102 Comments

1. Gary:

Obama chose poorly. And Biden is supposed to be the guy with experience?

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:36 am 2. Jim:

My grandparents missed that speech by Roosevelt. After all, they were listening to their iPods.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:39 am 3. Gringo:

Given Biden’s track record for decades of gaffe-a-minute, I don’t consider it deliberate.There might be another angle, however. Perhaps ∅bama has decided that he needs to replace Biden with Hillary on the ticket, and has instructed Biden to keep talking thusly- preparing Biden to fall on the sword. When the “grass roots” clamor against Biden grows loud enough, ∅bama will replace Biden.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:40 am 4. Austin:

Biden needs a teleprompter, too,

Or maybe the Manchurian implant.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:41 am 5. Labamigo:

Maybe the plan is that Biden will continue making problems ’til he is tossed off the ticket for Hillary’s big entrance.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:42 am 6. The Professor:

Maybe this is the way the Dems will get rid of Biden. Obama can look forceful by “reigning in” Biden for not following his lead. He can then get Hillary in there and counter the Palin phenomenon.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:44 am 7. edh:

And they accuse Palin of reading from the New Testament, Book of Flintstones, when Jesus rode a brontasuarus into town.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:45 am 8. Phil:

Or has Biden been instructed to commit gaffes until he reaches the point that Obama can, regretfully, of course, feel compelled to replace him with Hillary?

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:45 am 9. travis:

Democrats have already told Biden he’s going to be replaced on the ticket. Hillary has already been told she’ll be asked. That’s why Biden is now openly going against Obama. They needed to generate a “plausible” reason for dumping him. That’s also why Palin was “disinvited” to speak at that meeting where Hillary was going to speak.. They didn’t want Palin to blow Hillary out of the water before Hillary was officially part of the Democratic ticket. It’s all falling into place.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:46 am 10. EK:

I’m guessing that something in Old Joe’s FBI file (as reviewed by Hillary in her White House days), has suddenly been quietly mentioned…after all, the 2012 campaign has already begun for some candidates!

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:46 am 11. Phil:

Gringo:

Bingo

(honestly, I posted mine before seeing yours)

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:46 am 12. plainslow:

Let’s feel sorry for him. Hasn’t he had problems with brain aneurysms? Could they be coming into play?

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:52 am 13. David Thomson:

“Maybe the plan is that Biden will continue making problems ’til he is tossed off the ticket for Hillary’s big entrance.”

Hillary Clinton has little interest in becoming Barack Obama’s second banana. Joe Biden is going nowhere. The dude has always been something of a weirdo. However, most of the time he is simply another U.S. senator and ignored. I am personally not in the least bit surprised. And no, he is not trying to sabotage the campaign. Biden normally puts his foot into his mouth. This is a normal everyday occurrence for him.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:53 am 14. JMH:

Is Biden trying to sabotage Obama?

Biden has a track record of sabotaging his own campaigns, why not Obama’s?

Someday, I’d love to know why Obama made such a stupid pick. For now, I’ll assume it was because Putin invaded Georgia, and Obama panicked, thinking he needed some foreign policy gravitas. Of course, being somewhat clueless about the real world outside Chicago politics and the Arugula Towers of the Senate and Academia, he thought the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee would have that.

Sep 23, 2008 - 11:57 am 15. newton:

Bravo, Joe! Keep it up! You make great comedy!

If you do any of that during your debate - and decide that throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Sarah is not going to have an effect on you…

Pass the popcorn, guys!

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:04 pm 16. mike d:

As Naomi Wolf-at-the-door will tell you, Joe Biden is a Rove-Cheney-Hitler plant, put in place by the Trilateral Commission to hurt the Bright Shining One.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:04 pm 17. hermie:

If Biden has ‘health problems’ which prevent him from being VP, then he can’t be healthy enough to stay on the Delaware ballot for the Senate seat.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:06 pm 18. joe:

Sounds like Biden wasn’t properly vetted (or Obama for that matter).

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm 19. AlanC:

Biden took careful aim and shot Obama in the foot!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html?showall

Biden, in unscripted rope line comments in PA supports clean coal for China, but not for the United States!!

“No coal plants here in America,” he said. “Build them, if they’re going to build them, over there. Make them clean.”

