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		<title>By: Roger L. Simon &#187; Of course I am &#8220;NO on 8&#8243;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger L. Simon &#187; Of course I am &#8220;NO on 8&#8243;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my photo was prominently displayed on the Republicans Against Proposition 8 page with a link to a post I had written on this blog about the differences between the major social issues - gay marriage and abortion. I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Republicans Against 8 &#187; Roger L. Simon: Republican Against 8</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/30/the-social-issues-are-not-the-same/#comment-97978</link>
		<dc:creator>Republicans Against 8 &#187; Roger L. Simon: Republican Against 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Against Proposition 8.  Simon explains his support for freedom, fairness and equality in a discussion about Vice Presidential nominee Governor Sarah Palin: The preeminent social issues – gay marriage and abortion – are quite separate.  Lumping them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Against Proposition 8.  Simon explains his support for freedom, fairness and equality in a discussion about Vice Presidential nominee Governor Sarah Palin: The preeminent social issues – gay marriage and abortion – are quite separate.  Lumping them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger L Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, let me blunt with you.  You are out of your mind and pathetic.  This &quot;kid&quot; you talk about is the now 40-year old author of two extremely successful novels from a major publisher (Harper Collins), one of which was just nominated for an Edgar.  He is also a graduate of Yale and the University of California (Irvine) in Comp lit.  You are an antediluvian homophobe writing prehistoric comments on a website. Please take them elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, let me blunt with you.  You are out of your mind and pathetic.  This &#8220;kid&#8221; you talk about is the now 40-year old author of two extremely successful novels from a major publisher (Harper Collins), one of which was just nominated for an Edgar.  He is also a graduate of Yale and the University of California (Irvine) in Comp lit.  You are an antediluvian homophobe writing prehistoric comments on a website. Please take them elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget,

I just saw your response to BMoon, so will respond to it.  You asserted that I somehow claimed &quot;that Roger somehow jacked up his son’s upbringing.&quot;

I did nothing of the sort.  The parental relationship is certainly part of the equation, but it is often nothing the parents do on purpose.  More often than not, the key factor is adolescent sexual abuse at the hands of a person of the same sex.  In the gay lexicon, such abuse is euphemistically referred to as &quot;initiation.&quot;  Why would a &quot;healthy&quot; sexual condition cause people to minimize -- hell, even celebrate -- childhood sexual abuse?

Chastity Bono, for instance, &quot;discovered&quot; she was gay as a young teen when her mom (Cher) left her in the care of a lesbian while Cher was off being Cher.  This woman took advantage of the situation and led Chastity into a lesbian relationship.

So yeah, I am truly sorry to hear that anyone is gay, and I&#039;ll be damned if I will simply accept this travesty as an O.K. lifestyle choice when this person is clearly disturbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>I just saw your response to BMoon, so will respond to it.  You asserted that I somehow claimed &#8220;that Roger somehow jacked up his son’s upbringing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did nothing of the sort.  The parental relationship is certainly part of the equation, but it is often nothing the parents do on purpose.  More often than not, the key factor is adolescent sexual abuse at the hands of a person of the same sex.  In the gay lexicon, such abuse is euphemistically referred to as &#8220;initiation.&#8221;  Why would a &#8220;healthy&#8221; sexual condition cause people to minimize &#8212; hell, even celebrate &#8212; childhood sexual abuse?</p>
<p>Chastity Bono, for instance, &#8220;discovered&#8221; she was gay as a young teen when her mom (Cher) left her in the care of a lesbian while Cher was off being Cher.  This woman took advantage of the situation and led Chastity into a lesbian relationship.</p>
<p>So yeah, I am truly sorry to hear that anyone is gay, and I&#8217;ll be damned if I will simply accept this travesty as an O.K. lifestyle choice when this person is clearly disturbed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget,

Why should I apologize for stating the truth?  The evidence for the role of life experiences in the development of homosexuals is overwhelming.  Something clearly happened to this kid, and it&#039;s a sad thing.  By supporting his condition, it is you who are being cruel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>Why should I apologize for stating the truth?  The evidence for the role of life experiences in the development of homosexuals is overwhelming.  Something clearly happened to this kid, and it&#8217;s a sad thing.  By supporting his condition, it is you who are being cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Lili, maybe you should be the one to check on the whole reading comprehension thing.

