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		<title>By: david levavi</title>
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		<dc:creator>david levavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...The people who do have power are the executives and directors... the reviewers...and the elite opinion-makers...they&#039;re all part of the Hollywood left-wing establishment...

...in real life, filmmakers routinely outsource their productions to places... where they can avoid paying union premiums...when the Writers Guild struck last year, we saw studio liberals turn into corporate hard-guys in the blink of an eye...

Klavan’s accurate take on wealthy and powerful “liberals” needs to be continually repeated. These obscene posers  represent a dominating class that controls (and continually degrades) American culture.  

What screen writers experienced with the studios last year was experienced more brutally decades ago by editors, book designers and production people when they attempted to unionize the publishing industry. Macmillan, as I recall, was particularly vicious but Random House, S&amp;S and others were little better. And this was before the German takeover of American book publishing.

That political films fail is only natural. Satire requires audacity, brilliance and genuine sophistication, each individually rare. And satire doesn’t allow for partial success.  Satire either succeeds brilliantly or it flops miserably.  The writer is either a genius or a jackass.

That’s why writers who advertise themselves as satirists—Christopher Buckley comes to mind—are inevitably mediocrities trafficking in insider sneers and arch chuckles to the politically like-minded. Christopher Guest’s spoofs beginning with This Is Spinal Tap have been consistently amusing but what else is there? The only great film satires that come to mind are John Huston’s, The Man Who Would Be King on British imperialism (from Kipling) and Preston Sturgiss’s, The Great McGinty on American politics.

What amazes me is that an industry which can’t manage to produce one worthwhile drama or one genuinely funny comedy a year would even attempt satire. 

Lack of good scripts, the oft heard excuse, is just that and nothing more. Hollywood blows it even when supplied the best of print sources. Consider the reverse alchemy--gold to lead--performed on Tom Wolfe&#039;s, Bonfire of the Vanities. (Incidentally, the only novel that could have predicted the rise of a Barack Obama to the presidency.)

Klavan thinks a regime change is in order. Funny notion. What’s required is a revolution. Pitchforks and torches. Hanging ropes and firing squads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;The people who do have power are the executives and directors&#8230; the reviewers&#8230;and the elite opinion-makers&#8230;they&#8217;re all part of the Hollywood left-wing establishment&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;in real life, filmmakers routinely outsource their productions to places&#8230; where they can avoid paying union premiums&#8230;when the Writers Guild struck last year, we saw studio liberals turn into corporate hard-guys in the blink of an eye&#8230;</p>
<p>Klavan’s accurate take on wealthy and powerful “liberals” needs to be continually repeated. These obscene posers  represent a dominating class that controls (and continually degrades) American culture.  </p>
<p>What screen writers experienced with the studios last year was experienced more brutally decades ago by editors, book designers and production people when they attempted to unionize the publishing industry. Macmillan, as I recall, was particularly vicious but Random House, S&amp;S and others were little better. And this was before the German takeover of American book publishing.</p>
<p>That political films fail is only natural. Satire requires audacity, brilliance and genuine sophistication, each individually rare. And satire doesn’t allow for partial success.  Satire either succeeds brilliantly or it flops miserably.  The writer is either a genius or a jackass.</p>
<p>That’s why writers who advertise themselves as satirists—Christopher Buckley comes to mind—are inevitably mediocrities trafficking in insider sneers and arch chuckles to the politically like-minded. Christopher Guest’s spoofs beginning with This Is Spinal Tap have been consistently amusing but what else is there? The only great film satires that come to mind are John Huston’s, The Man Who Would Be King on British imperialism (from Kipling) and Preston Sturgiss’s, The Great McGinty on American politics.</p>
<p>What amazes me is that an industry which can’t manage to produce one worthwhile drama or one genuinely funny comedy a year would even attempt satire. </p>
<p>Lack of good scripts, the oft heard excuse, is just that and nothing more. Hollywood blows it even when supplied the best of print sources. Consider the reverse alchemy&#8211;gold to lead&#8211;performed on Tom Wolfe&#8217;s, Bonfire of the Vanities. (Incidentally, the only novel that could have predicted the rise of a Barack Obama to the presidency.)</p>
<p>Klavan thinks a regime change is in order. Funny notion. What’s required is a revolution. Pitchforks and torches. Hanging ropes and firing squads.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rendition made ~64% of its box overseas. For a grand total of $26.6 million.

The Kingdom made ~45% of its box overseas. For a total box of $86.6 million.

Alexander made ~79% of its box overseas, for a total of $167.3 million.

Neither The Kingdom nor Alexander made even $20 million box over their production costs (Rendition&#039;s production cost isn&#039;t listed).

Hollywood&#039;s propaganda movies aren&#039;t even a financial success overseas.

Iron Man, however, boxed $571.8 million, with ~44% of that coming overseas.  With a production budget of $140 million.

And The Dark Knight&#039;s gross is $990 million, ~47% from overseas.