“We’re not supporting clean coal,” he said of himself and Obama. They do, on paper, support clean coal.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm 20. Captain Hate:

David Thomson is correct: This is SOP for Joe. He’s kind of a likable dunce that could be ignored were it not for how the MSM skewered Quayle for lesser and far fewer gaffes.

Replacing him with the glacier in pantsuits assumes (incorrectly imo) that she would accept the role and that Obumbler would be man enough to admit he made a mistake.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm 21. megapotamus:

Never attribute to malice that which is explained by stupidity. No, there is no Machiavelian chicanery going on here. The simple fact is that Joe’s claim to elder statesmanship was based on a media thumb-on-the-scale that is just no longer operative. The weight of Joe’s bottomless imbecility has overwhelmed the hometown refs. This is another good example of how liberal media bias is actually HARMFUL to the Lefties on net. They were never told just how stupid Biden is and had to find it out the hard way. Why, he might even be nearly as stupid as George Bush! Can’t have that get out, can we?

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm 22. Jim O'Sullivan:

AND … don’t forget Biden attacked Obama’s “McCain can’t use a computer” ad. If he’s not trying to get thrown off the ticket, he’s doing a good job of faking it.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:09 pm 23. T.H.:

Even if Obama dumped Biden, Hillary would not take the VP slot. She wasn’t good enough for him before, what would persuade her to accept that Obama thinks she’s good enough now? Obama did not even *pretend* to consider her via a courtesy vetting.

Hillary would look like a fool if she took the job after all the blatant disrespect Obama’s shown her and her husband.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:10 pm 24. BobNC:

Hey, is Lautenberg warmed up yet?

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:14 pm 25. Steve Skubinna:

It’s an amusing concept that Biden is throwing himself on a grenade to allow Hillary to step in, but come on - does anyone seriously think Joe Biden would take one for the team? He’s all about Joe Biden, and has always been all about Joe Biden. Anyone paying attention over the past two decades know this is SOP for him - he can’t help it. He starts up his mouth, and it just takes over. Point a microphone at him, and the higher brain functions drop out and the reptilian political hindbrain takes control.

He just cannot speak without saying something stupid.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:21 pm 26. Armand Hammer:

Maybe this will provide the excuse for Biden to be replaced on the ticket, all these gaffes will be shown to be a result of the brain aneursym that he suffered many years ago.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:22 pm 27. James Hudnall:

I believe Biden thinks he’s the senior person in this campaign, so he sees Obama as some kid. He may also harbor some misgivings about him, and can’t keep that to himself so it slips out with these gaffes. Kind of a Freudian slip.

Heed Biden, Democrats. Biden has spent more time with Obama than you have. He has seen the whole Emperor’s New Clothes act up front.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:24 pm 28. K T Cat:

Amazingly, Sarah Palin is clearly the most competent manager and leader of the four. The rest seem to lurch from one gaffe or contradiction to the next.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:30 pm 29. Reagan Fan:

Why wouldn’t Hillary take the job? She is so power hungry, she put up with Bill’s antics her entire marriage. Obama could dump Joe, announce he felt he had to pick a broad, forget her name and call her “the old battle-axe” for the entire campaign and she would crawl through broken glass to take the position.
There is no bottom to how low she is willing to go for power. Monica proved that.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:30 pm 30. BigFire:

From Sunday’s New York Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/20/2008-09-20_brazilian_beauty_recalls_hot_rio_affair_.html

They found an old flame from when he served as a 21 year old midshipman on his first naval tour. And she have found memory of their time together.

And we learned he’s a great kisser and great in bed, and this is supposed to harm McCain’s campaign how?

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:31 pm 31. JC:

Are you guys sure that Hillary wouldn’t take the VP slot? Power, whether in forming legislation as a Senator or in directing agencies in the Executive, is power, after all. Hillary wants Executive power. If she gets into the Executive brach as VP she can start maneuvering her preferred people into the right jobs and the right agencies. Suddenly she’s got a team of experienced and knowledgeable picks for potential staffers in a Clinton Presidency. I don’t know if she’ll give up the power she has in the Senate to take the VP slot, but when you’re looking for executive experience, why not go the VP route if you can’t be a governor?

