Comments on: How to read the propagandistic drivel at the New York Times http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:15:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: AlanC http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93624 AlanC Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:19:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93624 Godzilla is correct. In the early days I had several double posts when the Submit actually timed out. When I went back in, the post was there. So the rule is HIT POST ONCE anything after that doesn't apply. Godzilla is correct. In the early days I had several double posts when the Submit actually timed out.

When I went back in, the post was there. So the rule is HIT POST ONCE anything after that doesn’t apply.

]]> By: Godzilla http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93623 Godzilla Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:13:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93623 Yep, shut down the browser before the acknowledgment, and my above comment was still posted. Hopefully, this will help people to eliminate the double posting. When you click "Post", assume it is posted. Roger, I suspect that the lenghty time it takes for an acknowledgement of a post to be received (and this is typical), and the subsequent appearance of a web page hangup, is responsible for people double posting, thinking that the first one didn't get through. This might be something to put into a FAQ for the site. Yep, shut down the browser before the acknowledgment, and my above comment was still posted. Hopefully, this will help people to eliminate the double posting. When you click “Post”, assume it is posted.

Roger, I suspect that the lenghty time it takes for an acknowledgement of a post to be received (and this is typical), and the subsequent appearance of a web page hangup, is responsible for people double posting, thinking that the first one didn’t get through. This might be something to put into a FAQ for the site.

]]> By: Godzilla http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93622 Godzilla Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:07:56 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93622 Re: The double post snafus. If you're double-posting because the web-page seems to hang up for a minute or so after submitting your first post, so that you post again thinking that the first one didn't get through, keep this in mind: once you click on "Post", the message goes to the server like lightning, real quick. The hanging up that you're seeing occurs <i>after</i> your message has already been received and posted. It is only the acknowledgement that is slow. This is what I have found out to be true in my own case. In fact, this is a situation that is endemic throughout the internet (well, on one other blog that I post on, anyway). And to test this out to make sure, right after I post this I'm going to shut down my browser (hopefully before the acknowledgement appears, which shouldn't be hard). If this message shows up as posted (and it must have because you couldn't be reading it otherwise), then all you have to do, if this situation applies to you, is to not fret about the slow acknowledgement after you post a comment. You can assume it was posted. Re: The double post snafus. If you’re double-posting because the web-page seems to hang up for a minute or so after submitting your first post, so that you post again thinking that the first one didn’t get through, keep this in mind: once you click on “Post”, the message goes to the server like lightning, real quick. The hanging up that you’re seeing occurs after your message has already been received and posted. It is only the acknowledgement that is slow. This is what I have found out to be true in my own case. In fact, this is a situation that is endemic throughout the internet (well, on one other blog that I post on, anyway).

And to test this out to make sure, right after I post this I’m going to shut down my browser (hopefully before the acknowledgement appears, which shouldn’t be hard). If this message shows up as posted (and it must have because you couldn’t be reading it otherwise), then all you have to do, if this situation applies to you, is to not fret about the slow acknowledgement after you post a comment. You can assume it was posted.

]]> By: gumshoe http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93621 gumshoe Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:57:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93621 kcom just change the phrase to - "...argue that YOU have moved beyond those ideological attacks." and you'' have the gist of the NYT/Pravda article's "bien pensant" world-view. kcom just change the phrase to -

“…argue that YOU have moved beyond those ideological attacks.”

and you” have the gist of the NYT/Pravda
article’s “bien pensant” world-view.

]]> By: gumshoe http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93620 gumshoe Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:56:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93620 kcom just change the phrase to - "...argue that YOU have moved beyond those ideological attacks." and you'' have the gist of the NYT/Pravda article's "bien pensant" world-view. wouldn't want to be racist,would we. kcom just change the phrase to -

“…argue that YOU have moved beyond those ideological attacks.”

and you” have the gist of the NYT/Pravda
article’s “bien pensant” world-view.

wouldn’t want to be racist,would we.

