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	<title>Comments on: Brian DePalma&#8217;s same old song</title>
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		<title>By: SVitali</title>
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		<dc:creator>SVitali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Marine having fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, DePalma&#039;s anti war propaganda is a worthless piece of junk that serves only the insurgents and fails to represent the Marine Corps in any respect.  The film was made before the Marine Corps investigated the incident. Subbsequently, many of the Marines in this incindent have been found innocent.  DePalma is a traitor. The blood of US servicemen is on his hands. As an advisor, my opinion is not speculation but based on my experiences in combat.  An example of how the simplest proproganda can be used in the Islamic culture: I commanded a US base in Afghanistan.  Someone told the Afghan Army Command that I allowed an Afghan female onto my base.  This false rumor caused a major outcry from the Afghan Army until I could assure them that I had not allowed any Afghan female on my US base.  In DePalma&#039;s film, Marines killing and raping innocent muslims will ensure many more attacks on us due to this worthless film and director.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Marine having fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, DePalma&#8217;s anti war propaganda is a worthless piece of junk that serves only the insurgents and fails to represent the Marine Corps in any respect.  The film was made before the Marine Corps investigated the incident. Subbsequently, many of the Marines in this incindent have been found innocent.  DePalma is a traitor. The blood of US servicemen is on his hands. As an advisor, my opinion is not speculation but based on my experiences in combat.  An example of how the simplest proproganda can be used in the Islamic culture: I commanded a US base in Afghanistan.  Someone told the Afghan Army Command that I allowed an Afghan female onto my base.  This false rumor caused a major outcry from the Afghan Army until I could assure them that I had not allowed any Afghan female on my US base.  In DePalma&#8217;s film, Marines killing and raping innocent muslims will ensure many more attacks on us due to this worthless film and director.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People like De Palma think that what happened in this case is what happens all the time.&quot;

You&#039;re giving De Palma too much credit.  De Palma may not know and certainly doesn&#039;t care whether this &quot;happens all the time&quot;.  He is using it deliberately for anti-American propaganda.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People like De Palma think that what happened in this case is what happens all the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re giving De Palma too much credit.  De Palma may not know and certainly doesn&#8217;t care whether this &#8220;happens all the time&#8221;.  He is using it deliberately for anti-American propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt. Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more, I am wondering exactly who are they making these movies for. Not an American audience, surely. We&#039;re known about how the market for most of the krep churned out these days is overseas.

But who makes movies for flyover-country Americans these days? I know the stories are out there, and the way people line up for the occassional movie that does resonate with the American mass audience... I mean that would be a clue, wouldn&#039;t it?

Sadly, I conclude that Michael Medved was right, when he wrote Hollywood VS America; it&#039;s almost wilfully perverse, how just about every virtue and value we cherish is trashed in the movies. I can think of a dozen Iraq war stories that would make great movies, and as many more stories from American history that would do the same... hell, I even wrote one of them myself! (here - http://www.booklocker.com/books/3004.html )but would Hollywood ever give up the foreign market and their own sense of self satisfaction?

The stories are out there, but Hollywood just looks away... which is terribly sad, really. We used to enjoy going to the movies...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more, I am wondering exactly who are they making these movies for. Not an American audience, surely. We&#8217;re known about how the market for most of the krep churned out these days is overseas.</p>
<p>But who makes movies for flyover-country Americans these days? I know the stories are out there, and the way people line up for the occassional movie that does resonate with the American mass audience&#8230; I mean that would be a clue, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Sadly, I conclude that Michael Medved was right, when he wrote Hollywood VS America; it&#8217;s almost wilfully perverse, how just about every virtue and value we cherish is trashed in the movies. I can think of a dozen Iraq war stories that would make great movies, and as many more stories from American history that would do the same&#8230; hell, I even wrote one of them myself! (here &#8211; <a href="http://www.booklocker.com/books/3004.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.booklocker.com/books/3004.html</a> )but would Hollywood ever give up the foreign market and their own sense of self satisfaction?</p>
<p>The stories are out there, but Hollywood just looks away&#8230; which is terribly sad, really. We used to enjoy going to the movies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dryfuss</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dougie, I agree in your correction regarding my wording and bow to your analysis, however if you think these films are not being distributed in terrorist training camps by those who furnished the money to make them, I fail to agree. Film makers such as DePalma are used due to there in ability to look at past history and future history. They are ignorant to what makes our country what it is &amp; condeming those out there protecting the likes of him &amp; his fellow film makers doing the same thing. For some reason they think the word &quot;RAPE&quot; IS DIRECTED TO  WOMEN, it is a word that can be administered to all societies in countries around the world, raping the coffers, but he
is not intelligent enough to see or care about anything but self interest.
However, we must be aware of all propagander in order to call it just that. By calling it what it is we can inform our service men around the world that we are behind them and inform the public
what the truth is. DePalma and his ilk will always be around to help the enemy for 24 hour fame and the almighty green back. There was that time frame in history &amp; hollywood, that beining connected to a subversive party in any way got you blacklisted from writing &amp; making a film, that no longer happens due to so much foriegn investment in our film industry.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dougie, I agree in your correction regarding my wording and bow to your analysis, however if you think these films are not being distributed in terrorist training camps by those who furnished the money to make them, I fail to agree. Film makers such as DePalma are used due to there in ability to look at past history and future history. They are ignorant to what makes our country what it is &amp; condeming those out there protecting the likes of him &amp; his fellow film makers doing the same thing. For some reason they think the word &#8220;RAPE&#8221; IS DIRECTED TO  WOMEN, it is a word that can be administered to all societies in countries around the world, raping the coffers, but he<br />
is not intelligent enough to see or care about anything but self interest.<br />
However, we must be aware of all propagander in order to call it just that. By calling it what it is we can inform our service men around the world that we are behind them and inform the public<br />
what the truth is. DePalma and his ilk will always be around to help the enemy for 24 hour fame and the almighty green back. There was that time frame in history &amp; hollywood, that beining connected to a subversive party in any way got you blacklisted from writing &amp; making a film, that no longer happens due to so much foriegn investment in our film industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>De Palma gives away his intention by his choice of subject. Then he adds the fiction to heighten his drama of questionable relevance. The publicity stills show him absolutely radiant with happiness. What a creep.
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		<title>By: MagicalPat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MagicalPat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For years we get sanctimonious lectures from Hollywood about how we can&#039;t let the actions of a few define the entire group.&lt;/i&gt;