There are a lot of “ifs” in there, I know: if she’s willing to bide her time, if she’s willing to give up the power she has now, if she’s willing to take a back seat to Obama until 2016. Hillary Clinton has shown herself to prefer executive-style power. Would it be a stretch to see her jump for a position where she can wield it without much scrutiny? Let’s not forget Hillarycare, the Travel Office, the FBI files and such. Being VP would give her some amount of legal cover for doing the same things she did as First Lady.

Don’t take Hillary out of the potential VP picture until January 20, and even then check to see what Obama says or does.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:32 pm 32. JC:

Bah, I meant “Executive branch,” not “brach.” We’ll leave the Presidential candy preferences out of this for the time being.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:33 pm 33. Larry J:

Biden is a gift that just keeps on giving. I’m pretty sure it was him that I heard in passing a few days ago saying that he has been riding a train home every night for 34 years to tuck his kids in bed. I had to wonder just how old are his kids and why would a 30+ year old need tucking in at night.

So far, no link but I’ll keep looking.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:34 pm 34. DougS:

I don’t see Biden being dumped overboard at this point, even though he isn’t doing Obama any favors. It makes Obama look weak, like he didn’t know what he was doing in the first place.

And I don’t see Hillary cooperating, either. There’s the matter of her being the second banana, but it would also associate her with a candidate who looks weak and a campaign that looks weak, and who might well be a weak President, a Carter redux. I think that Clinton & Clinton believe that their best bet at this point is to let Obama twist in the wind, then emerge in 2012 as the Dem’s Real Messiah.

I also suspect that James Hudnall is on the mark. He’s kind of acting like a dad who can’t quite bear to let his teenage son do it by himself.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:37 pm 35. Mikey NTH:

He’s getting in touch with his inner Grandpa Simpson:

“When I was a pup, we got spanked by presidents ’til the cows came home! Grover Cleveland spanked me on two non-consecutive occasions!”

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:39 pm 36. QuiQuaeQuod:

Biden’s many recent comments gives Obama the option of firing him for insubordination.

The polls will decide.

Sep 23, 2008 - 12:42 pm 37. Huan:

this is Joe being Joe, there is no secret agendas to his gaffes.

i also do not believe Hillary want to be Obama’s VP. She sees that he is incompetent. why be a part of that and take part of the blame whether he wins or lose? in fact, she has a better chance of being president in 2012 if she is not part of the Obama loss than part of it at this point. even if he wins, the calculus suggests that she still might take the democratic nomination in 2012 as an Obama administration appear to be a disaster waiting to happen.
no, she is too smart to get involved with Nobama at this juncture.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:01 pm 38. s sommer:

Oh, great…

Two candidates having repeated “senior moments.”

Two candidates wet behind the ears & trying to improvise their way through it all..

At what point does everybody throw off their R or D tee shirts and admit that we are in deep shit, NONE of these people has what it takes to lead the country and we cannot
afford another 8 years of cluelessness at the top?

No, I am not a disaffected HIllary supporter.. I don’t see anybody capable even in line.

Isn’t it about time we upped our expectations, rather than accepting what is handed out by the R’s and the D’s? If each side spends it’s time attacking the other and justifying their own side, over-looking & excusing the corruption & failures of their own, we are going nowhere. What is happening to the financial system right now is CASE IN POINT.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:06 pm 39. Will Cate:

T.H. is quite right. Obama already screwed Hillary, politically speaking. And we think she’s gonna go back to that? Highly doubtful.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:12 pm 40. tim maguire:

What’s with all the talk about Obama dumping Biden? If Biden is alive, he will be on the ticket. Period. A nominee can’t pick, unpick, and then repick like that and go on to win. Obama is stuck with him come hell or high water.

How close is Biden to the Clintons?

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:13 pm 41. ic:

You all missed the point. Who is the gaffe-machine-san-teleprompter in this election? By directing gaffe attention on himself, Biden saves the One from scrutinies. After all, compares with Biden, the One appears thoughtful, and has more gravitas than his pick whom the MSM proclaimed a statesman with gravitas. In other words, the One has more gravitas than the statesman who is known to have gravitas.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:24 pm 42. This ain’t Hell, but you can see it from here » Blog Archive » Or Maybe He’s Just a Dumb Ass?:

[...] Roger Simon asked whether or not Joe Biden is trying to sabotage Obama. I don’t know if it’s conscious or unconscious, but it sure seems that way. First there’s the flip-flop on AIG, which seems to have caught his running mate’s attention, and now there’s the senior moment of senior moments, implying FDR was President when the stock market crashed in ‘29 and went on television (???) to calm the public. [I thought McCain was the geezer candidate.-ed. It’s all in the mind… or mind-less.] If Palin had said something like that, the MSM would have sent her back to Alaska and frozen her in an iceberg with the wooly mammoths. [...]

