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		<title>By: Ripper</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2007/11/25/thompson-vs-fox/#comment-90899</link>
		<dc:creator>Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man that Thompson campaign has really taken off hasn&#039;t it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man that Thompson campaign has really taken off hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: AlanC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug S, I&#039;m with you on the sick and tired scale. Hillary has been campaigning since Kerry lost.

Unfortunately I think that there is a larger social phenomenon in play here. This morning in USA Today there is an article touting Kevin Garnett&#039;s MVP chances. Now, I&#039;m a Celtics fan (sorry Roger) BUT GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!! IT&#039;S ONLY 11 GAMES INTO THE SEASON!!!!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

Is this the other side of the attention deficit syndrome we suffer?  We can&#039;t wait for a game or season to play out over time, but, have to get to the end point immediately?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug S, I&#8217;m with you on the sick and tired scale. Hillary has been campaigning since Kerry lost.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I think that there is a larger social phenomenon in play here. This morning in USA Today there is an article touting Kevin Garnett&#8217;s MVP chances. Now, I&#8217;m a Celtics fan (sorry Roger) BUT GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!! IT&#8217;S ONLY 11 GAMES INTO THE SEASON!!!!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Is this the other side of the attention deficit syndrome we suffer?  We can&#8217;t wait for a game or season to play out over time, but, have to get to the end point immediately?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This draws just a bit on what the other commenters so far have said, but I like Fred because his strategy seems to be fighting against the whole expansion of the electoral process that we&#039;re seeing this cycle (and I suppose it&#039;s been building over previous cycles, as AlanC suggests in talking about the importance of the primaries). Fred jumped in as late as he felt he could afford to, and seems to be hoping that he&#039;ll peak late. I think that&#039;s good for him and good for the country.

As a citizen, I am heartily sick of the perpetual campaign. I am already weary of the &#039;08 campaign, and it still has almost a year to go. Soon, those who are elected will have no time in which to govern. That can&#039;t be good, especially in a time of war.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This draws just a bit on what the other commenters so far have said, but I like Fred because his strategy seems to be fighting against the whole expansion of the electoral process that we&#8217;re seeing this cycle (and I suppose it&#8217;s been building over previous cycles, as AlanC suggests in talking about the importance of the primaries). Fred jumped in as late as he felt he could afford to, and seems to be hoping that he&#8217;ll peak late. I think that&#8217;s good for him and good for the country.</p>
<p>As a citizen, I am heartily sick of the perpetual campaign. I am already weary of the &#8216;08 campaign, and it still has almost a year to go. Soon, those who are elected will have no time in which to govern. That can&#8217;t be good, especially in a time of war.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellspring has it right in the main. Politics has little to do with policy per se and politics determing who&#039;s elected.

The main flaws, IMHO, with our system can be traced back to the debacle of &#039;68 and the Dems in Chi town.  This led directly to the McGovern &quot;opening up&quot; of the party processes and turned the process over to the crazies.

Harken back to those thrilling days of yesteryear like 1960. Kennedy only had to run in a few primaries to prove his electability and then the other processes took over an decided on a candidate and platform.

There IS more to a good president than the retail politics of the primaries, but, they were a positive feature of a more complex system.

The current system with everything vested in primaries everywhere, closer and closer together is more like wholesaling politics or Walmart driving out the Mom &amp; Pop store of the local process.

Taking the smoke filled room from the process has been far more hurtful than helpful.  The old process gave the Dems JFK, Truman, FDR, Humphrey, etc. The new process?  McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry &amp; Gore. The &#039;pubs have not been as badly effected, but, it has gotten to them too.

No contest to me.

The Primaries need to be made LESS important not more.

Oh, can someone please explain to me cross-voting in primaries?  Why should Dems vote in Pubs and vice versa, or independents in either?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellspring has it right in the main. Politics has little to do with policy per se and politics determing who&#8217;s elected.</p>
<p>The main flaws, IMHO, with our system can be traced back to the debacle of &#8216;68 and the Dems in Chi town.  This led directly to the McGovern &#8220;opening up&#8221; of the party processes and turned the process over to the crazies.</p>
<p>Harken back to those thrilling days of yesteryear like 1960. Kennedy only had to run in a few primaries to prove his electability and then the other processes took over an decided on a candidate and platform.</p>
<p>There IS more to a good president than the retail politics of the primaries, but, they were a positive feature of a more complex system.</p>
<p>The current system with everything vested in primaries everywhere, closer and closer together is more like wholesaling politics or Walmart driving out the Mom &amp; Pop store of the local process.</p>
<p>Taking the smoke filled room from the process has been far more hurtful than helpful.  The old process gave the Dems JFK, Truman, FDR, Humphrey, etc. The new process?  McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry &amp; Gore. The &#8216;pubs have not been as badly effected, but, it has gotten to them too.</p>
<p>No contest to me.</p>
<p>The Primaries need to be made LESS important not more.</p>
<p>Oh, can someone please explain to me cross-voting in primaries?  Why should Dems vote in Pubs and vice versa, or independents in either?</p>
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		<title>By: Wellspring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wellspring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked in Washington, and I think that retail politics is direly important-- maybe not telegenic, but very important.

