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		<title>By: ann ominous</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96993</link>
		<dc:creator>ann ominous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Chuck Pelto
RE: Not going to/linking to NYT 

&quot;The solution is just not to go there anymore, nor to reference them in any communication and to counsel others to do the same. For example, a while back some telemarketing call center called me and asked me if I wanted to subscribe to the NYT. I told the telemarketer, “The New York Times can go to hell.” And if a link inadvertantly takes me to one of their articles, I immediately BACK-AWAY; as if I encountered a leper.&quot;

I keep wondering why someone doesn&#039;t implement this in software and distribute it.

Simple version:

An app, which, when you run it, makes a local dns entry for nytimes.com and points it to a page somewhere explaining that this computer is participating in a boycott of nytimes content.

Complex version:

The app contains a locally stored redirection as before, but instead of just going to a static page, it goes to a site with a staff that reads the articles, and for the ones with awful bias points them to a rebuttal instead, and for anything that&#039;s not that bad, redirects the user to the original.  That way, over time, the NYT can learn that the stuff they do that is not biased gets more hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Chuck Pelto<br />
RE: Not going to/linking to NYT </p>
<p>&#8220;The solution is just not to go there anymore, nor to reference them in any communication and to counsel others to do the same. For example, a while back some telemarketing call center called me and asked me if I wanted to subscribe to the NYT. I told the telemarketer, “The New York Times can go to hell.” And if a link inadvertantly takes me to one of their articles, I immediately BACK-AWAY; as if I encountered a leper.&#8221;</p>
<p>I keep wondering why someone doesn&#8217;t implement this in software and distribute it.</p>
<p>Simple version:</p>
<p>An app, which, when you run it, makes a local dns entry for nytimes.com and points it to a page somewhere explaining that this computer is participating in a boycott of nytimes content.</p>
<p>Complex version:</p>
<p>The app contains a locally stored redirection as before, but instead of just going to a static page, it goes to a site with a staff that reads the articles, and for the ones with awful bias points them to a rebuttal instead, and for anything that&#8217;s not that bad, redirects the user to the original.  That way, over time, the NYT can learn that the stuff they do that is not biased gets more hits.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96932</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Hovig
RE: Wikipedia &amp; Lessons Learned

Looks like these items still abide in that venue. Maybe they HAVE learned their lesson after all.

I think the REAL test will be the proverbial &#039;test of time&#039;, i.e., if they are still there six months from now. I&#039;ve noticed that some thinks have a tendency to &#039;disappear&#039;, when no one is supposedly watching them.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. tanstaafl....

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Obamanation&quot;&lt;/b&gt;!!!!!!! Too dang funny.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Hovig<br />
RE: Wikipedia &amp; Lessons Learned</p>
<p>Looks like these items still abide in that venue. Maybe they HAVE learned their lesson after all.</p>
<p>I think the REAL test will be the proverbial &#8216;test of time&#8217;, i.e., if they are still there six months from now. I&#8217;ve noticed that some thinks have a tendency to &#8216;disappear&#8217;, when no one is supposedly watching them.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. tanstaafl&#8230;.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Obamanation&#8221;</b>!!!!!!! Too dang funny&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Hovig</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96878</link>
		<dc:creator>Hovig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck,

Enjoy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>Enjoy: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair</a></p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96862</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If “un-named sources” is good enough for the NYT to repeatedly vilify those nasty conservatives, why are those sources not good enough for the NYT &amp; other liberal media outlets to at least do a comprehensive &amp; honest report about a liberal self righteous do gooder like Edwards?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, uh, lemmee see...hmmmm...the fact that 80% of the MSM (hey, I can make up statistics, too) are in the pocket of the statist/collectivist &lt;b&gt;one world order&lt;/b&gt; citizen of the world guy to be the next socialist leader of the United States of America ?

John Boy was already mentioned for possible Attorney General in the new Obamanation.  

