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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88420</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole brouhaha was deliberately engineered in order to &quot;make a record&quot; which, although it might be &quot;controversial&quot; (with the VRWC as usual objecting), would still do yeoman work as a fascist emblem to rally against.

The actual facts only matter insofar as something was needed to create a premise.

It&#039;s called &quot;propaganda&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole brouhaha was deliberately engineered in order to &#8220;make a record&#8221; which, although it might be &#8220;controversial&#8221; (with the VRWC as usual objecting), would still do yeoman work as a fascist emblem to rally against.</p>
<p>The actual facts only matter insofar as something was needed to create a premise.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8220;propaganda&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Hate</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88419</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Hate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t these wiretaps only on calls where one party was out of the country?  And weren&#039;t they eventually reviewed with a judge who could blow the whistle if abuses were done?  I get calls from outside the country all the time, some from the Middle East.  You don&#039;t honestly think that any group of rational, non-suicidal people would think that my &quot;right&quot; to converse electronically and free from possible surveillance with people who might consider us &quot;the Great Satan&quot; would supercede the rights of everybody else to not come into close proximity with bottled sunshine, do you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t these wiretaps only on calls where one party was out of the country?  And weren&#8217;t they eventually reviewed with a judge who could blow the whistle if abuses were done?  I get calls from outside the country all the time, some from the Middle East.  You don&#8217;t honestly think that any group of rational, non-suicidal people would think that my &#8220;right&#8221; to converse electronically and free from possible surveillance with people who might consider us &#8220;the Great Satan&#8221; would supercede the rights of everybody else to not come into close proximity with bottled sunshine, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Luther McLeod</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88418</link>
		<dc:creator>Luther McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you read the Posner link dclydew? I read him for years in TNR. He usually makes a lot of sense, whether I agreed with him or not. Does he not make sense now? Are a few (or maybe many) wiretaps without the proper signatures, equal too seeing that bright flash? Honest question. Is that really the beam upon which we balance? Ideals occasionally meet &#039;fist in the gut&#039; reality. The outcome is predetermined in that case.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read the Posner link dclydew? I read him for years in TNR. He usually makes a lot of sense, whether I agreed with him or not. Does he not make sense now? Are a few (or maybe many) wiretaps without the proper signatures, equal too seeing that bright flash? Honest question. Is that really the beam upon which we balance? Ideals occasionally meet &#8216;fist in the gut&#8217; reality. The outcome is predetermined in that case.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88417</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D, am I wrong to surmise that the &quot;wiretapping president&quot; is pretty much a bumper sticker charge, one of many made (and being made) &lt;i&gt;mostly&lt;/i&gt; as part of a Dem long-range strategy to ensure that regardless of the actual actions/inactions of either, there would be as much ink and breath expended on Bad Bush as there had been on Bad Clinton?

Monica doesn&#039;t bother me. She&#039;s a fig leaf, anyway, that Dems use to cover everything else.

She covers scandal after scandal, the worst of which, IMHO, national security-wise, and among those which a truly politicized Reno Justice Dept whitewashed, the administration&#039;s secret dealings with the Chinese military, by which the PRC jumped a ten year generation in MIRV warhead accuracy. No, it wasn&#039;t &quot;just&quot; Monica.

Like does not equate law, and manufactured scandals do not equate real scandals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D, am I wrong to surmise that the &#8220;wiretapping president&#8221; is pretty much a bumper sticker charge, one of many made (and being made) <i>mostly</i> as part of a Dem long-range strategy to ensure that regardless of the actual actions/inactions of either, there would be as much ink and breath expended on Bad Bush as there had been on Bad Clinton?</p>
<p>Monica doesn&#8217;t bother me. She&#8217;s a fig leaf, anyway, that Dems use to cover everything else.</p>
<p>She covers scandal after scandal, the worst of which, IMHO, national security-wise, and among those which a truly politicized Reno Justice Dept whitewashed, the administration&#8217;s secret dealings with the Chinese military, by which the PRC jumped a ten year generation in MIRV warhead accuracy. No, it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;just&#8221; Monica.</p>
<p>Like does not equate law, and manufactured scandals do not equate real scandals.</p>
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		<title>By: dclydew</title>
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		<dc:creator>dclydew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capt. Hate,

Well, I think we&#039;ll just have to disagree, I &#039;m probably more ideological than the average I guess. However...

&lt;i&gt;You have sand in your thong over FISA and the wiretaps: Too bad, I like it.&lt;/i&gt;

Bill Clinton probably liked Monica too... but lying under oath is breaking the law. Wiretaps without FISA signatures... thats breaking the law too. I personally would argue that the federal government circumventing specific controls that were designed to keep it in check... may be a bit more serious than lying about one&#039;s choice of interns.

