Comments on: The Revolutionary Guard, continued http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:00:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: photoncourier.blogspot.com http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89239 photoncourier.blogspot.com Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:00:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89239 Patrick.."Most folks don't believe a word that comes out of the mouths of muslim fanatics" Victor Davis Hanson: "When I used to read about the 1930s--the Italian invasion of Abyssinia, the rise of fascism in Italy, Spain, and Germany, the appeasement in France and Britain, the murderous duplicity of the Soviet Union, and the racist Japanese murdering in China--I never could quite figure out why, during those bleak years, Western Europeans and those in the United States did not speak out and condemn the growing madness, if only to defend the millennia-long promise of Western liberalism...But nevertheless it is still surreal to reread the fantasies of Chamberlain, Daladier, and Pope Pius, or the stump speeches by Charles Lindbergh...and baffling to consider that such men ever had any influence. Not any longer." (<a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=" rel="nofollow">link</a>) See also <a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_photoncourier_archive.html#114110178434644364" rel="nofollow">Kaiser Wilhelm or Genghis Khan?</a> and <a href="http://photoncourier.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_photoncourier_archive.html#114092753780598887" rel="nofollow">When National Leaders are Madmen</a>. Patrick..”Most folks don’t believe a word that comes out of the mouths of muslim fanatics”

Victor Davis Hanson:

“When I used to read about the 1930s–the Italian invasion of Abyssinia, the rise of fascism in Italy, Spain, and Germany, the appeasement in France and Britain, the murderous duplicity of the Soviet Union, and the racist Japanese murdering in China–I never could quite figure out why, during those bleak years, Western Europeans and those in the United States did not speak out and condemn the growing madness, if only to defend the millennia-long promise of Western liberalism…But nevertheless it is still surreal to reread the fantasies of Chamberlain, Daladier, and Pope Pius, or the stump speeches by Charles Lindbergh…and baffling to consider that such men ever had any influence. Not any longer.” (link)

See also Kaiser Wilhelm or Genghis Khan? and When National Leaders are Madmen.

]]> By: ricpic http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89238 ricpic Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:54:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89238 Barrett, If I had it my way Mecca and Medina would now be smoking piles of rubble. But since I don't have it my way and America is a nice country (and I mean that, Americans are genuinely too nice to do what has to be done) what's going to happen is this: at some point in the next ten years, maybe tomorrow but more likely a few years out, one of these subhuman representatives of the death cult known as Islam will deliver a nuclear bomb to one or maybe several nuclear bombs to several American cities. It will be very bad. But when the smoke clears America will finally rear back and deliver death blows to Mohammed the likes of which have never been seen which will utterly totally obliterate the obscenity known as Islam. You and I and our loved ones may have been vaporized before that happens but it will happen. So I am fatalistic. Because I know the final outcome. We will bury them. Barrett,
If I had it my way Mecca and Medina would now be smoking piles of rubble. But since I don’t have it my way and America is a nice country (and I mean that, Americans are genuinely too nice to do what has to be done) what’s going to happen is this: at some point in the next ten years, maybe tomorrow but more likely a few years out, one of these subhuman representatives of the death cult known as Islam will deliver a nuclear bomb to one or maybe several nuclear bombs to several American cities. It will be very bad. But when the smoke clears America will finally rear back and deliver death blows to Mohammed the likes of which have never been seen which will utterly totally obliterate the obscenity known as Islam. You and I and our loved ones may have been vaporized before that happens but it will happen. So I am fatalistic. Because I know the final outcome. We will bury them.

