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		<title>By: Brendan the Wanderer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/07/28/edwards-wikipedia-engages-in-some-political-cleansing/#comment-96480</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan the Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great poem. A keeper.</description>
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		<title>By: timekeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>timekeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is (for the most part) an adequate source of information on non-political matters, but for subjects which have political overtones(including topics such as global warming), Wikipedia editors have a pronounced leftward bias. 

This is not to say that it is overwhelming; like the Troy King case above, Charlie Crist has been dogged by gay rumors. It appears that that section of the Crist article will not be reinserted any time soon.

Not all Wikipedia editors (or for that matter, Wikipedia admins) are left-wingers (I&#039;m certainly not), but enough of them are that current events articles have to be taken with a grain of salt. And (as is pointed out repeatedly), Wikipedia shouldn&#039;t be cited as a source, but well-written Wikipedia articles will be well-sourced, and using those sources (whether available through an online link or by going to a library and checking out the book) is the way to write a paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is (for the most part) an adequate source of information on non-political matters, but for subjects which have political overtones(including topics such as global warming), Wikipedia editors have a pronounced leftward bias. </p>
<p>This is not to say that it is overwhelming; like the Troy King case above, Charlie Crist has been dogged by gay rumors. It appears that that section of the Crist article will not be reinserted any time soon.</p>
<p>Not all Wikipedia editors (or for that matter, Wikipedia admins) are left-wingers (I&#8217;m certainly not), but enough of them are that current events articles have to be taken with a grain of salt. And (as is pointed out repeatedly), Wikipedia shouldn&#8217;t be cited as a source, but well-written Wikipedia articles will be well-sourced, and using those sources (whether available through an online link or by going to a library and checking out the book) is the way to write a paper.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS, you&#039;re right, 
the way to get rid a
deconstructed polita
is deriding Derrida
(tho it make lefties bitta).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS, you&#8217;re right,<br />
the way to get rid a<br />
deconstructed polita<br />
is deriding Derrida<br />
(tho it make lefties bitta).</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/07/28/edwards-wikipedia-engages-in-some-political-cleansing/#comment-96475</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yuk yuk -- good post, BtW -- &#039;monkeyshines&#039; used to be the word for it alright -- at least before that rancid movie copped it. Seems clear that so-called &#039;progressives&#039; (which nowadays apparently means &#039;reactionaries&#039;), being devoted as they are to change they can ball Eve in, are much interested in control of the culture&#039;s records. The other side, i guess that&#039;s we who are devoted to change we can&#039;t ball Eve in, tends to just let the record do whatever it wants, assuming the invisible hand will write it best -- most truthfully that is -- &amp; understanding as we do that the only way to lose control of hmm the zeitgeist is to try controlling it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yuk yuk &#8212; good post, BtW &#8212; &#8216;monkeyshines&#8217; used to be the word for it alright &#8212; at least before that rancid movie copped it. Seems clear that so-called &#8216;progressives&#8217; (which nowadays apparently means &#8216;reactionaries&#8217;), being devoted as they are to change they can ball Eve in, are much interested in control of the culture&#8217;s records. The other side, i guess that&#8217;s we who are devoted to change we can&#8217;t ball Eve in, tends to just let the record do whatever it wants, assuming the invisible hand will write it best &#8212; most truthfully that is &#8212; &amp; understanding as we do that the only way to lose control of hmm the zeitgeist is to try controlling it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Was Here</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/07/28/edwards-wikipedia-engages-in-some-political-cleansing/#comment-96473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Was Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole reason why Wikipedia skews to the left is that it&#039;s largely (though not entirely) patronized by halfwitted college students and liberals who are goofing off on their jobs -- in other words, people who have or think that frittering their days away on shit like Wikipedia is a valid use of their time... whereas I don&#039;t have an interest in Wikipedia because, like many other conservatives, I have something known as a &lt;i&gt;life&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole reason why Wikipedia skews to the left is that it&#8217;s largely (though not entirely) patronized by halfwitted college students and liberals who are goofing off on their jobs &#8212; in other words, people who have or think that frittering their days away on shit like Wikipedia is a valid use of their time&#8230; whereas I don&#8217;t have an interest in Wikipedia because, like many other conservatives, I have something known as a <i>life</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan the Wanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan the Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy, you&#039;re onto something. Talk is cheap, and primates delight in mouth noises. Thus the high concentration of howler monkeys in the soft-sciences  (sciences, my ass). Those that can write a little, translate their highly derivative, shrieking jibberish into words. They style as &quot;intellectuals&quot; and like the way it rolls off the tongue and invitiates their naive targets. So stop being one.Stop believing their reeking cable passed off as intellectualism. Laughter fries these bastards faster than spiders under a magnifying glass at high noon. And let&#039;s swap that &quot;intellectual&quot; term for &quot;tribalist ratpacking sniveler&quot; and it all makes sense. YOU ARE THE INTELLECTUAL, THE BRAIN...THE FREE SPIRIT, not these constricted little flatworms. Also, you should never meet these dorks on their own chosen territory, because while you are working on significant stuff they are hustling a free lunch or plumbing the depths of their nasal passages with an index finger. Instead, humiliate them with data, hopefully in front of their date, or bar girls, or better yet their students. I do it all the time. It&#039;s fun. You just lay for them and then when they say something stupid like &quot;let&#039;s deconstruct that&quot; you blow Derrida off, which  is pretty easy. Even Derrida thinks they are a bunch of repulsive  pussies. 
Meanwhile, back at the lab, the real superchimps are putting the next revolution together in transport or energy or something , but in their lonely 2 a.m. hours, emerge only to get skunked by the shrieking howler monkeys of the intellekshul class. Wish they&#039;d take a little time off to actually analyze what these loosers have to say. It&#039;s high entertainment to corner these idiots, and its not difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy, you&#8217;re onto something. Talk is cheap, and primates delight in mouth noises. Thus the high concentration of howler monkeys in the soft-sciences  (sciences, my ass). Those that can write a little, translate their highly derivative, shrieking jibberish into words. They style as &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; and like the way it rolls off the tongue and invitiates their naive targets. So stop being one.Stop believing their reeking cable passed off as intellectualism. Laughter fries these bastards faster than spiders under a magnifying glass at high noon. And let&#8217;s swap that &#8220;intellectual&#8221; term for &#8220;tribalist ratpacking sniveler&#8221; and it all makes sense. YOU ARE THE INTELLECTUAL, THE BRAIN&#8230;THE FREE SPIRIT, not these constricted little flatworms. Also, you should never meet these dorks on their own chosen territory, because while you are working on significant stuff they are hustling a free lunch or plumbing the depths of their nasal passages with an index finger. Instead, humiliate them with data, hopefully in front of their date, or bar girls, or better yet their students. I do it all the time. It&#8217;s fun. You just lay for them and then when they say something stupid like &#8220;let&#8217;s deconstruct that&#8221; you blow Derrida off, which  is pretty easy. Even Derrida thinks they are a bunch of repulsive  pussies.<br />
Meanwhile, back at the lab, the real superchimps are putting the next revolution together in transport or energy or something , but in their lonely 2 a.m. hours, emerge only to get skunked by the shrieking howler monkeys of the intellekshul class. Wish they&#8217;d take a little time off to actually analyze what these loosers have to say. It&#8217;s high entertainment to corner these idiots, and its not difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/07/28/edwards-wikipedia-engages-in-some-political-cleansing/#comment-96469</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess wiki editors follow the curve -- intellectuals are liberal about 3 or 5 to 1. The real question is &quot;why izzat?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess wiki editors follow the curve &#8212; intellectuals are liberal about 3 or 5 to 1. The real question is &#8220;why izzat?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan the Wanderer</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/07/28/edwards-wikipedia-engages-in-some-political-cleansing/#comment-96459</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan the Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- wrt the global-warming page: Connolley is an actual climatologist: Ph.D., worked in the field for some 18 years, all that. You might not like him, but he has the qualifications.

