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	<title>Comments on: TNR &#8211; Changing the Story</title>
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		<title>By: gk</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/22/tnr-changing-the-story/#comment-89338</link>
		<dc:creator>gk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still stand behind my &quot;pathetic and sad&quot; verdict on this mess as I don&#039;t think anyone particularly cares or reads TNR very much. Even now TNR is in the last death throes of &quot;fake but accurate&quot; defense being tossed out as they get surrogates like Andrew Sullivan or Chait to do their rhetorical fighting for them. If that isn&#039;t sad and pathetic, what is? The only thing missing from this spectacle is an appearance from Lucy Ramirez
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still stand behind my &#8220;pathetic and sad&#8221; verdict on this mess as I don&#8217;t think anyone particularly cares or reads TNR very much. Even now TNR is in the last death throes of &#8220;fake but accurate&#8221; defense being tossed out as they get surrogates like Andrew Sullivan or Chait to do their rhetorical fighting for them. If that isn&#8217;t sad and pathetic, what is? The only thing missing from this spectacle is an appearance from Lucy Ramirez</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/22/tnr-changing-the-story/#comment-89337</link>
		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could TNR be shooting for jury nullification?

In TNR&#039;s world Kristol is the war&#039;s Mark Fuhrman.

The fabulist &quot;tiny incident&quot; is nothing compared to that &#039;decrepit intellectual&#039; Kristol.

The war is the &#039;n&#039; word.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could TNR be shooting for jury nullification?</p>
<p>In TNR&#8217;s world Kristol is the war&#8217;s Mark Fuhrman.</p>
<p>The fabulist &#8220;tiny incident&#8221; is nothing compared to that &#8216;decrepit intellectual&#8217; Kristol.</p>
<p>The war is the &#8216;n&#8217; word.</p>
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		<title>By: CTRepublican</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/08/22/tnr-changing-the-story/#comment-89336</link>
		<dc:creator>CTRepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you explain why TNR should feel obligated to respond to PJs. Far as I know, PJs has not once responded to its own critics.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you explain why TNR should feel obligated to respond to PJs. Far as I know, PJs has not once responded to its own critics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Chait, I don&#039;t do this full time, but it seems to me that the NY Times op-ed by the 82nd Airborne guys is being treated with respect by the same people who are attacking Beauchamp - they may think it is mistaken but they recognize that it was done seriously and in good faith and they are engaging its arguments. The TNR pieces are fair game because they were not done in good faith and were not presented as what they really were. The difference in the reaction pretty clearly refutes both Chait and Sullivan with respect to &quot;knuckle-dragging web sites.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Chait, I don&#8217;t do this full time, but it seems to me that the NY Times op-ed by the 82nd Airborne guys is being treated with respect by the same people who are attacking Beauchamp &#8211; they may think it is mistaken but they recognize that it was done seriously and in good faith and they are engaging its arguments. The TNR pieces are fair game because they were not done in good faith and were not presented as what they really were. The difference in the reaction pretty clearly refutes both Chait and Sullivan with respect to &#8220;knuckle-dragging web sites.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we all know the Clinton legacy dictates that lying is ok as long as it is about sex.

The reason why TNR is delaying is because they haven&#039;t quite figured out how to sex up the story.

Everybody does it wont cut it.

Earth to TNR - Its not the lying, so much as the cover up that really buries you in the end.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we all know the Clinton legacy dictates that lying is ok as long as it is about sex.</p>
<p>The reason why TNR is delaying is because they haven&#8217;t quite figured out how to sex up the story.</p>
<p>Everybody does it wont cut it.</p>
<p>Earth to TNR &#8211; Its not the lying, so much as the cover up that really buries you in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Lem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is little doubt; incest can also impair the judgment of those too close to the scene.

Also see battered wife syndrome.

It could get worse before it gets better.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is little doubt; incest can also impair the judgment of those too close to the scene.</p>
<p>Also see battered wife syndrome.</p>
<p>It could get worse before it gets better.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Chait and TNR were upset and vented their furstration at Kristol, you can bet dollars to donuts that they will react to the possible busting of their &quot;budding Hemingway&quot; with even more vitriol.

This is all part of TNR as &quot;victim&quot;.

The question that TNR will try to obscure .. who is the victimizer ?

Of course, it is the fabulist, Mr. Beauchamp.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Chait and TNR were upset and vented their furstration at Kristol, you can bet dollars to donuts that they will react to the possible busting of their &#8220;budding Hemingway&#8221; with even more vitriol.</p>
<p>This is all part of TNR as &#8220;victim&#8221;.</p>
<p>The question that TNR will try to obscure .. who is the victimizer ?</p>
<p>Of course, it is the fabulist, Mr. Beauchamp.</p>
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		<title>By: ShoreMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShoreMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlanC says, &quot;Malicious propagandizing is hardly worthy of sympathy.&quot;

True, but I guess I still feel empathy for them (TNR and the rest), as they&#039;re going through some tough times. They know they&#039;re history and are extremely frustrated as they also understand they have no way out of the abyss of their own making.

