Comments on: On the subject of McCain – the NYT can’t shut up http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:10:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Wellspring http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92899 Wellspring Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:13:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92899 Richard Nieporent: They say that none of woman born shall defeat Obama. So maybe we need a nominee who was from his mother's womb untimely ripped. I agree with Charlie, if Clinton somehow wins the nomination she'd sue on this total non-issue. She'd sink to any depth to win. She'd be much easier to beat than Obama, but something about her just cooks my liver. Richard Nieporent: They say that none of woman born shall defeat Obama. So maybe we need a nominee who was from his mother’s womb untimely ripped.

I agree with Charlie, if Clinton somehow wins the nomination she’d sue on this total non-issue. She’d sink to any depth to win. She’d be much easier to beat than Obama, but something about her just cooks my liver.

]]> By: Richard Nieporent http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92898 Richard Nieporent Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:57:53 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92898 You got them all wrong Roger. It is not that they are being disingenuous. It is simply that the NY Times has always believed in strict constructionalism. You got them all wrong Roger. It is not that they are being disingenuous. It is simply that the NY Times has always believed in strict constructionalism.

]]> By: Lem http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92897 Lem Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92897 In terms of qualifications alone ? if Mac is not qualified then no one is. I wonder how the veterans are going to look at this? The only explenation I can muster is that of <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/02/new_york_times_company_shakeup.php " rel="nofollow"> Craig Karpel. </a> The NYT wants to <b>be</b> the story. In terms of qualifications alone ? if Mac is not qualified then no one is.

I wonder how the veterans are going to look at this?

The only explenation I can muster is that of Craig Karpel.
The NYT wants to be the story.

]]> By: Lem http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92896 Lem Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:35:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92896 Talk about grasping at straws. If you consider the amendment original intent I don't think there is any question as to what country the senator has pledged his allegiance to, and even if you do, Mac is not a Panamanian! First McCain was an unethical womanizer, when that didn't work, he's a foreigner. What's next?.... I know... by golly McCain won't be able to raise his arm to take the oath. He can't take the oath ;) You think the Times could sink any lower? Talk about grasping at straws.

If you consider the amendment original intent I don’t think there is any question as to what country the senator has pledged his allegiance to, and even if you do, Mac is not a Panamanian!

First McCain was an unethical womanizer, when that didn’t work, he’s a foreigner.

What’s next?…. I know… by golly McCain won’t be able to raise his arm to take the oath. He can’t take the oath ;)

You think the Times could sink any lower?

]]> By: LarryD http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92895 LarryD Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:51:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92895 I knew they'd turn on McCain. I just never thought that they'd do it so ... incompetently. I knew they’d turn on McCain. I just never thought that they’d do it so … incompetently.

]]> By: Richard Nieporent http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92894 Richard Nieporent Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:04:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92894 I guess we will have to disqualify any candidate for President who was born by <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/70/4157.html" rel="nofollow">C-section</a>. :) I guess we will have to disqualify any candidate for President who was born by C-section. :)

]]> By: ElMondo http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92893 ElMondo Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:54:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92893 Ok, deep breath... calmed down now... The question is, what level of documentation was required when McCain was born. Again, it's true that military bases are not automatically considered US Territory, and again, it does take at least one US citizen parent, but I already made that argument above. The questions is, how was his birth declared? I do not know what documentation requirements were in force when he was born, but currently, if you're born under the conditions in question (at least 1 US parent, on military base, etc. etc.) you must declare the birth to the nearest US Consulate. Why the Consulate instead of some military authority? Beats the hell out of me; all I know is that this is the rule. Anyway, after requisite paperwork, you can then get your birth certificate. Bottom line: By today's rules, the proper documentation must be on file for the child to be truly considered a US citizen, otherwise the status is a sort of limbo. But again, what were the documentation requirements when McCain was born? That I admit I don't know. Ok, deep breath… calmed down now…

The question is, what level of documentation was required when McCain was born. Again, it’s true that military bases are not automatically considered US Territory, and again, it does take at least one US citizen parent, but I already made that argument above. The questions is, how was his birth declared? I do not know what documentation requirements were in force when he was born, but currently, if you’re born under the conditions in question (at least 1 US parent, on military base, etc. etc.) you must declare the birth to the nearest US Consulate. Why the Consulate instead of some military authority? Beats the hell out of me; all I know is that this is the rule. Anyway, after requisite paperwork, you can then get your birth certificate.