]]> By: Barrett http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89237 Barrett Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:21:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89237 I thought this portion of Iranian eschatology was particulary fascinating. "How Beautiful and Auspicious Will Be the Day when the World is Cleansed of Deceit". The Islamists are the most deceitful people alive to today. Lie, steal, cheat, murder, break contracts, rape, pillage and plunder are all okay if it is in the "advancement of Islam." These folks are the face of evil. ajacksonian, Your post exemplifies why the IRGC is in fact a terrorist organization. ricpic, "the insiders have lost much of the original fervor." Are you kidding me? These folks are bent on our destruction and will so whenever they feel they have the capability to do so. Your view is very dangerous. Once again, the question is what is America going to do. Unfortunately, this makes the Presidential election one of great importance. I thought this portion of Iranian eschatology was particulary fascinating.

“How Beautiful and Auspicious Will Be the Day when the World is Cleansed of Deceit”. The Islamists are the most deceitful people alive to today. Lie, steal, cheat, murder, break contracts, rape, pillage and plunder are all okay if it is in the “advancement of Islam.” These folks are the face of evil.

ajacksonian,

Your post exemplifies why the IRGC is in fact a terrorist organization.

ricpic,

“the insiders have lost much of the original fervor.” Are you kidding me?

These folks are bent on our destruction and will so whenever they feel they have the capability to do so. Your view is very dangerous.

Once again, the question is what is America going to do. Unfortunately, this makes the Presidential election one of great importance.

]]> By: Lem http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89236 Lem Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:55:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89236 <i>"...the (soviet) insiders have lost much of the original fervor and have degenerated..."</i> Did you mean: <i>regenerated</i> http://tinyurl.com/2j5twv “…the (soviet) insiders have lost much of the original fervor and have degenerated…”

Did you mean: regenerated

http://tinyurl.com/2j5twv

]]> By: ricpic http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89235 ricpic Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:14:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89235 Oops. Nomenclatura. My bad. Oops. Nomenclatura. My bad.

]]> By: ricpic http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89234 ricpic Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:10:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89234 How much of what is said in the name of the IRGC is passionate true believer rhetoric and how much boilerplate is anybody's guess. My guess would be that more than thirty years after <i>any</i> revolutionary takeover the insiders have lost much of the original fervor and have degenerated into a nomenclotura similar to the Soviet nomenclotura. How much of what is said in the name of the IRGC is passionate true believer rhetoric and how much boilerplate is anybody’s guess. My guess would be that more than thirty years after any revolutionary takeover the insiders have lost much of the original fervor and have degenerated into a nomenclotura similar to the Soviet nomenclotura.

]]> By: ajacksonian http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89233 ajacksonian Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:22:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89233 I had looked at the <a href="http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/04/rising-power-inside-iran.html" rel="nofollow">IRGC a bit ago</a> and found that the power inside Iran had been shifting the last 10 years or so out of the hand so the mullahs and into the IRGC. The IRGC itself is given the task of not only overseeing the purity of Islam inside Iran, but to expanding that to a global basis. The previous Badr Brigades inside Iraq, having been INTEL and supply operations to keep Iranian influence alive while Saddam was in power, transformed itself first to an enforcement arm of SCIRI and then saw its power factionate with Sadr and the Mahdi Army. That, too, has factionated into a set of multiple Qods special groups run by Iran inside Iraq. This is the same outlook utilized to create Hezbollah in the 1980's with the help of Syria, in that case utilizing Syrian pre-existing contacts inside Lebanon to get the work done. This outlook and control is given to the IRGC by article 150 of the Iranian constitution, and is a permanent fixture on the landscape. Up until a few years ago the IRGC and the Army were different organizations, but that has since changed and the IRGC has increasing control over the regular Army, as well as controlling the Qods forces, Hezbollah, and the Baseej. That last group is very thuglike in nature, being the ones to enforce things like dress code and such, and was utilized to round up children to rush over minefields in the war against Iraq. Additionally the IRGC has hired mercenaries from the ex-Russian Republics to act as an independent force amenable only to IRGC control and oversight. Finally, on the power-side, the IRGC has all development of WMDs under its purview. The only thing not directly under their control is the civil police authorities, but those are infiltrated to a high degree and, when not reliable, they are not deployed in civil strife with the Baseej and merecenaries used, instead. At first the IRGC could not hold any legislative power, but that also changed and now the IRGC is tightening its control there, too. To the point where it actually lobbies against mullahs that are not seen as ideologically pure enough for the IRGC. What is particularly worrying is that the generation of the IRGC is one step removed from the mullahs age-wise, and more technically sophisticated than them. The concept of military run authoritarian State that is taken over by technically competent individuals seeking to expand unrest on a global basis is not a pleasing one. I had looked at the IRGC a bit ago and found that the power inside Iran had been shifting the last 10 years or so out of the hand so the mullahs and into the IRGC. The IRGC itself is given the task of not only overseeing the purity of Islam inside Iran, but to expanding that to a global basis. The previous Badr Brigades inside Iraq, having been INTEL and supply operations to keep Iranian influence alive while Saddam was in power, transformed itself first to an enforcement arm of SCIRI and then saw its power factionate with Sadr and the Mahdi Army. That, too, has factionated into a set of multiple Qods special groups run by Iran inside Iraq. This is the same outlook utilized to create Hezbollah in the 1980’s with the help of Syria, in that case utilizing Syrian pre-existing contacts inside Lebanon to get the work done.