Dollars to donuts an Edwards&#039; speaking gig at the Denver convention doesn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If “un-named sources” is good enough for the NYT to repeatedly vilify those nasty conservatives, why are those sources not good enough for the NYT &amp; other liberal media outlets to at least do a comprehensive &amp; honest report about a liberal self righteous do gooder like Edwards?</i></p>
<p>Well, uh, lemmee see&#8230;hmmmm&#8230;the fact that 80% of the MSM (hey, I can make up statistics, too) are in the pocket of the statist/collectivist <b>one world order</b> citizen of the world guy to be the next socialist leader of the United States of America ?</p>
<p>John Boy was already mentioned for possible Attorney General in the new Obamanation.  </p>
<p>Dollars to donuts an Edwards&#8217; speaking gig at the Denver convention doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubicon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rubicon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me &quot;un-named sources&quot; has been the staple of numerous media outlets over the past ten years, or perhaps even more!
How come the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, et al can report extensively on issues they uncovered from &quot;un-named sources,&quot; &amp; especially or perhaps ONLY when such information reveals a transgression by a conservative, Christian, Republican, or any of th above plus a slew of connected associations.
If &quot;un-named sources&quot; is good enough for the NYT to repeatedly vilify those nasty conservatives, why are those sources not good enough for the NYT &amp; other liberal media outlets to at least do a comprehensive &amp; honest report about a liberal self righteous do gooder like Edwards?
That Wiki has corrected their &quot;editing&quot; is not good enough. In fact, it reveals for all to see that there is a collective dangerous attempt by liberals to color reporting on issues in America.
Wiki got caught. That is the only reason they allowed the correction or reprint. Its like the thief who cries before the judge they are really, really sorry for their crime. When in fact, they are truly sorry not for the crime but for having been caught!
I rely on Wiki for nothing. I use Wiki to uncover attempts to rewrite history &amp; facts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me &#8220;un-named sources&#8221; has been the staple of numerous media outlets over the past ten years, or perhaps even more!<br />
How come the NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, et al can report extensively on issues they uncovered from &#8220;un-named sources,&#8221; &amp; especially or perhaps ONLY when such information reveals a transgression by a conservative, Christian, Republican, or any of th above plus a slew of connected associations.<br />
If &#8220;un-named sources&#8221; is good enough for the NYT to repeatedly vilify those nasty conservatives, why are those sources not good enough for the NYT &amp; other liberal media outlets to at least do a comprehensive &amp; honest report about a liberal self righteous do gooder like Edwards?<br />
That Wiki has corrected their &#8220;editing&#8221; is not good enough. In fact, it reveals for all to see that there is a collective dangerous attempt by liberals to color reporting on issues in America.<br />
Wiki got caught. That is the only reason they allowed the correction or reprint. Its like the thief who cries before the judge they are really, really sorry for their crime. When in fact, they are truly sorry not for the crime but for having been caught!<br />
I rely on Wiki for nothing. I use Wiki to uncover attempts to rewrite history &amp; facts!</p>
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		<title>By: Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96854</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoop Diggity-DANG-Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop talking about John Edwards&#039; love child.  It&#039;s just so unfair.
http://deceiver.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop talking about John Edwards&#8217; love child.  It&#8217;s just so unfair.<br />
<a href="http://deceiver.com/" rel="nofollow">http://deceiver.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96852</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Hovig
RE: The Item at Wikipedia....

...that you pointed out is STILL there. So far...so good.

As for the date is was entered, I figured out their footnote system.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.  --  George Bernard Shaw]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Hovig<br />
RE: The Item at Wikipedia&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;that you pointed out is STILL there. So far&#8230;so good.</p>
<p>As for the date is was entered, I figured out their footnote system.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.  --  George Bernard Shaw]</p>
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		<title>By: conservativeGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativeGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media well be damned if they report anything bad about their favorite ambulance chasing fairy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media well be damned if they report anything bad about their favorite ambulance chasing fairy.</p>
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		<title>By: Hovig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hovig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck,

Are you asking me if I&#039;m a baby? It&#039;s sweet of you to think so. I&#039;ve been online in one form or another since 1989. I wish I were a baby.

Censorship is nothing less than government interference. It&#039;s not censorship when the cool kids don&#039;t let you ride in their car. It&#039;s not censorship when you&#039;re unpopular.

I&#039;ve had my comments deleted. I didn&#039;t cry. In one case I figured the moderator didn&#039;t like my comment -- or didn&#039;t like me -- and I let it slide. I stayed at the site as a contributor, and in fact I developed a decent relationship with the moderator over time. Maybe it&#039;s because I let it slide in the first place, instead of throwing a tantrum. In another case I stopped patronizing that site and I let them have their own site to themselves. These things happen.

There&#039;s no constitutional right to participating in wikipedia, and wikipedia is not the be-all-end-all of internet authority. It&#039;s a great site but it&#039;s not the Bible.

As to your other question, Wikipedia has a history page where you can see all changes to a very fine detail. Go to the John Edwards page and give it a shot. You&#039;ll see all the changes in excruciating detail, including dates and times.

If you&#039;re lucky you may even have one or two of your prejudices flattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>Are you asking me if I&#8217;m a baby? It&#8217;s sweet of you to think so. I&#8217;ve been online in one form or another since 1989. I wish I were a baby.</p>
<p>Censorship is nothing less than government interference. It&#8217;s not censorship when the cool kids don&#8217;t let you ride in their car. It&#8217;s not censorship when you&#8217;re unpopular.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had my comments deleted. I didn&#8217;t cry. In one case I figured the moderator didn&#8217;t like my comment &#8212; or didn&#8217;t like me &#8212; and I let it slide. I stayed at the site as a contributor, and in fact I developed a decent relationship with the moderator over time. Maybe it&#8217;s because I let it slide in the first place, instead of throwing a tantrum. In another case I stopped patronizing that site and I let them have their own site to themselves. These things happen.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no constitutional right to participating in wikipedia, and wikipedia is not the be-all-end-all of internet authority. It&#8217;s a great site but it&#8217;s not the Bible.</p>
<p>As to your other question, Wikipedia has a history page where you can see all changes to a very fine detail. Go to the John Edwards page and give it a shot. You&#8217;ll see all the changes in excruciating detail, including dates and times.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re lucky you may even have one or two of your prejudices flattered.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/04/censored-john-edwardswikipedia-love-child-page-revealed/#comment-96809</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Hovig
RE: That Entry

Is there any way to know when that item was added?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Let&#039;s see how long it endures. That might be a telling indicator of your supposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Hovig<br />
RE: That Entry</p>
<p>Is there any way to know when that item was added?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. Let&#8217;s see how long it endures. That might be a telling indicator of your supposition.</p>
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