Qualifications for what? Big Swinging Dick of the Scientific World? His Holiness Pope of the Reordered Reality? Grand Vizar of the Left-Handed Universe? Get this, oh thou pathetic genuflector to the (iffy) academic  reductors of the entire planet&#039;s complexity into stupid GW zealotry....it takes a real ass to assert that anything as complex as planetary weather and solar radiant processes is the purview and express domain of a set of academic racketeers (money grubbers), whack-job economic tramps,scheeming ven-caps, carbon traders and their lobbyists, and the creepy, often murdering UN politicians and their lickspittles. Oh, and why does Gore refuse to debate GW? because GW is &quot;settled science&quot;? Or is it because he&#039;d get his head handed to him?. 

I&#039;ve seen some real dogs walk off with advanced degrees at my institution, and I have two big fancy ones myself which I also fancy I actually earned...does this make me twice the man your admired propagandist/censor is? In my opinion no, but perhaps you would like to  kiss my butt anyway. Thanks, but no. Fools are impressed by such stuff, but the more hard-headed, aka the real scientists, go over the data, not the transcripts. As it happens, I&#039;m engaged in the search for truth and like real scientists I welcome and delight in other&#039;s  tests of my work. If they&#039;re full of it, I pass their letters around to my friends andwe have a hearty laugh. If they&#039;ve got something,it may put my work in the round file for this year. So what? It&#039;s called SCIENCE,and it&#039;s what I do. I don&#039;t have to like it, but reality sometimes bites. However, when somebody says another scientist&#039;s objections are junk because &quot;its settled science&quot; the bastard is up to something. When MSM pubs, and jokes like Wiki suppress dissent, the bastards are also up to something. Whatever it is, it isn&#039;t SCIENCE. 

Use your head.... Connolley is one guy with a degree in a &quot;maybe&quot; sort of discipline that is an amalgam of other disciplines, with a very wide range of technically accomplished people. Some climatologists are real scientists, but most of these guys don&#039;t even do their own work...they just barf up NOAA scripts on the six o&#039;clock news. Scientists, my ass. So follow the money. If that doesn&#039;t work..look for the religious impulse. 