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:25 pm 43. Jack Lifton:

Bill Clinton said yesterday that he didn’t want Hillary on the ticket with Obama. Now I see why. Biden was a poor choice. He is inarticulate to say the least, so that he won’t interfere with the perception of Obama as a great orator. The problem is that Obama is a good speaker but he is not much of a thinker nor, in the end, is he really anything but a machine politician from Chicago. Obama will lose, as Bill Clinton already knows, and Hillary will have a good chance of winning the next time. She will not howver choose as a running mate anyone like Biden who is so far out of his depth as to be rediculous.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:37 pm 44. Will Cate:

Interesting theory, ic, but I still think you are ascribing way too much smartness to those guys. The One looks and sounds just as dumb as he ever was, at least to me.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:39 pm 45. ic:

s sommer:
At this stage, like it or not, one of them is going to be our next president. The only prudent thing to do is to choose the candidate whom you believe will do less harm to the country. I choose McCain believing he won’t be running in 2012, opening up the field once again.

The problem with Obama is, the MSM will not criticize their own creation, and nobody will dare say anything unfavorable without being branded a racist. With a compliant Congress, there won’t be “checks and balances” in the next four years. He can do more damages to the country than McCain or Bush can ever dreamed of doing. And, that scares the heck out of me.

May be we should “check and balance” our choices by voting for a presidential candidate of one party and congress members of another party.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:39 pm 46. Mister Snitch!:

The terrible disease that will force Biden’s withdrawal on October 5 is eating his brain. It’s all part of the plan.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:41 pm 47. mrkwong:

s sommer - look at our Presidential history and tell me that McCain, at least, is any worse than 2/3 of what’s been elected in the past. I’m not wild about him, but he doesn’t hide behind polls, and he’s clearly the class of this field.

Obama’s probably a bright guy but he’s spent his entire brief political career ducking and weaving to avoid being caught on record about anything; he hasn’t ever really shown leadership.

Biden’s just a guy whose mouth outruns his brain. No worse than many of our historical second-bananas but certainly not someone I want as President.

Palin seems to be a natural leader, she’s far more libertarian-leaning than anyone either party’s put up in decades, which makes me very interested in seeing her run for the top seat in 2012.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:42 pm 48. Trouble:

And… the Dems once again attempt to screw the pooch in every way imaginable.

Great jumpin’ Jeezuz.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:43 pm 49. A.W.:

I think a more experienced politician wouldn’t have chosen Biden.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:43 pm 50. Keeskennis:

I do not understand why this is still a contest.
But then I am from Africa.
Would Hillary accept?

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:49 pm 51. rvastar:

Maybe the plan is that Biden will continue making problems ’til he is tossed off the ticket for Hillary’s big entrance.

Exactly what I’m thinking. And no one should put it past The Obamanation and his Dem-Media Party because it’s exactly the same tactic that they used before to help the Big O get out from underneath his Jeremiah “Damn Whitey!” wright “distraction”.

When the Dem-Media could no longer ignore the video of Wright’s despicable “preaching”, the Obamanation gives his famous “But Granny Was A Racist, Too” speech. The Dem-Media enthuses that “Jesus has returned!” But no matter how many thrills ran up their legs, everyday Americans weren’t as impressed.

“Man, if only the Big O could have a do-over.”

Hey, what do you know?!? Right on cue, here come’s ol’ Jeremy again, shouting that he meant every word and stating that it was on between him and The Obamation. And lo and behold, this time the Big O gets it right, declaring his “outrage” and “disgust” - nevermind the fact that Wright said exactly the same things that the Obamanation had earlier explained away. The Dem-Media collectively wets itself, creating dictionaries of new phrases for singing the Big O’s praises!

Funny thing though: for all his talk about how he wasn’t going to be cowed by the Big O, ol’ Jeremy sure has been scarce lately. Anybody seen him? I wonder why he’s lying low?