This outlook and control is given to the IRGC by article 150 of the Iranian constitution, and is a permanent fixture on the landscape. Up until a few years ago the IRGC and the Army were different organizations, but that has since changed and the IRGC has increasing control over the regular Army, as well as controlling the Qods forces, Hezbollah, and the Baseej. That last group is very thuglike in nature, being the ones to enforce things like dress code and such, and was utilized to round up children to rush over minefields in the war against Iraq. Additionally the IRGC has hired mercenaries from the ex-Russian Republics to act as an independent force amenable only to IRGC control and oversight. Finally, on the power-side, the IRGC has all development of WMDs under its purview. The only thing not directly under their control is the civil police authorities, but those are infiltrated to a high degree and, when not reliable, they are not deployed in civil strife with the Baseej and merecenaries used, instead.

At first the IRGC could not hold any legislative power, but that also changed and now the IRGC is tightening its control there, too. To the point where it actually lobbies against mullahs that are not seen as ideologically pure enough for the IRGC. What is particularly worrying is that the generation of the IRGC is one step removed from the mullahs age-wise, and more technically sophisticated than them. The concept of military run authoritarian State that is taken over by technically competent individuals seeking to expand unrest on a global basis is not a pleasing one.

]]> By: patrick neid http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89232 patrick neid Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:44:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/16/the-revolutionary-guard-continued/#comment-89232 "Those who advocate negotiations with the Iranian regime would do well to explain to us skeptics why they think the Khomeinists (Ayatollah Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Larijani, etc.) don't believe their own ideology. So far, all indications are that they do." That about sums up the entire war on terror. Most folks don't believe a word that comes out of the mouths of muslim fanatics. It was this sentiment that had Clinton put the "criminal" label on their activities rather than deal with they were actually saying and where they are saying it i.e. thousands of Saudi funded Wahhabist mosques in this country and Europe. It gets very complicated when you actually listen. Bill preferred to listen to Monica! His wife and the same original crew mean to return us to those days. “Those who advocate negotiations with the Iranian regime would do well to explain to us skeptics why they think the Khomeinists (Ayatollah Khamenei, Ahmadinejad, Larijani, etc.) don’t believe their own ideology. So far, all indications are that they do.”

That about sums up the entire war on terror. Most folks don’t believe a word that comes out of the mouths of muslim fanatics. It was this sentiment that had Clinton put the “criminal” label on their activities rather than deal with they were actually saying and where they are saying it i.e. thousands of Saudi funded Wahhabist mosques in this country and Europe. It gets very complicated when you actually listen. Bill preferred to listen to Monica!

His wife and the same original crew mean to return us to those days.

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