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1. Anthony (Los Angeles):

I read Ron’s column, and my guess is that the scandal, if there is one, is either about Obama (Mr. Clean has an affair?) or Rudy (something to scare off the social cons once and for all).

It can’t be about Hillary — who would care about another Clinton sex scandal?

Oct 31, 2007 - 12:09 pm 2. Wellspring:

A nativist stance on immigration at the beginning of the last century did well for the GOP, but cost them the support of a whole new wave of citizens (including most of my family) in the long run.

Beyond tactics, most of the reputable studies I’ve seen show that immigration (even the illegals) are a net win for the US. Everyone in the US– even the people who complain about “Americans by choice”– stand to gain from immigration economically and culturally. These are hard-working, family-oriented people not too different from your ancestors or mine.

The threat of terrorism means that we do need to get some control over our borders, but it’s insane to think that we can do so without some kind of process to make it easier to get here legally, and get the millions of people who are undocumented into some kind of legal status. I think the President was right on the money on this one.

Oct 31, 2007 - 12:20 pm 3. varifrank:

Can someone tell me why its so hard to to just put “nationality” on drivers licenses?

I mean, if youre not from the US and you want to drive, fine with me, go get a license, but under the column “nationality” it aught to be wherever you have established some legal standing.

Having a drivers license does not make you a citizen, but some people seem to want to make it so.

If you dont put nationality on drivers licenses, then the written test for american naturalization becomes watered down to whether or not you know what a red octagon with the word “STOP” means.

Oct 31, 2007 - 12:59 pm 4. LarryD:

Point one: It’s illegal aliens we’re upset about, not immigrants, don’t conflate the two, it’s dishonest.

Point two: Everyplace where the laws relating to employment and legal residency are enforced, the illegals disappear in short order. Mass deportations are a strawman.

Point three: There are quite a few places where the jails have more illegals in them than legal residents, despite the fact the the illegals are a minority, and the arrests have nothing to do with lack of legal residency. Immigrants are indeed more law abiding than the general populace, they have to pass background checks to get here. But the empirical evidence sure seems to say that illegals are less law abiding than the general populace, even discounting the illegal entry.

Point four: Treating illegals better than both legal immigrants and citizens (born and naturalized) is just plain wrong, and couldn’t be better designed to rile everyone up.

Point five: The big deal about drivers licenses is voter registration. The Motor Voter Law means everyone getting a license in New York gets a voter registration form as well, and there is no eligibility checking! Little wonder 72% of New Yorkers are against it, it’s an invitation to massive vote fraud.

Oct 31, 2007 - 1:09 pm 5. Lem:

I’m with LarryD.

Oct 31, 2007 - 1:23 pm 6. Neo:

I keep coming up with “tilt” every time I try to figure out immigration policy.

Hiliary come across as a real political “honk” when every thing is reduced to needing “immigration reform”.

I mean start here .. I was once told that you can differentiate a technician from an engineer because the technician looks at a problem assuming the design is sound and there is one small problem with this one particular product, while an engineer assumes any problem shows that the design is flawed, therefore all products based on that design are flawed, instead of just this one particular product.

Hiliary takes on the role of a political “engineer”. To her, all the laws on the books are flawed, so we need new legislation to fix the problem, while most people just assumes as a technician would, that the laws are perfectly fine (or fine enough) and that maybe they just ought to be enforced.

Frankly, Hiliary’s position is one of somebody who has been in politics way too long and ought to retire. At the very least, she had no business in the White House, where the chief executive’s main purpose is to enforce the current laws. If Hiliary is in Washington at all, her addiction to new legislation should keep her on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

Oct 31, 2007 - 10:23 pm 7. Lem:

Why should taxpaying citizens foot the bill for illegal’s wearing and tearing our infrastructure?
The surest way to affect behavior is to make that behavior more costly not less. Think smoking.

My familia came here legally, it’s not that hard.

By making it easier to be here illegally we turn the system on its head.