The theory that Hollywood can blow off the US audience and live off of overseas audiences, doesn&#039;t hold up.  Too often a movie that dies here, dies overseas too.  Conversely, a movie that succeeds here will usually be a success overseas as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rendition made ~64% of its box overseas. For a grand total of $26.6 million.</p>
<p>The Kingdom made ~45% of its box overseas. For a total box of $86.6 million.</p>
<p>Alexander made ~79% of its box overseas, for a total of $167.3 million.</p>
<p>Neither The Kingdom nor Alexander made even $20 million box over their production costs (Rendition&#8217;s production cost isn&#8217;t listed).</p>
<p>Hollywood&#8217;s propaganda movies aren&#8217;t even a financial success overseas.</p>
<p>Iron Man, however, boxed $571.8 million, with ~44% of that coming overseas.  With a production budget of $140 million.</p>
<p>And The Dark Knight&#8217;s gross is $990 million, ~47% from overseas.</p>
<p>The theory that Hollywood can blow off the US audience and live off of overseas audiences, doesn&#8217;t hold up.  Too often a movie that dies here, dies overseas too.  Conversely, a movie that succeeds here will usually be a success overseas as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As bogie wheel said, a big part of the problem for &quot;An American Carol&quot; was it just wasn&#039;t all that funny.  Further, the whole &quot;Christmas Carol&quot; plot has been done... to death.  Yes, aAC had the twist of it being about 4th of July instead of Christmas, but, that&#039;s not a big enough difference to really matter.

Further, I&#039;m not sure that the Christmas Carol format lent itself well to a comedy vehicle.  The whole point is to convince someone of the error of their ways, but so much of what was presented was as stereotypicl of the left as the left uses against the right.

Second point: whoever did the distribution deal for aAC did a piss-poor job.  I live in a city of about 150,000, with a surrounding metro area of about 600,000.  There were, I think, 2 theaters in town showing the film, and three out of town (the nearest of those being 10 miles away) showing it, While &quot;Beverly Hills Chihuahua&quot; was on countless screens in town as well as out.  So, in that situation, of course aAC isn&#039;t going to do very well.  (Compare it with &quot;Body of Lies,&quot; which had a much better distribution, and you begin to see that aAC didn&#039;t do very badly...)

Bottm line: if we want alternative media to work, we have to give it support, it needs better distribution, and the material has to be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As bogie wheel said, a big part of the problem for &#8220;An American Carol&#8221; was it just wasn&#8217;t all that funny.  Further, the whole &#8220;Christmas Carol&#8221; plot has been done&#8230; to death.  Yes, aAC had the twist of it being about 4th of July instead of Christmas, but, that&#8217;s not a big enough difference to really matter.</p>
<p>Further, I&#8217;m not sure that the Christmas Carol format lent itself well to a comedy vehicle.  The whole point is to convince someone of the error of their ways, but so much of what was presented was as stereotypicl of the left as the left uses against the right.</p>
<p>Second point: whoever did the distribution deal for aAC did a piss-poor job.  I live in a city of about 150,000, with a surrounding metro area of about 600,000.  There were, I think, 2 theaters in town showing the film, and three out of town (the nearest of those being 10 miles away) showing it, While &#8220;Beverly Hills Chihuahua&#8221; was on countless screens in town as well as out.  So, in that situation, of course aAC isn&#8217;t going to do very well.  (Compare it with &#8220;Body of Lies,&#8221; which had a much better distribution, and you begin to see that aAC didn&#8217;t do very badly&#8230;)</p>
<p>Bottm line: if we want alternative media to work, we have to give it support, it needs better distribution, and the material has to be better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that the comments above defending &quot;Body of Lies&quot; should be noted. Ridley Scott is one of the better big timers out there, &#039;Black Hawk Down&#039; earned him mega-bonus points in my book, so BoL may not be worth lumping in with &#039;Redacted&#039; and such drivel.

I am most interested in how &#039;W&#039; does. It is kind of sad, as the trailers made me aware, that one could actually tell a really interesting and compelling story, warts included, about GWB and his Presidency, but the idea that Oliver Stone could ever be that someone is absurd. So every one of us, from conservatives to drooling Michael Moore groupies, knows what to expect, and will be right. I think conservatives will not spend dime one on &#039;W&#039; obviously, and Bush-haters have other things on their minds right now (Bush is so passe).

Also, let us watch for that cute thing of people going to OTHER movies that weekend, being sold tickets to &#039;W&#039; and told &quot;Oh, don&#039;t worry, it doesn&#039;t matter, just go to the theater you want&quot;. 