Let me state my point again:  As screwed up as marriage is, the people who today are most against same-sex marriage are the same ones who fought against (and still strongly disapprove of) the sorts of destructive behaviors you described.  But just because things are already screwed up doesn&#039;t mean that we should screw it up even more by unmooring the entire institution from its foundation.  Gays can not uphold the values of marriage because the very idea of gays marrying is a perversion of the union.

Once you allow SSM and polyamory, marriage has ceased to exist as a viable institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Lili, maybe you should be the one to check on the whole reading comprehension thing.</p>
<p>Let me state my point again:  As screwed up as marriage is, the people who today are most against same-sex marriage are the same ones who fought against (and still strongly disapprove of) the sorts of destructive behaviors you described.  But just because things are already screwed up doesn&#8217;t mean that we should screw it up even more by unmooring the entire institution from its foundation.  Gays can not uphold the values of marriage because the very idea of gays marrying is a perversion of the union.</p>
<p>Once you allow SSM and polyamory, marriage has ceased to exist as a viable institution.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In many large cities it has become the norm to hold annual gay pride days, gay pride weeks, and even gay pride parades in which the most juvenile forms of exhibitionism and nudity are on public view.&lt;/i&gt;

Have a look at photos from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The &#039;07 Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco&lt;/a&gt;

While you&#039;re there, be sure and click on &quot;explicit photos&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In many large cities it has become the norm to hold annual gay pride days, gay pride weeks, and even gay pride parades in which the most juvenile forms of exhibitionism and nudity are on public view.</i></p>
<p>Have a look at photos from <a href="http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php" rel="nofollow">The &#8216;07 Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco</a></p>
<p>While you&#8217;re there, be sure and click on &#8220;explicit photos&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/08/30/the-social-issues-are-not-the-same/#comment-97888</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, BMoon, let&#039;s dissect Ben&#039;s comment:

“Sorry to hear about your son — I didn’t know he was gay.&quot;

He&#039;s addressing this to Roger, a man who clearly loves his son and shared the proud news of his grandchildren. It&#039;s insulting to respond with &quot;sorry about that&quot; -- it doesn&#039;t  matter what you think about gays, it&#039;s damn rude.

&quot;I don’t know what happened to him to make him turn out that way,&quot;

...here insinuating that Roger somehow jacked up his son&#039;s upbringing, which is again totally out of line...

&quot;...but simply accepting his deviant behavior isn’t healthy for any of you.”

...and this is just condescending and rude. You don&#039;t have to agree with someone&#039;s lifestyle, but good people treat each other with basic respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, BMoon, let&#8217;s dissect Ben&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>“Sorry to hear about your son — I didn’t know he was gay.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s addressing this to Roger, a man who clearly loves his son and shared the proud news of his grandchildren. It&#8217;s insulting to respond with &#8220;sorry about that&#8221; &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t  matter what you think about gays, it&#8217;s damn rude.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know what happened to him to make him turn out that way,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;here insinuating that Roger somehow jacked up his son&#8217;s upbringing, which is again totally out of line&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but simply accepting his deviant behavior isn’t healthy for any of you.”</p>
<p>&#8230;and this is just condescending and rude. You don&#8217;t have to agree with someone&#8217;s lifestyle, but good people treat each other with basic respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Neighbour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Neighbour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty H: It&#039;s the sexual act itself that is sanctified.  Not the biological result-if any- that follows the act. 

 You must,of course realize that most acts of sexual intercourse between healthy fertile husbands and wifes do NOT result in conception. But the act itself within marriage is santified regardless of whether it results in conception or not. Get it? It&#039;s as simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty H: It&#8217;s the sexual act itself that is sanctified.  Not the biological result-if any- that follows the act. </p>
<p> You must,of course realize that most acts of sexual intercourse between healthy fertile husbands and wifes do NOT result in conception. But the act itself within marriage is santified regardless of whether it results in conception or not. Get it? It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Neighbour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Neighbour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The average person has been so  subtley but thoroughly brain-washed by the homosexual propaganda industry that they no longer recognize the influence that homosexual culture has on them. 

The terms &quot;gay&quot;, &quot;gay pride&quot;,  &quot;sexual preference&quot;,&quot;out of the closet&quot;, have so infiltrated the English lexicon, that almost noboby stops to think what these and similar words actually mean.

The term &quot;gay&quot; came into use because it connotes a happy state. It became necessary because the word &quot;homosexual&quot; or &quot;homo&quot; instinctively produced a feeling of shame or embarrassment in those who were so inclined. Thus call it something positive and unthreatening like &quot;gay&quot; and the negative feelings disappear.