Bottom line: By today’s rules, the proper documentation must be on file for the child to be truly considered a US citizen, otherwise the status is a sort of limbo. But again, what were the documentation requirements when McCain was born? That I admit I don’t know.

]]> By: ElMondo http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92892 ElMondo Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:34:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92892 WTF KIND OF DUMBA** HIT PIECE IS THIS?? When you are born on a military base <i><b>with at least one American parent</b></i>, you are <b>AMERICAN</b>. This is <b>not in question</b>. It's an issue that used to come up all the damn time in the Philippines! No, foreign bases are actually <i>not</i> considered US territory - why do we all think terrorist prisoners are kept at Guantanomo? - <b>but the Canal Zone specifically was</b>. So that's a second strike against this story! The only way there's any doubt about the situation is if McCain was born off base. Otherwise, there is <b>no doubt</b>! Bloody stupid idiot reporters... can no one with the NYTimes/IHT get any damn thing straight??? WTF KIND OF DUMBA** HIT PIECE IS THIS??

When you are born on a military base with at least one American parent, you are AMERICAN. This is not in question. It’s an issue that used to come up all the damn time in the Philippines!

No, foreign bases are actually not considered US territory – why do we all think terrorist prisoners are kept at Guantanomo? – but the Canal Zone specifically was. So that’s a second strike against this story!

The only way there’s any doubt about the situation is if McCain was born off base. Otherwise, there is no doubt!

Bloody stupid idiot reporters… can no one with the NYTimes/IHT get any damn thing straight???

]]> By: TerryeL http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92891 TerryeL Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:35:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92891 This is ridiculous. McCain was in the US Military and the US Senate and no one has ever challenged his legal status. Where was Obama born? His father was Kenyan, his mother is from Kansas. Obama was a child in a foreign country, went to private school in Hawaii, which is at least a state. But has anyone seriously questioned his status? No, this is a nonstarter. It would be sheer lunacy to pursue it. This is ridiculous. McCain was in the US Military and the US Senate and no one has ever challenged his legal status.

Where was Obama born? His father was Kenyan, his mother is from Kansas. Obama was a child in a foreign country, went to private school in Hawaii, which is at least a state. But has anyone seriously questioned his status?

No, this is a nonstarter. It would be sheer lunacy to pursue it.

]]> By: Zimmdad http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92890 Zimmdad Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:52:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/02/27/on-the-subject-of-mccain-the-nyt-cant-shut-up/#comment-92890 There are two statuses of citizen: Natural Born and Naturalized. If McCain is not Natural Born, than I beleive he must be Naturalized...and has a Certificate of Naturalization. If he does not have this Certificate, than he is an illegal alien. I think this should be pushed. And McCain should be (along with all the military brats born in Europe since the 1950s) deported forthwith. Let's see them and raise. Let's reopen the immigration debate on this issue. I think the Democrats will rue the day it was brought up. As the Instapundit might say: "Heh". There are two statuses of citizen: Natural Born and Naturalized. If McCain is not Natural Born, than I beleive he must be Naturalized…and has a Certificate of Naturalization. If he does not have this Certificate, than he is an illegal alien. I think this should be pushed. And McCain should be (along with all the military brats born in Europe since the 1950s) deported forthwith. Let’s see them and raise. Let’s reopen the immigration debate on this issue. I think the Democrats will rue the day it was brought up. As the Instapundit might say: “Heh”.

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