Anyone who tries to shut up other scientists and suppress dissent is part of a long academic tradition but that doesn&#039;t make it right (See: T. Kuhn; Structure of Scientific Revolutions). Under it all is a scumbag trying to feed on the technically unwashed, the chronically naive and worst of all, innocent children (usually in that poisonous font of socialist propaganda, the public schools). In summation, the GW witch-burners do not do science but anti-science, and all these GW-associated censors are just another brand of flat-earth morons and Lysenkoist racketeers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- wrt the global-warming page: Connolley is an actual climatologist: Ph.D., worked in the field for some 18 years, all that. You might not like him, but he has the qualifications.</p>
<p>Qualifications for what? Big Swinging Dick of the Scientific World? His Holiness Pope of the Reordered Reality? Grand Vizar of the Left-Handed Universe? Get this, oh thou pathetic genuflector to the (iffy) academic  reductors of the entire planet&#8217;s complexity into stupid GW zealotry&#8230;.it takes a real ass to assert that anything as complex as planetary weather and solar radiant processes is the purview and express domain of a set of academic racketeers (money grubbers), whack-job economic tramps,scheeming ven-caps, carbon traders and their lobbyists, and the creepy, often murdering UN politicians and their lickspittles. Oh, and why does Gore refuse to debate GW? because GW is &#8220;settled science&#8221;? Or is it because he&#8217;d get his head handed to him?. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen some real dogs walk off with advanced degrees at my institution, and I have two big fancy ones myself which I also fancy I actually earned&#8230;does this make me twice the man your admired propagandist/censor is? In my opinion no, but perhaps you would like to  kiss my butt anyway. Thanks, but no. Fools are impressed by such stuff, but the more hard-headed, aka the real scientists, go over the data, not the transcripts. As it happens, I&#8217;m engaged in the search for truth and like real scientists I welcome and delight in other&#8217;s  tests of my work. If they&#8217;re full of it, I pass their letters around to my friends andwe have a hearty laugh. If they&#8217;ve got something,it may put my work in the round file for this year. So what? It&#8217;s called SCIENCE,and it&#8217;s what I do. I don&#8217;t have to like it, but reality sometimes bites. However, when somebody says another scientist&#8217;s objections are junk because &#8220;its settled science&#8221; the bastard is up to something. When MSM pubs, and jokes like Wiki suppress dissent, the bastards are also up to something. Whatever it is, it isn&#8217;t SCIENCE. </p>
<p>Use your head&#8230;. Connolley is one guy with a degree in a &#8220;maybe&#8221; sort of discipline that is an amalgam of other disciplines, with a very wide range of technically accomplished people. Some climatologists are real scientists, but most of these guys don&#8217;t even do their own work&#8230;they just barf up NOAA scripts on the six o&#8217;clock news. Scientists, my ass. So follow the money. If that doesn&#8217;t work..look for the religious impulse. </p>
<p>Anyone who tries to shut up other scientists and suppress dissent is part of a long academic tradition but that doesn&#8217;t make it right (See: T. Kuhn; Structure of Scientific Revolutions). Under it all is a scumbag trying to feed on the technically unwashed, the chronically naive and worst of all, innocent children (usually in that poisonous font of socialist propaganda, the public schools). In summation, the GW witch-burners do not do science but anti-science, and all these GW-associated censors are just another brand of flat-earth morons and Lysenkoist racketeers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt. Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes even fairly obscure topics on Wikipedia are defended ferociously: I have another writer friend, Diane Salerni, who wrote a novel about the Fox sisters (of the 19th century spiritualist fame) for which she did an incredible amount of research on the Fox sister&#039;s lives... but whenever she had tried to use some of that knowlege to expand on the Wikipedia entries about the Fox sisters, one particular wiki contributor almost immediatly edits them out again. It&#039;s as if no one else is allowed to say or contribute anything at all on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes even fairly obscure topics on Wikipedia are defended ferociously: I have another writer friend, Diane Salerni, who wrote a novel about the Fox sisters (of the 19th century spiritualist fame) for which she did an incredible amount of research on the Fox sister&#8217;s lives&#8230; but whenever she had tried to use some of that knowlege to expand on the Wikipedia entries about the Fox sisters, one particular wiki contributor almost immediatly edits them out again. It&#8217;s as if no one else is allowed to say or contribute anything at all on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google must absolutely LOVE Wikipedia.  Thanks to Wikipedia, Google doesn&#039;t have to do any work to improve its search results--if you want general information, just go look on Wikipedia!  This means that Google can cram ten zillion paid advertisements into its search results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google must absolutely LOVE Wikipedia.  Thanks to Wikipedia, Google doesn&#8217;t have to do any work to improve its search results&#8211;if you want general information, just go look on Wikipedia!  This means that Google can cram ten zillion paid advertisements into its search results.</p>
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