I speak of management, primarily, as most of the reporters have to know what has to be done (admit it in public or not), but are powerless to take the steps needed, so draw down an ultimately dwindling paycheck in the interim.

They&#039;ll (the reporters again) get out and eventually prosper in the future; the &quot;Politico&quot; is an early example of where they&#039;ll go, though that experiment is not a foregone success at this early date.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlanC says, &#8220;Malicious propagandizing is hardly worthy of sympathy.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but I guess I still feel empathy for them (TNR and the rest), as they&#8217;re going through some tough times. They know they&#8217;re history and are extremely frustrated as they also understand they have no way out of the abyss of their own making.</p>
<p>I speak of management, primarily, as most of the reporters have to know what has to be done (admit it in public or not), but are powerless to take the steps needed, so draw down an ultimately dwindling paycheck in the interim.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll (the reporters again) get out and eventually prosper in the future; the &#8220;Politico&#8221; is an early example of where they&#8217;ll go, though that experiment is not a foregone success at this early date.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Dauphin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Dauphin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now Andrew Sullivan is defending TNR by attacking Victor David Hanson? He&#039;s not going to take back &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/saving-private-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;i&gt;Read TNR&#039;s accounting. It is as I predicted: honorable and, except for one small inaccuracy, it checks out. All the aspects aggressively challenged by the usual propaganda organs have been verified and corroborated. The military is now conducting its own investigation. Given the record of such formal investigations, I&#039;m not as confident in the Pentagon as I am in TNR. Can we now expect apologies from the people who smeared and maligned the magazine and its soldier-reporter? I doubt it. The attackers are not the kind to acknowledge their own errors.&lt;/i&gt;

or &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/07/laffaire-scott-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Well, I trawled through the various knuckle-dragging websites and there&#039;s still no actual, you know, evidence that he fabricated anything.&lt;/i&gt;

or &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/weimar-watch-i.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Again, it is fascinating that this tiny incident, in which a soldier&#039;s account of his time in the Iraq war has been disputed by his superiors, and in which we have not yet heard the final word, is of such immense importance to the pro-Bush right.&lt;/i&gt;

This case has struck a lot of nerves. Of course, excitable Andrew has long since  found another crowd to butter his bread. Where&#039;s the concern about the soldier being married to the TNR fact checker? Only in America can someone like Andrew make a buck writing. Some folks have a lot of nerve suggesting W has lost touch.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now Andrew Sullivan is defending TNR by attacking Victor David Hanson? He&#8217;s not going to take back <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/saving-private-.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>
<p><i>Read TNR&#8217;s accounting. It is as I predicted: honorable and, except for one small inaccuracy, it checks out. All the aspects aggressively challenged by the usual propaganda organs have been verified and corroborated. The military is now conducting its own investigation. Given the record of such formal investigations, I&#8217;m not as confident in the Pentagon as I am in TNR. Can we now expect apologies from the people who smeared and maligned the magazine and its soldier-reporter? I doubt it. The attackers are not the kind to acknowledge their own errors.</i></p>
<p>or <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/07/laffaire-scott-.html" rel="nofollow">this</a></p>
<p><i>Well, I trawled through the various knuckle-dragging websites and there&#8217;s still no actual, you know, evidence that he fabricated anything.</i></p>
<p>or <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/weimar-watch-i.html" rel="nofollow">this</a></p>
<p><i>Again, it is fascinating that this tiny incident, in which a soldier&#8217;s account of his time in the Iraq war has been disputed by his superiors, and in which we have not yet heard the final word, is of such immense importance to the pro-Bush right.</i></p>
<p>This case has struck a lot of nerves. Of course, excitable Andrew has long since  found another crowd to butter his bread. Where&#8217;s the concern about the soldier being married to the TNR fact checker? Only in America can someone like Andrew make a buck writing. Some folks have a lot of nerve suggesting W has lost touch.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gk says: &quot;After a while I think you just have to feel sorry for TNR and the MSM in general. &quot;

I say, why?  I feel just as sorry for TNR as I do for the suicide bomber that has a premature detonation.

Malicious propagandizing is hardly worthy of sympathy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gk says: &#8220;After a while I think you just have to feel sorry for TNR and the MSM in general. &#8221;</p>
<p>I say, why?  I feel just as sorry for TNR as I do for the suicide bomber that has a premature detonation.</p>
<p>Malicious propagandizing is hardly worthy of sympathy.</p>
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