And something about this constant stream of recent Biden “gaffes” makes me think that this is just more of the same, setting up another do-over for the Obamantion. I mean come on: is anyone really supposed to believe that Biden is so much of a doofus that he would just “accidentally” call one of his own campaign’s ads “despicable”?

Watch for Biden to be replaced after the 3rd presidential debate on Oct. 15th.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:57 pm 52. Barry Dauphin:

Is there a bus in Biden’s future?

Probably not, but I’m not sure I remember a campaign with as much talk about getting rid of the VP candidate.

Sep 23, 2008 - 1:57 pm 53. bc:

A lot of voters are doing a simple calculation. On the one hand president Obama will screw the rich, take their money, and give some to me. On the other hand, president Obama might get us all killed. Like the old Jack Benny routine, don’t bother them, they’re thinking!

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:07 pm 54. Tom:

The only possible way Obama could dump Biden at this point and retain any shred of hope to stay viable is if Biden were medically unable to continue.
So, unless they’re setting up a deviously Machiavellian scheme (i.e. a fake medical explanation for Biden’s remarkably stupid performance)it probably is just that Biden is an idiot …. and they’re stuck with him.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:11 pm 55. ratting:

Of course Obama wants to dump Biden. The reality is he cannot. Obama went with what he stupidly perceived as a “safe choice” that was anything but. To get rid of Biden would highlight Obama’s utter cluelessness and unfitness even to serve in the galley of fools, the United States Senate.

If Obama were to win, which doesn’t appear as likely these days, Biden would be forced out by mid-09.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:18 pm 56. K T Cat:

Obama would have to be insane to dump Biden for Hillary. It would be like having the entire Borgia family as your second-in-command. There would be a wave of poisonings and “suicides” that would sweep the capital following Obama’s inaugaration, capped off by Obama mysteriously hanging himself after throwing himself backwards on a salad fork 53 times.

The press, of course, would decry the Republican attack machine to attempting to smear Lucrezia Borgi…, err, President Hillary Clinton.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:21 pm 57. Texas Pete:

I’m heading over the ABC/CBS/NBC websites to ask them which one carried Roosevelt’s historic 1929 address.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:27 pm 58. Godzilla:

I think that Biden is in for the duration. This is not a Torricelli situation. Torricelli was a crook. Biden is just a gaffe machine. Obama is finished if Biden is tossed out.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:28 pm 59. Peg C.:

I hate to say it but I wonder if Gringo is right. There’s too much coming out suddenly displaying a gulf or animosity between Biden and Obama to be acccidental. Could this all be a set up for Hillary? The veep debate is in 9 days so we’ll know for sure very soon.

I don’t know who I’d rather see Palin debate - Biden or Hillary. Biden has a ton of so-called experience and is a gaffe-o-matic, mean dolt. Hillary is a shrill and stern schoolmarm. Jennifer Rubin is right: Palin is the only one in the race who exudes optimism and good cheer and doesn’t lecture us that our lives are miserable and we’re all selfish, awful people who need a good comeuppance.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:28 pm 60. SukieTawdry:

Now, now, Barry chose a Governing Partner (whereas McCain went with a Gimmick) and all the rest of this stuff is just a distraction from the economy, education, health care and the rest of the issues Americans care about.

No way Biden, who I agree was a panic pick, gets dropped. Obama would look like a bigger fool than he appears now for having picked Biden in the first place. I’m wondering how long the campaign will allow all this crazy talk to go on before Obama steps up with a vote of confidence (if he says he’s behind Biden 1000%, though, all bets are off).

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:30 pm 61. DougS:

“The only possible way Obama could dump Biden at this point and retain any shred of hope to stay viable is if Biden were medically unable to continue.”

Yes. And that didn’t exactly help McGovern in ‘72, when Eagleton left the ticket, did it?

No matter what the reason, Obama looks weak if Biden leaves the ticket. If for some putative medical reason, the question will be, why wasn’t he vetted for health issues?

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:34 pm 62. QuiQuaeQuod:

Sure Obama would like to dump Biden, but not for Hillary.

Think of other qualified democrat women.

I can’t either.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:41 pm 63. ROA:

If Obama dumps Biden for Hillary it will only be because Obama has promised to let Hillary be the de facto president for the next 4/8 years. Hillary will have 10 more times as much authority than Cheney ever had. Obama will attend funerals and Hillary will run the executive branch.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:41 pm 64. Godzilla:

If for some putative medical reason, the question will be, why wasn’t he vetted for health issues?