Tom,

You are so correct. And in this instance, we are talking about the actions of a handful of soldiers out of 150,000.

I suppose we can now look forward to a movie insinuating that all homosexuals are pedophiles since a small handful happen to be so.

They can also make the film about every illegal immigrant committing vehicular manslaughter while under the influence.After all, we do happen to have a few disturbing cases in the news right now, and stuff like that supposedly gets DePalma&#039;s attention.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For years we get sanctimonious lectures from Hollywood about how we can&#8217;t let the actions of a few define the entire group.</i></p>
<p>Tom,</p>
<p>You are so correct. And in this instance, we are talking about the actions of a handful of soldiers out of 150,000.</p>
<p>I suppose we can now look forward to a movie insinuating that all homosexuals are pedophiles since a small handful happen to be so.</p>
<p>They can also make the film about every illegal immigrant committing vehicular manslaughter while under the influence.After all, we do happen to have a few disturbing cases in the news right now, and stuff like that supposedly gets DePalma&#8217;s attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Stace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the lines of what Dougie pundit said, this movie is going to get soldiers killed. There are more anti-military movies coming out this fall, too.

If Hollywood were attacked, or needed the National Guard to help with a natural disaster, I wouldn&#039;t blame the military if they stood down and refused to help. Of course, they would never do that, and I&#039;m not advocating that they do so.

I like what naval aviator/blogger Neptunus Lex had to say about San Francisco when the city tried to ban the Blue Angels from performing.

&quot;As a city, San Francisco has long ago stopped pretending that they support their military. We could stop pretending that we like San Francisco.

We don�t have to like San Francisco. We get paid to defend them. It�s our job.

The rest of the country?

We�re doing that for free.&quot;

I think you could easily substitute &quot;Hollywood&quot; for &quot;San Francisco&quot; in that quote.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the lines of what Dougie pundit said, this movie is going to get soldiers killed. There are more anti-military movies coming out this fall, too.</p>
<p>If Hollywood were attacked, or needed the National Guard to help with a natural disaster, I wouldn&#8217;t blame the military if they stood down and refused to help. Of course, they would never do that, and I&#8217;m not advocating that they do so.</p>
<p>I like what naval aviator/blogger Neptunus Lex had to say about San Francisco when the city tried to ban the Blue Angels from performing.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a city, San Francisco has long ago stopped pretending that they support their military. We could stop pretending that we like San Francisco.</p>
<p>We don�t have to like San Francisco. We get paid to defend them. It�s our job.</p>
<p>The rest of the country?</p>
<p>We�re doing that for free.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you could easily substitute &#8220;Hollywood&#8221; for &#8220;San Francisco&#8221; in that quote.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt. Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the one thing that disgusts me the most about some of the denizens of Hollywierd (our gracious host excepted) are those who spend so much time overseas handwringing in interviws about how very violent, crass, vulgar, et cetera, et cetera Americans are percieved as being (or actually are!) and manage to overlook their own part in making movies (or music) that portray us as such, over and over and over again. These are movies that are exported around the world, and having done their bit to make the US look like a perfect sink, then they worry about how violent and uncultured we appear, and move to London, or the South of France.