Nov 1, 2007 - 6:32 am 8. Jamie Irons:

Roger,

As to Ron Rosenbaum’s article (which I too found intriguing) see today’s “Hot Air” post by Patterico:

L.A. Times Editor Denies…

Jamie Irons

Nov 1, 2007 - 7:13 am 9. Jamie Irons:

And I just read with interest the chapter in PJM of the new book you are working on, with this remark:

There is [in today's Hollywood] only the grey haze of a mindless received “liberalism”, the world as last month’s New York Times editorials, half-digested and regurgitated, never questioned or even analyzed, going forth forever with little perceived chance of reform, as if it were the permanent religious text of some strange new orthodoxy…

I will buy the book as soon as it comes out.

Jamie Irons

Nov 1, 2007 - 7:26 am 10. Boojum:

Wellspring;

Mexican immigrants have an illegitimacy rate of 40%. Most of these single mamas are low income, meaning that their citizen born kids now are entitled to welfare, food stamps, etc Ö

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_immigration_reform.html

Hardworking yes, family oriented, not.

Nov 1, 2007 - 9:55 am 11. Rich V:

It’s not about DL’s at all…it’s about voting, all you need to register to vote is a DL…and that’s all you need for ID to vote….think about it

Nov 1, 2007 - 2:51 pm 12. LarryD:

John Fund on drivers licenses and vote fraud

The background here is the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as “Motor Voter,” that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1993. It required all states to offer voter registration to anyone getting a driver’s license. One simply fills out a form and checks a box stating he is a citizen; he is then registered and in most states does not have to show any ID to vote.

But no one checks if the person registering to vote is indeed a citizen. That greatly concerns New York election officials, who processed 245,000 voter registrations at DMV offices last year. “It would be [tough to catch] if someone wanted to . . . get a number of people registered who aren’t citizens and went ahead and got them drivers’ licenses,” says Lee Daghlian, spokesman for New York’s Board of Elections. Assemblywoman Ginny Fields, a Long Island Democrat, warns that the state’s “Board of Elections has no voter police” and that the state probably has upwards of 500,000 illegal immigrants old enough to drive.

The potential for fraud is not trivial, as federal privacy laws prevent cross-checking voter registration rolls with immigration records. Nevertheless, a 1997 Congressional investigation found that “4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in \[a\] disputed House election” in California. After 9/11, the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote.

Under pressure from liberal groups, some states have even abandoned the requirement that people check a citizenship box to be put on the voter rolls. Iowa has told local registrars they should register people even if they leave the citizenship box blank. Maryland officials wave illegal immigrants through the registration process, prompting a Justice Department letter warning they may be helping people violate federal law.

… But he has not retreated from another new bizarre policy. It used to be that county clerks who process driver’s licenses were banned from giving out voter registration forms to anyone without a Social Security number. No longer. Lou Dobbs of CNN reported that an Oct. 19 memo from the state DMV informed the clerks they don’t “have any statutory discretion to withhold a motor voter form.” What’s more, the computer block preventing a DMV clerk from transmitting a motor voter registration without a Social Security number was removed.

… Despite her muddled comments this week, there’s no doubt where Mrs. Clinton stands on ballot integrity. She opposes photo ID laws, even though they enjoy over 80% support in the polls. She has also introduced a bill to force every state to offer no-excuse absentee voting as well as Election Day registration–easy avenues for election chicanery. The bill requires that every state restore voting rights to all criminals who have completed their prison terms, parole or probation.

Nov 2, 2007 - 7:40 am 13. cutie_tech123:

In the Immigration, your papers are delayed. I’ve seen this video about what is going on inside the Immigrants Office. The papers are stock in one place where they will just go there if the clients are looking for it. They will work if somebody is looking at them. It’s really bad that you are spending money for that and they are just wasting your time. That’s why there are so many illegal immigrants in every place we go. We don’t blame them why they are still illegal. It’s the Immigration’s fault.
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New York Immigration Lawyer Marina Shepelsky, located in Brooklyn, assists clients from the New York metro area and across the United States in all immigration and naturalization matters http://www.e-us-visa.com

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