And Biden is looking pretty chipper these days.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:45 pm 65. exhelodrvr:

Maybe Michele would be the next VP nominee. That would allow for the maximum ceiling breakage, as well as being good for their children.

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:49 pm 66. Jenzo:

OMG - I was just thinking this same thing the other day and told my husband. He thought I was crazy. I can’t see any other plausible explanation with the exception of maybe Biden being a drunk or on pills.

Is Biden tight with Bill and Hill? Hmmmm…

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:49 pm 67. exhelodrvr:

Is Biden racist for disagreeing with Obama?

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:50 pm 68. Godzilla:

And Biden is looking pretty chipper these days.

Course, with all that ice cream he’s been eating, who’s to say he wont’ chomp down on a Rocky Road doublescoop made with tainted milk from China?

Sep 23, 2008 - 2:51 pm 69. McCarroll:

Obama’s judgment has already been questioned to the extent that he could never replace Biden at this point. Only solution is to put the old boy in the smokehouse and keep him quiet until the election is over.

As for a possible brain aneurysm, couldn’t happen. You have to have a brain first.

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:00 pm 70. DougS:

“Course, with all that ice cream he’s been eating,…”

Maybe the campaign will use Sudden Brain Freeze Syndrome as the medical excuse.

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:01 pm 71. Terrye:

I have wondered if Biden was doing this on purpose for Hillary. I don’t mean so that she can replace him on the ticket, but so that she can run in the next election after Obama loses.

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:05 pm 72. Chrisz:

Biden is doing this with the express permission of the Obama campain so that in a short while, they can appear justified in replacing him with Hillary.

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:11 pm 73. kaba:

I’m not sure if it would even be possible to change a VP candidate now. Many ballots have already been printed. In fact my absentee ballot is sitting on my desk now.

And HC would have more to gain from an Obama loss than she would gain by being his VP.

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:19 pm 74. Brian G.:

Obama should dump Biden and add a woman to energize his ticket. After all, who wouldn’t go nuts in excitement over Pelosi, Boxer, or Eleanor Holmes Norton?

Sep 23, 2008 - 3:46 pm 75. WorkinStiff:

The Joe & Obie show: Joe talks about President Roosevelt talking on TV in 1929 while Obie refers to , ” My Muslim Faith”, ( check out youtube: Obama muslim gaffe),….Both are lost without teleprompters…..Obama especially stutters & stammers…The debates should be great TV……Get the popcorn, sit back & enjoy..

Sep 23, 2008 - 4:10 pm 76. John O'Connor:

I think we should all remember what Rudy said at the convention” if I was Biden I would get that VP thing in writing”.I think this gives another reason not to vote Democrat this year, You have to question his judgement–I mean he had months to ponder his choice and this is who he picks–its judgement not experience says BO and he is right –bad and none

Sep 23, 2008 - 4:21 pm 77. AlanC:

Biden can’t leave.

Obama would look, at best, as the inexperienced doofus he is.

Don’t forget, Biden was added to the ticket to bolster Obama against the lack of experience charge!! Hillary wouldn’t help much with that even if she would take it (not a chance in hell). So what high powered experienced type will they try and pull out to replace Joe that would actually take the job under those circs.????

Sep 23, 2008 - 4:29 pm 78. Mary Quite Contrary:

Another possible scenario: Yes, Biden is sabotaging The One because he is cahoots with the Clintons, whose true goal is a McCain victory. With The One in the White House, Hillary loses her 2012 shot. But with a one-term McCain presidency, the path is clear for a 2012 Hillary candidacy. Hill envisions an easy win over Sarah Palin. However, methinks she has “misunderestimated” the competition. It will be Palin/Jindal in ‘12 and they will win.

Sep 23, 2008 - 5:08 pm 79. nckhawk:

On top of the wrong President gaff, I believe the national population of TV sets during the crash was around 2000 units in the field. Biden is going to continue to just make stuff up.

Sep 23, 2008 - 5:24 pm 80. Michael Lonie:

QuiQuaeQuod,
Governor Sebelius.