Thanks, guys. Couldn&#039;t have done it without you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the one thing that disgusts me the most about some of the denizens of Hollywierd (our gracious host excepted) are those who spend so much time overseas handwringing in interviws about how very violent, crass, vulgar, et cetera, et cetera Americans are percieved as being (or actually are!) and manage to overlook their own part in making movies (or music) that portray us as such, over and over and over again. These are movies that are exported around the world, and having done their bit to make the US look like a perfect sink, then they worry about how violent and uncultured we appear, and move to London, or the South of France.</p>
<p>Thanks, guys. Couldn&#8217;t have done it without you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Brown Line pointed out, De Palma is a hack.  In addition to the movies mentioned in that comment, I will never forgive him for the hatchet job he did on the Black Dahlia. The upside to his making this movie is that 1) no one will see it and 2) those who do will walk out of the theater wondering what the hell they just saw.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Brown Line pointed out, De Palma is a hack.  In addition to the movies mentioned in that comment, I will never forgive him for the hatchet job he did on the Black Dahlia. The upside to his making this movie is that 1) no one will see it and 2) those who do will walk out of the theater wondering what the hell they just saw.</p>
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		<title>By: Oplyd Oleo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oplyd Oleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sneaking up on unsuspecting American audiences at the end of September is a new movie from director Peter Berg called &lt;i&gt;The Kingdom.&lt;/i&gt;  If all you know of it so far is the poster of Jamie Foxx and Jennifer Garner wielding machine guns, let&#039;s just say this pic presents a challenging marketing problem, and be grateful it was ever greenlighted at all.  I was fortunate enough to catch an early screening recently, and -- well, let&#039;s just leave it at this:  The whole time I was sitting there, my mouth agape, unable to stop muttering &quot;How on Earth did Hollywood accidentally allow this movie to be made?&quot;

Notwithstanding a few moments of seemingly muddled moral equivalency at the end, &lt;i&gt;The Kingdom&lt;/i&gt; may be the closest thing we&#039;re ever going to get to an honest, pro-American movie about the &quot;Long War&quot; anytime in the foreseeable future.  Yes, at its core, it&#039;s basically just a buddy picture, where Foxx is the &quot;fish out of water,&quot; forming a reluctant alliance with the mysterious Saudi guy &quot;in a world where everything is topsy-turvy and anything can happen.&quot;  Still and all, when the alternatives to DePalma&#039;s forthcoming &lt;i&gt;Redacted&lt;/i&gt; and its ilk are practically nonexistant, &lt;i&gt;The Kingdom&lt;/i&gt; deserves to be widely seen and heavily discussed when it goes into general release next month.

Without giving anything away, there will be absolutists who argue that its morally ambiguous ending negates the whole premise of the film -- but I would profoundly disagree.  In fact, the case can be made that &lt;i&gt;exactly the opposite&lt;/i&gt; is true:  The ending actually illustrates the utter vacuity of the argument put forth in some quarters, that &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; (small-L) liberal democracies and (capital-I) Illiberal Islamic societies are driven to conflict by mutual fear, suspicion and illogical hatreds.  Indeed, the hollow falseness of that conclusion is convincingly laid bare by the entire rest of the film.

Those who cringe at the thought of DePalma&#039;s agitprop setting the national agenda need to vote with their dollars and make &lt;i&gt;The Kingdom&lt;/i&gt; a huge surprise Fall blockbuster!  Because, at the end of the day, Hollywood doesn&#039;t care about pro-war or anti-war.  Box office is the only language that studio moguls understand, and collecting your dollars is their only agenda.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sneaking up on unsuspecting American audiences at the end of September is a new movie from director Peter Berg called <i>The Kingdom.</i>  If all you know of it so far is the poster of Jamie Foxx and Jennifer Garner wielding machine guns, let&#8217;s just say this pic presents a challenging marketing problem, and be grateful it was ever greenlighted at all.  I was fortunate enough to catch an early screening recently, and &#8212; well, let&#8217;s just leave it at this:  The whole time I was sitting there, my mouth agape, unable to stop muttering &#8220;How on Earth did Hollywood accidentally allow this movie to be made?&#8221;</p>
<p>Notwithstanding a few moments of seemingly muddled moral equivalency at the end, <i>The Kingdom</i> may be the closest thing we&#8217;re ever going to get to an honest, pro-American movie about the &#8220;Long War&#8221; anytime in the foreseeable future.  Yes, at its core, it&#8217;s basically just a buddy picture, where Foxx is the &#8220;fish out of water,&#8221; forming a reluctant alliance with the mysterious Saudi guy &#8220;in a world where everything is topsy-turvy and anything can happen.&#8221;  Still and all, when the alternatives to DePalma&#8217;s forthcoming <i>Redacted</i> and its ilk are practically nonexistant, <i>The Kingdom</i> deserves to be widely seen and heavily discussed when it goes into general release next month.</p>
<p>Without giving anything away, there will be absolutists who argue that its morally ambiguous ending negates the whole premise of the film &#8212; but I would profoundly disagree.  In fact, the case can be made that <i>exactly the opposite</i> is true:  The ending actually illustrates the utter vacuity of the argument put forth in some quarters, that <i>both</i> (small-L) liberal democracies and (capital-I) Illiberal Islamic societies are driven to conflict by mutual fear, suspicion and illogical hatreds.  Indeed, the hollow falseness of that conclusion is convincingly laid bare by the entire rest of the film.</p>
<p>Those who cringe at the thought of DePalma&#8217;s agitprop setting the national agenda need to vote with their dollars and make <i>The Kingdom</i> a huge surprise Fall blockbuster!  Because, at the end of the day, Hollywood doesn&#8217;t care about pro-war or anti-war.  Box office is the only language that studio moguls understand, and collecting your dollars is their only agenda.</p>
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