godzilla — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:50:54 +0000

But many will vote away their personal freedom for a bowl of lentils, especially when they feel spiritually and personally uncertain, frail, and lacking in a “support system”.

Genesis, Chapter 25:

29 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:
30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.
31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.
32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?
33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.

By: Buddy Larsen

Buddy Larsen — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:50:47 +0000

Neither wisdom, nor common sense, resides in Washington, DC; it resides elsewhere – in our people in our towns. Washington, DC obtains its power from the income tax, and the ignominous power of vote-buying.

But many will vote away their personal freedom for a bowl of lentils, especially when they feel spiritually and personally uncertain, frail, and lacking in a “support system”.

(snip from a slightly larger piece @ Maggie’s Farm)

By: Bostonian

Bostonian — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:24:02 +0000

Well, gosh, if the people policing Wikipedia say Berger didn’t destroy any originals, then he didn’t.

That settles that.

I’m so glad to leave this to the experts.

By: Buddy Larsen

Buddy Larsen — Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:47:20 +0000

Peter, the saddest reality of all is that so many people are so determined to remain forever blindly oblivious to the sad array of fundamental tenets of Clintonism.

Just listen to you–since the personal behavior of a president is “only tangentially related to the national interest” then there is no reason for a president (who, remember, ran for the office) to have any standard of behavior other than his own fancy.

Any reason he couldn’t behave? Knowing the nightmare his cheap thrills could cause the billions of people who value these things differently?

It’s not as if he was stricken by bad fortune, you know–he was a president, husband, and father with free choice and unlimited opportunity to not seduce his barely-adult employee.

And then with another free choice not to paralyze the nation trying to weasle out of the opprobrium following bad choice #1.

Yet you blame the people who were angry, and call them “venomous”.

Well, here’s what I think: attitudes such as yours are a grave weakness in our culture.

Dignity, respect–ok, ‘morality’–are “tangential”? Tangential to what ?