Sep 23, 2008 - 5:35 pm 81. Barry Dauphin:

Biden is being Biden. This is exactly who and what he has been for years. It’s just that now more people are…you know…actually listening to what comes out of his mouth. But only some bloggers are making anything out of this. As Jonah Goldberg @NRO said (my paraphrasing), Biden could appear on Meet the Press and in the middle of the interview yell, “Get these squirrels off me!” and the MSM would go– There goes Joe again, gosh darn. The story is that if Palin said half of what Joe says, she (& McCain) would be toast.

Sep 23, 2008 - 5:56 pm 82. Saint Juste:

It’s over, given the polls. At least HRC and Bill are finished — as to the executive branch.

We should be considering our places of exile…

Sep 23, 2008 - 6:06 pm 83. Memento Mori:

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of Obama’s bedroom tonight and every night, focusing my several hundred ommatidia (eyes to you) on the Prophet as he sobs into his pillow a remorseful refrain:

“What? What? What in the name of Annenberg was I thinking?”

Sep 23, 2008 - 6:09 pm 84. Godzilla:

Biden is a word-association experiment without an off switch or boundaries. He’s making the Obama/Biden ticket look like a comedy act. “Stand up Chuck. Oh! What am I saying? Well we’re gonna stand up for you, pal. Stand up! Stand up for Chuck!”

And all that experience of his led him to the idea that Iraq should be split up into 3 countries (which Palin will probably nail him on in the debate). Is there any way to comment on his split-up-Iraq suggestion without appearing to be making an adhominem attack on his intelligence? “Bad judgment” is off by whole degrees. “Sheer idiocy” comes closer to the mark, but even that phrase is wanting. With split-up-Iraq, we’re in “F**king brain-dead numbnuts” territory.

Sep 23, 2008 - 6:30 pm 85. Tresjin:

When does it become too late for the Eagleton option, anyway? Ballots have to be printed soon, if they haven’t begun already. The replacement of Eagleton by Shriver was done at the beginning of August ‘72. Is there some point where the ballots ship out and a court ends up ruling, “These votes are for electors for Obama/Biden, not Obama/FillInTheBlank.”?

Sep 23, 2008 - 7:20 pm 86. Mark Poling:

Okay, let’s assume two things: (1) Hillary! tells Obama to bite her shiny metal ass when he comes to her hat-in-hand to be his new sidekick; (2) Biden’s got to go anyway, because he’s a traveling Monty Python skit.

Who really gets to be the October Surprise? Who might conceivably help Obama? (John Edwards right now must be thinking “stop thinking with the little head, stop thinking with the little head…”)

My best guess: Jim Webb. He’s already said he doesn’t want the position, but again, getting asked really sets him up for ‘12, and he’s got to figure Obama is in the middle of a Dukakis-level debacle.

Sep 23, 2008 - 7:29 pm 87. B. Grinstead:

obama/biden are setting the stage for obama to dump biden and replace him with ……hillary?? natually before the VP debate.

Sep 23, 2008 - 7:32 pm 88. Godzilla:

Oh, oh. Operation S.O.B? (Operation Save Our Biden)

Operation Save Our Biden

Can a ticket heaped in redicule survive?

Sep 23, 2008 - 7:34 pm 89. jake:

isn’t biden the guy on the back of a milk carton?

Sep 23, 2008 - 8:44 pm 90. jacksonhunted:

I have to agree with something read elsewhere: Biden probably wants off this ticket. Biden didn’t realize how unlikely an Obama win was back in August, and he probably didn’t know how lame Barry really is. The gaffes may not be accidents or a coordination at all. They are a plea for help.

Sep 23, 2008 - 9:00 pm 91. penny:

Biden has always been a loose cannon, a blowhard numbskull. His latest utterance of no clean coal use in America is as dumb as it gets. We have a 200 year reserve of accessible cheap coal that can be cleaned up and put to use to power our grids. It’s sheer stupidity to think that alternatives like wind and solar are going to be anything but marginal at best.

We are doomed if collective hubris and stupidity puts Osama/Biden in the White House. But, with each election cycle, face it, thanks to our schools and media we have a more dumbed down electorate. The Democrats, truly ineffective pigs at the trough, are adding student, car and credit loans to the bailout package. If you haven’t emailed your congressman now is the time to do it.

Bringing back Hillary just reinforces how stupid Obama is.