Then there is the expression &quot;gay pride&quot;. Why is there no equivalent expression &quot;straight pride&quot;? Because people who have normal, natural sexual drives realize that it is nothing to take pride in, just like there is no reason to take pride in your blue eyes or brown hair. Homosexuals however, have a need to deny the innate shame and low self esteem they experience because of their deviant sexual feelings and so attempt to overcompensate by going to the opposite extreme and express their &quot;pride&quot; in their deviancy.

In many large cities it has become the norm to hold annual gay pride days, gay pride weeks, and even gay pride parades in which the most juvenile forms of exhibitionism and nudity are on public view. Were straights to engage in the same kind of behaviours in public, they would be immediately arrested and charged with public mischief and indecent exposure. But the police force is instructed to turn a blind eye to this because it&#039;s all normal, harmless good fun. Unless your young children witness this spectacle and begin to ask questions.

The term &quot;sexual preference&quot; is also interesting because it suggests choice rather than compulsion.

&quot;Coming out(of the closet)&quot; is another interesting expression. It of course suggests something that should be hidden, kept under wraps, or suppressed is from now on out in the open. One must obviously ask: Why was it necessary to be kept hidden in the first place? Could it be that the individual instinctively felt there was something shameful about their sexual inclinations that needed to be hidden? Coming out requires a tremendous amount of either courage, recklessness, or outside encouragement and prodding.

Why is the rate of alcholism, drug abuse, and suicide much higher in the gay community than in the straight community? The answer is obvious: Things are not so happy and gay in the gay community. But these sad facts must be kept from the public. 

Yes, it&#039;s true that some gay couples live in exemplary, happy, monogamous, long term relationships. But I submit they do not flaunt their relationship in public, lead quiet decent public lives, are not constantly &quot;in your face&quot; and are the exception to the rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average person has been so  subtley but thoroughly brain-washed by the homosexual propaganda industry that they no longer recognize the influence that homosexual culture has on them. </p>
<p>The terms &#8220;gay&#8221;, &#8220;gay pride&#8221;,  &#8220;sexual preference&#8221;,&#8221;out of the closet&#8221;, have so infiltrated the English lexicon, that almost noboby stops to think what these and similar words actually mean.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;gay&#8221; came into use because it connotes a happy state. It became necessary because the word &#8220;homosexual&#8221; or &#8220;homo&#8221; instinctively produced a feeling of shame or embarrassment in those who were so inclined. Thus call it something positive and unthreatening like &#8220;gay&#8221; and the negative feelings disappear.</p>
<p>Then there is the expression &#8220;gay pride&#8221;. Why is there no equivalent expression &#8220;straight pride&#8221;? Because people who have normal, natural sexual drives realize that it is nothing to take pride in, just like there is no reason to take pride in your blue eyes or brown hair. Homosexuals however, have a need to deny the innate shame and low self esteem they experience because of their deviant sexual feelings and so attempt to overcompensate by going to the opposite extreme and express their &#8220;pride&#8221; in their deviancy.</p>
<p>In many large cities it has become the norm to hold annual gay pride days, gay pride weeks, and even gay pride parades in which the most juvenile forms of exhibitionism and nudity are on public view. Were straights to engage in the same kind of behaviours in public, they would be immediately arrested and charged with public mischief and indecent exposure. But the police force is instructed to turn a blind eye to this because it&#8217;s all normal, harmless good fun. Unless your young children witness this spectacle and begin to ask questions.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;sexual preference&#8221; is also interesting because it suggests choice rather than compulsion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Coming out(of the closet)&#8221; is another interesting expression. It of course suggests something that should be hidden, kept under wraps, or suppressed is from now on out in the open. One must obviously ask: Why was it necessary to be kept hidden in the first place? Could it be that the individual instinctively felt there was something shameful about their sexual inclinations that needed to be hidden? Coming out requires a tremendous amount of either courage, recklessness, or outside encouragement and prodding.</p>
<p>Why is the rate of alcholism, drug abuse, and suicide much higher in the gay community than in the straight community? The answer is obvious: Things are not so happy and gay in the gay community. But these sad facts must be kept from the public. </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s true that some gay couples live in exemplary, happy, monogamous, long term relationships. But I submit they do not flaunt their relationship in public, lead quiet decent public lives, are not constantly &#8220;in your face&#8221; and are the exception to the rule.</p>
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