Like does not equate Law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capt. Hate,</p>
<p>Well, I think we&#8217;ll just have to disagree, I &#8216;m probably more ideological than the average I guess. However&#8230;</p>
<p><i>You have sand in your thong over FISA and the wiretaps: Too bad, I like it.</i></p>
<p>Bill Clinton probably liked Monica too&#8230; but lying under oath is breaking the law. Wiretaps without FISA signatures&#8230; thats breaking the law too. I personally would argue that the federal government circumventing specific controls that were designed to keep it in check&#8230; may be a bit more serious than lying about one&#8217;s choice of interns.</p>
<p>Like does not equate Law.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Hate</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88415</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Hate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s not a very long list for 12 years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s not a very long list for 12 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Hate</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/06/27/fairness-for-what-and-whom/#comment-88414</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Hate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dclydew,

First of all thanks for responding to my question.  I pretty much agree with Buddy in his responses but I&#039;d like to add a comment regarding your first example:  I strongly suspect that was a reaction to the media&#039;s hysterical and erroneous interpretation of the Constitution regarding the power of the President to go over the heads of local officials in Katrina.  Bush was lambasted by every two-bit hustler for following the law and the MSM just joined in.  So yes, the Congress was probably pretty stoopid in reacting that way (and it probably wouldn&#039;t have withstood a Constitutional challenge) rather than telling them to STFU and here&#039;s what the law specifies, but I doubt that coverage of that would&#039;ve been fair and balanced.  You have sand in your thong over FISA and the wiretaps:  Too bad, I like it.

I share your feelings on the demise of anything-but-huge government but we&#039;re just pissing in the wind these days.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dclydew,</p>
<p>First of all thanks for responding to my question.  I pretty much agree with Buddy in his responses but I&#8217;d like to add a comment regarding your first example:  I strongly suspect that was a reaction to the media&#8217;s hysterical and erroneous interpretation of the Constitution regarding the power of the President to go over the heads of local officials in Katrina.  Bush was lambasted by every two-bit hustler for following the law and the MSM just joined in.  So yes, the Congress was probably pretty stoopid in reacting that way (and it probably wouldn&#8217;t have withstood a Constitutional challenge) rather than telling them to STFU and here&#8217;s what the law specifies, but I doubt that coverage of that would&#8217;ve been fair and balanced.  You have sand in your thong over FISA and the wiretaps:  Too bad, I like it.</p>
<p>I share your feelings on the demise of anything-but-huge government but we&#8217;re just pissing in the wind these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASgree, Barrett--fresh start will let us loose from from all these thought tangles.

Would like to remind that, in light of the fact that USA has grown a China-sized economy over the last four years, those spending numbers are far less horrifying when properly viewed as percentages of the various bases, such as GDP.

Using absolute numbers alone is if you think about it, political, in that it seeks to persuade that there is no other number in the equation. There is of course; spending a hundred dollars is not the same thing to a person with a hundred dollars as it is to a person with a thousand dollars. Though both spent a hundred dollars.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASgree, Barrett&#8211;fresh start will let us loose from from all these thought tangles.</p>
<p>Would like to remind that, in light of the fact that USA has grown a China-sized economy over the last four years, those spending numbers are far less horrifying when properly viewed as percentages of the various bases, such as GDP.</p>
<p>Using absolute numbers alone is if you think about it, political, in that it seeks to persuade that there is no other number in the equation. There is of course; spending a hundred dollars is not the same thing to a person with a hundred dollars as it is to a person with a thousand dollars. Though both spent a hundred dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dclydew and Buddy,

You are both right.

I must admit that GWB is not what I would call a conservative nor does he have consistently conservative values (e.g. smaller government, less regulation, pro-small business, more personal responsibility, etc.).  This is borne out of his actions, including the immigration debacle, prescription drug plan, failure to make permanent tax cuts, failure to reduce the size of government - look at the employment numbers - and allowing spending at rate that borders on immoral.

He has responded to 9/11 against an supra-national enemy, and, so far whether by luck or good work, we have not had another incident.  In dclydew&#039;s favor, is my view that GWB could have accomplished some of the same objectives in different ways.

God forbid where we would have been if Gore was President.

What we need in 2008 is for someone like Newt in the White House and hope that the Senate and Congress largely turnover.  A chance to start over if you will.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dclydew and Buddy,</p>
<p>You are both right.</p>
<p>I must admit that GWB is not what I would call a conservative nor does he have consistently conservative values (e.g. smaller government, less regulation, pro-small business, more personal responsibility, etc.).  This is borne out of his actions, including the immigration debacle, prescription drug plan, failure to make permanent tax cuts, failure to reduce the size of government &#8211; look at the employment numbers &#8211; and allowing spending at rate that borders on immoral.</p>
<p>He has responded to 9/11 against an supra-national enemy, and, so far whether by luck or good work, we have not had another incident.  In dclydew&#8217;s favor, is my view that GWB could have accomplished some of the same objectives in different ways.</p>
<p>God forbid where we would have been if Gore was President.</p>
<p>What we need in 2008 is for someone like Newt in the White House and hope that the Senate and Congress largely turnover.  A chance to start over if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Luther McLeod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t meaning too be critical D., just saying is all... I&#039;m guilty of same myself, even after sixty years of experience. And Buddy&#039;s right, it&#039;s better than the &quot;other direction.&quot;

As too your points above, I share your concern on a few of them. But as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/posner_proposes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judge Posner&lt;/a&gt; points out, we face incredible danger. I over dramatize I suppose, but given a choice between a slight tarnishing of the &quot;ideal&quot; of the law and dying from a sudden bright blinding flash, I will choose the former.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t meaning too be critical D., just saying is all&#8230; I&#8217;m guilty of same myself, even after sixty years of experience. And Buddy&#8217;s right, it&#8217;s better than the &#8220;other direction.&#8221;</p>
<p>As too your points above, I share your concern on a few of them. But as <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/06/posner_proposes.html" rel="nofollow">Judge Posner</a> points out, we face incredible danger. I over dramatize I suppose, but given a choice between a slight tarnishing of the &#8220;ideal&#8221; of the law and dying from a sudden bright blinding flash, I will choose the former.</p>
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