Sep 23, 2008 - 9:13 pm 92. Iago:

The Politburo (Soros, Kennedy, Daley) picked Obama early on and sabotaged Hillary’s run for the nomination. There is much bad blood betwen Zero and Hill. Zero won’t pick Hill for VP, and Hill would not accept.

There is also the McGovern/Eagleton precedent. Not only was Eagleton not properly vetted, McGovern looked incompetent in making his first important decision, and then he looked wishy-washy as he floundered around looking for a replacement. No matter what happens, Zero cannot afford to look either incompetent or wishy-washy at this point. Biden is the man, for better or for worse. (Worse!).

So, who the hell vetted Zero for the most important job in the world?

Sep 24, 2008 - 1:37 am 93. Commentary » Blog Archive » Flotsam and Jetsam:

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Sep 24, 2008 - 4:50 am 94. Joe:

Biden endorses McCain in Pennsylvania: http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFjYWMzM2Q4MDNiNGEyODBiNDZlYTVkYjIyN2QyMTU=

Sep 24, 2008 - 5:00 am 95. boqueronman:

Iago’s observation is probably accurate. Frankly, no one knows the behind the scenes action concerning Hillary and the VP nomination. Maybe Hillary actually turned down an offer. But let’s explore some scenarios with Hillary replacing Biden. Obama wins. His first term is positive: Hillary remains as VP into second term. By 2016 she is in her late sixties. It is likely that the novelty of women candidates for Pres/VP has worn off; plus, she’s now OLD. His first term is negative: Hillary’s VP term ends in 2012; the Repub is elected and, possibly serves two terms. Hillary in 2020! Puhleeze. McCain wins. Only under this scenario does Hillary have a realistic chance to gain the presidency in 2012. Say this financial instability drags on AND the markets and public finally wakes up to the $53 trillion entitlement debt tsunami as the tax/FICA revenue shortfall is revealed (amongst other negative possibilities), Hillary might make it a race. No, even if Obama begged her, her best bet is to stay on the sidelines, work surreptitiously for an Obama defeat (as that would discredit the hard left nutroot core of this campaign which was supposed to be a lock), and get prepped for the 2012 run.

Sep 24, 2008 - 8:30 am 96. steveaz:

Think of Biden as a jacketed usher in a grand hall with Obama in tow, and his gaffes make sense.

Lately, I’ve been thinking that Obama’s candidacy is a sham one. The Democrats know that the Chicago wing of their party is rotten, and they needed to find a way to exorcise it from their party this year.

What better way than to give it a pretend leadership role this election, lose it (with Biden’s help), then, with the Chicago element sidelined, run a more centrist candidate in 2012?

The Dem’s can credibly maintain that they fielded the “Black Liberation” candidate, in the process retaining the urban black votes they’ll need in 2012, and yet, they can still usher the gang that brought us “Election 2000″ out the door.

This idea also explains the media’s recruitment to project Obama’s mien to the public. It’s all for show.

Sep 24, 2008 - 9:18 am 97. Diane:

To be fair, is it possible that Biden meant to refer to another market crash happeneing on FDR’s watch? His quote doesn’t specifically mention “the 1929 crash.”

I know, television didn’t really take off until the early 1950s, and what experimental broadcasting existed before then came to a sudden halt with the start of WWII. But it’s a theory…

Sep 24, 2008 - 12:38 pm 98. ricpic:

Biden’s a fool. The attempt to read anything beyond foolishness into a fool’s acts is…foolish.

Sep 24, 2008 - 1:05 pm 99. achalle:

Shhhhhh…..
Be very, very quiet.
He is hunting wabbits..
The dude belongs in the Star Wars Bar…..after the election.
Wadddda Marrrooon.

Sep 24, 2008 - 4:27 pm 100. AnAverageAmerican:

What the heck is, “I don’t know if it’s conscious or unconscious, but it sure seems that way.”, supposed to mean? If it’s a riff of the title shouldn’t there be an ellipsis or something?

I agree with the message of your post, but I have a problem with the grammar (or is that syntax 8^)

Sep 24, 2008 - 5:53 pm 101. Roger L Simon:

FWIW, Average, subordinate clause refers to the title of the post. I do that sometimes to keep things moving quickly. Probably not always a good idea.

Sep 24, 2008 - 6:05 pm 102. Another Day of Gaffes for Joe Biden | Christopher Howell:

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