From a policy standpoint, the world is bigger than Washington DC. We&#039;ve got a country of 300 million people, and appeal on TV + appeal among the talking heads in DC accounts for maybe a million of them, tops. The rest of us may have our opinions &lt;i&gt;influenced&lt;/i&gt; by TV, but our day to day lives have nothing to do with what the talking heads say in Washington. More to the point, work in any political office (governor, state or federal legislator, whatever) and you&#039;ll realize that what they say on TV has little or nothing to do with the reality of policymaking. An ability to press the flesh doesn&#039;t cover much ground-- you need an established organization to keep you connected to the people.

OK more practical reason why we use primaries: each party is trying to select a candidate who is both electable and acceptable ideologically. The single biggest factor in winning is getting your base out-- and that is entirely decided by your ground troops. Howard Dean won on TV and the internet, but lost because he didn&#039;t have a strong organization on the ground.

As for Fred, I think he did a good job on Fox, now that I&#039;ve seen the video. I&#039;m really wondering if Rudy can win the nomination, and I&#039;m shocked he&#039;s made it this far. If he fizzles, Fred is well-positioned to sweep in and be a great consensus candidate who is still pretty electable in the general. Much of what I&#039;m saying applies to John McCain also, of course. Scooping up the nomination late is useful if you can pull it off. You don&#039;t get excoriated by the other candidates, many of whom have dropped out already anyway. You don&#039;t have to tack as far to the (right/left) to win so your move to the middle for the general election is more plausible. When/if Mitt and Rudy go &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; negative on one another, will the loser&#039;s supporters really support the winner? Or stay home on election day?

So I think Fred is doing just fine. He&#039;s pecking at Mitt Romney a bit, but otherwise he&#039;s staying positive, policy-oriented, and mostly off the MSM radar. If Rudy melts down in the second wave of primaries, he might be able to pull this off. I think his chances are far better than the conventional wisdom says.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked in Washington, and I think that retail politics is direly important&#8211; maybe not telegenic, but very important.</p>
<p>From a policy standpoint, the world is bigger than Washington DC. We&#8217;ve got a country of 300 million people, and appeal on TV + appeal among the talking heads in DC accounts for maybe a million of them, tops. The rest of us may have our opinions <i>influenced</i> by TV, but our day to day lives have nothing to do with what the talking heads say in Washington. More to the point, work in any political office (governor, state or federal legislator, whatever) and you&#8217;ll realize that what they say on TV has little or nothing to do with the reality of policymaking. An ability to press the flesh doesn&#8217;t cover much ground&#8211; you need an established organization to keep you connected to the people.</p>
<p>OK more practical reason why we use primaries: each party is trying to select a candidate who is both electable and acceptable ideologically. The single biggest factor in winning is getting your base out&#8211; and that is entirely decided by your ground troops. Howard Dean won on TV and the internet, but lost because he didn&#8217;t have a strong organization on the ground.</p>
<p>As for Fred, I think he did a good job on Fox, now that I&#8217;ve seen the video. I&#8217;m really wondering if Rudy can win the nomination, and I&#8217;m shocked he&#8217;s made it this far. If he fizzles, Fred is well-positioned to sweep in and be a great consensus candidate who is still pretty electable in the general. Much of what I&#8217;m saying applies to John McCain also, of course. Scooping up the nomination late is useful if you can pull it off. You don&#8217;t get excoriated by the other candidates, many of whom have dropped out already anyway. You don&#8217;t have to tack as far to the (right/left) to win so your move to the middle for the general election is more plausible. When/if Mitt and Rudy go <i>really</i> negative on one another, will the loser&#8217;s supporters really support the winner? Or stay home on election day?</p>
<p>So I think Fred is doing just fine. He&#8217;s pecking at Mitt Romney a bit, but otherwise he&#8217;s staying positive, policy-oriented, and mostly off the MSM radar. If Rudy melts down in the second wave of primaries, he might be able to pull this off. I think his chances are far better than the conventional wisdom says.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, anyone caring to listen to old Fred will be pretty impressed with his common-sense handle on things. I know I have been, recently.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, anyone caring to listen to old Fred will be pretty impressed with his common-sense handle on things. I know I have been, recently.</p>
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		<title>By: vnjagvet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Fred did a pretty good job with Chris Wallace this morning.  He was assertive without being nasty, and got a few good licks in, arguing that his solutions to some of the nation&#039;s knotty problems had gotten good reviews from those caring to listen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Fred did a pretty good job with Chris Wallace this morning.  He was assertive without being nasty, and got a few good licks in, arguing that his solutions to some of the nation&#8217;s knotty problems had gotten good reviews from those caring to listen.</p>
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