Yeah, real cute, people. Watch for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that the comments above defending &#8220;Body of Lies&#8221; should be noted. Ridley Scott is one of the better big timers out there, &#8216;Black Hawk Down&#8217; earned him mega-bonus points in my book, so BoL may not be worth lumping in with &#8216;Redacted&#8217; and such drivel.</p>
<p>I am most interested in how &#8216;W&#8217; does. It is kind of sad, as the trailers made me aware, that one could actually tell a really interesting and compelling story, warts included, about GWB and his Presidency, but the idea that Oliver Stone could ever be that someone is absurd. So every one of us, from conservatives to drooling Michael Moore groupies, knows what to expect, and will be right. I think conservatives will not spend dime one on &#8216;W&#8217; obviously, and Bush-haters have other things on their minds right now (Bush is so passe).</p>
<p>Also, let us watch for that cute thing of people going to OTHER movies that weekend, being sold tickets to &#8216;W&#8217; and told &#8220;Oh, don&#8217;t worry, it doesn&#8217;t matter, just go to the theater you want&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yeah, real cute, people. Watch for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point worth noting about how many of these films are made with overseas money in mind (either earning it or financing it, or both).

Consider that Hollywood types are some of the loudest wailers and teeth-gnashers over how Bush et al has &quot;terribly damged our &#039;image&#039; in the world&quot;, how &quot; people don&#039;t love us any more&quot;, etc etc.

Confront them with the strange and bizarre idea that maybe THEY have as much of a role to play in that being the case as Bush, IF NOT MORE, given so much of their work. Watch them then look at you as if you are some sort of bug that started speaking all of a sudden.

They &quot;mean well&quot;, thus can do no wrong. Bush&#039;s fault, Bush&#039;s fault, Bush&#039;s fault.

Putzes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point worth noting about how many of these films are made with overseas money in mind (either earning it or financing it, or both).</p>
<p>Consider that Hollywood types are some of the loudest wailers and teeth-gnashers over how Bush et al has &#8220;terribly damged our &#8216;image&#8217; in the world&#8221;, how &#8221; people don&#8217;t love us any more&#8221;, etc etc.</p>
<p>Confront them with the strange and bizarre idea that maybe THEY have as much of a role to play in that being the case as Bush, IF NOT MORE, given so much of their work. Watch them then look at you as if you are some sort of bug that started speaking all of a sudden.</p>
<p>They &#8220;mean well&#8221;, thus can do no wrong. Bush&#8217;s fault, Bush&#8217;s fault, Bush&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>Putzes.</p>
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		<title>By: myna</title>
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		<dc:creator>myna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! We are subsidizing Hollywood, Wall Street, Banks and next time New York Times and MSNBC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! We are subsidizing Hollywood, Wall Street, Banks and next time New York Times and MSNBC?</p>
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		<title>By: irishlad317</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishlad317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with D.  I saw Body of Lies, and it didn&#039;t strike me a particularly harsh on America.  It actually showed the Islamofacist threat as real, and showed that we have people taking actions to stop them.  The actions are unpleasant, and there&#039;s double dealing, but it isn&#039;t trying to make the point that there is no real problem.

Eagle Eye and the implied threat that the government is watching and controlling everything (or may be capable of working toward that point) has a more anti-government point of view.  On the other hand, it also showed heroic people stopping the rogue computer to save the sitting government.  So... not too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with D.  I saw Body of Lies, and it didn&#8217;t strike me a particularly harsh on America.  It actually showed the Islamofacist threat as real, and showed that we have people taking actions to stop them.  The actions are unpleasant, and there&#8217;s double dealing, but it isn&#8217;t trying to make the point that there is no real problem.</p>
<p>Eagle Eye and the implied threat that the government is watching and controlling everything (or may be capable of working toward that point) has a more anti-government point of view.  On the other hand, it also showed heroic people stopping the rogue computer to save the sitting government.  So&#8230; not too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: LSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great interview with Andrew Klavan over at the Hoover Institute&#039;s &#039;Uncommon Knowledge&#039; series.  It reveals intelligence, integrity and style. 

Oh, and I think &quot;W&quot; will do well in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great interview with Andrew Klavan over at the Hoover Institute&#8217;s &#8216;Uncommon Knowledge&#8217; series.  It reveals intelligence, integrity and style. </p>
<p>Oh, and I think &#8220;W&#8221; will do well in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: hermie</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They spend $40, $50, $60 million on a piece of propaganda because its always someone else&#039;s money. Those in Hollywood who parrot the lines about being so &#039;concerned&#039; about &#039;fairness&#039;, are the first to rip someone off with accounting practices that would&#039;ve made Ken Lay blush, or contracts which are suppoesd to ensure that those who should be compensated fairly are the ones who get the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They spend $40, $50, $60 million on a piece of propaganda because its always someone else&#8217;s money. Those in Hollywood who parrot the lines about being so &#8216;concerned&#8217; about &#8216;fairness&#8217;, are the first to rip someone off with accounting practices that would&#8217;ve made Ken Lay blush, or contracts which are suppoesd to ensure that those who should be compensated fairly are the ones who get the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So USA does not want to pay to see anti-USA movies....is this why our politicians are now voting to have us subsidize hollywood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So USA does not want to pay to see anti-USA movies&#8230;.is this why our politicians are now voting to have us subsidize hollywood?</p>
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