]]> By: kcom http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93619 kcom Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:56:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93619 "<i>But Democrats supporting Obama argue that the voters have moved beyond those ideological attacks.</i>" But of course isn't that exactly what politics is? It seems to me it's two sides with different ideologies trying to push the wisdom of their ideas and discredit the wisdom of their opponents ideas. What do you want to replace that with? Personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, fights over pie recipes? If politics isn't about ideology, what is it about? If everybody agreed with everybody else all the time about exactly what to do about everything politics wouldn't exist. Short of that, expect there to be ideological battles. The system wouldn't work if there weren't. “But Democrats supporting Obama argue that the voters have moved beyond those ideological attacks.”

But of course isn’t that exactly what politics is? It seems to me it’s two sides with different ideologies trying to push the wisdom of their ideas and discredit the wisdom of their opponents ideas. What do you want to replace that with? Personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, fights over pie recipes?

If politics isn’t about ideology, what is it about? If everybody agreed with everybody else all the time about exactly what to do about everything politics wouldn’t exist. Short of that, expect there to be ideological battles. The system wouldn’t work if there weren’t.

]]> By: srlucado http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93618 srlucado Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:31:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93618 "So far, Republicans give every indication of planning to portray Obama as a big-government liberal out of touch with American values and unprepared to be commander in chief." Interpreted for us flyover-country, red-state yahoos: "Republicans will lie about Obama in keeping with their lying, racist tradition." Never mind that Obama really *is* a big-government liberal out of touch with American values, and he really *is* unprepared to be C-in-C. As I've said many times, the fact of the matter is that the facts don't matter. Anyway, I can go Roger one time-saving step further: Completely ignore the NYT. There is wisdom, truth, and insight in the world...but not in the New York Times. “So far, Republicans give every indication of planning to portray Obama as a big-government liberal out of touch with American values and unprepared to be commander in chief.”

Interpreted for us flyover-country, red-state yahoos:

“Republicans will lie about Obama in keeping with their lying, racist tradition.”

Never mind that Obama really *is* a big-government liberal out of touch with American values, and he really *is* unprepared to be C-in-C.

As I’ve said many times, the fact of the matter is that the facts don’t matter.

Anyway, I can go Roger one time-saving step further: Completely ignore the NYT. There is wisdom, truth, and insight in the world…but not in the New York Times.

]]> By: Lightnin' Hopkins http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93617 Lightnin' Hopkins Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:29:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93617 Sheesh. Sorry about the double post. Sheesh. Sorry about the double post.

]]> By: Lightnin' Hopkins http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93616 Lightnin' Hopkins Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:28:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93616 "They have a vested interest in ignoring Totten and Yon. There is another form of class struggle going on." That is true, Roger. This was on a cable talk show on a highly-rated cable network where, even though Fox is, shall we say, 'hipper' than the others, bloggers are still seen as less-than-authoritative sources for news. A maddeningly upside-down attitude considering these men (and women) are often literally right on top of the story. “They have a vested interest in ignoring Totten and Yon. There is another form of class struggle going on.”

That is true, Roger. This was on a cable talk show on a highly-rated cable network where, even though Fox is, shall we say, ‘hipper’ than the others, bloggers are still seen as less-than-authoritative sources for news. A maddeningly upside-down attitude considering these men (and women) are often literally right on top of the story.

]]> By: Lightnin' Hopkins http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93615 Lightnin' Hopkins Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:27:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/03/23/how-to-read-the-propagandistic-drivel-at-the-new-york-times/#comment-93615 "They have a vested interest in ignoring Totten and Yon. There is another form of class struggle going on." That is true, Roger. This was on a cable talk show on a highly-rated cable network where, even though Fox is, shall we say, 'hipper' than the others, bloggers are still seen as less-than-authoritative sources for news. A maddeningly upside-down attitude considering these men (and women) are literally right on top of the story. “They have a vested interest in ignoring Totten and Yon. There is another form of class struggle going on.”

That is true, Roger. This was on a cable talk show on a highly-rated cable network where, even though Fox is, shall we say, ‘hipper’ than the others, bloggers are still seen as less-than-authoritative sources for news. A maddeningly upside-down attitude considering these men (and women) are literally right on top of the story.

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