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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh hell with it.

GO AHEAD, VOTE FOR A SOCIALIST! SEE IF I CARE! Piss away your rights, screw up your standard of living.

Put incompetent buffoons in charge of your childrens&#039; edu ... Ooops, too late.

But when the bread line wait goes into its second day, don&#039;t come crying to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh hell with it.</p>
<p>GO AHEAD, VOTE FOR A SOCIALIST! SEE IF I CARE! Piss away your rights, screw up your standard of living.</p>
<p>Put incompetent buffoons in charge of your childrens&#8217; edu &#8230; Ooops, too late.</p>
<p>But when the bread line wait goes into its second day, don&#8217;t come crying to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When figuring the small buiness income does Obama mean gross or net? Since he wants us to become Socialistic he needs to state how he comes to the limitation regarding small business and their figures. A group of five or six COFFEE STORES owned by one person may do $ 50,000.00 a year in each operation, does his total make him a big operation that Sen. Obama wants to tax? If so the owner would be smart to close down one or two stores, fire his employees in each and not pay rent to the landlords, who in turn would be filing a loss if unable to re-rent or be forced to sell the property etc. This is a snow ball going down hill. What is truly needed is to get the lower income better educated and the middle class able to hire these people and get them off WELFARE The larger corporations will higher more people if our tax structure keeps a tight look at why they should get tax breaks, they are manufacturing here, not over seas, and where the job calls for it, providing the option for medical coverage, thus getting tax breaks where they show figures for medical expenditure. Thes companies would even have to hire a few extra bookeepers to take care of required accounting for there taxes. This would turn the snow ball to go up the hill. It should be the workers choice regarding medical care except where the work they do is dangerous. Our
freedom of choice should be ours, not Sen. Obama or whomever become President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When figuring the small buiness income does Obama mean gross or net? Since he wants us to become Socialistic he needs to state how he comes to the limitation regarding small business and their figures. A group of five or six COFFEE STORES owned by one person may do $ 50,000.00 a year in each operation, does his total make him a big operation that Sen. Obama wants to tax? If so the owner would be smart to close down one or two stores, fire his employees in each and not pay rent to the landlords, who in turn would be filing a loss if unable to re-rent or be forced to sell the property etc. This is a snow ball going down hill. What is truly needed is to get the lower income better educated and the middle class able to hire these people and get them off WELFARE The larger corporations will higher more people if our tax structure keeps a tight look at why they should get tax breaks, they are manufacturing here, not over seas, and where the job calls for it, providing the option for medical coverage, thus getting tax breaks where they show figures for medical expenditure. Thes companies would even have to hire a few extra bookeepers to take care of required accounting for there taxes. This would turn the snow ball to go up the hill. It should be the workers choice regarding medical care except where the work they do is dangerous. Our<br />
freedom of choice should be ours, not Sen. Obama or whomever become President.</p>
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		<title>By: jane m</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle

The Roger Simon you cite is chief consultant for Politico while this site is written by Roger L Simon, mystery writer, award winning screenwriter and the CEO of PajamaMedia as the web site above states.  

Politico&#039;s Roger Simon is indeed embarrasingly an Obama apologist to the nth degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle</p>
<p>The Roger Simon you cite is chief consultant for Politico while this site is written by Roger L Simon, mystery writer, award winning screenwriter and the CEO of PajamaMedia as the web site above states.  </p>
<p>Politico&#8217;s Roger Simon is indeed embarrasingly an Obama apologist to the nth degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Aminoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Aminoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,  I will respond to your two questions.

Firstly, Republicans don&#039;t break America down into &quot;classes&quot;.  Definitions of the &quot;Middle Class&quot; are different for everyone.  McCain speaks in terms of Americans without class distinction.  I am sure that your definition of &quot;Middle Class&quot; might be different from mine, which would be different from any one else who commented on this board.

Whatever your definition of &quot;Middle Class&quot; is, Obama&#039;s policies would adversely affect the wealth and productivity of most Americans.  His plan to tax the rich&quot; and redistribute to the &quot;poor&quot; is not what America is about.  It is the agenda of the communist-mentored socialist that Obama is, however.

As far as oil companies are concerned.  Have you actually calculated the oil company profits in terms of return on invested capital?  You are looking at oil company profits in terms of absolute dollars, which is absurd.  Oil company&#039;s return on investment is low.  Lower than most tech companies.  The amount of capital needed by oil companies to explore fields, construct new oil rigs, pipelines, etc. is huge.  Most of the past twenty years the oil companies have been reinvesting profits back into capital investment in developing new sources.  By taking an additional $4 Billion from oil companies you reduce the ability of the oil companies to develop new resources and to create new jobs.  Those who are not in business fail to understand the dynamics of the velocity of capital.  Reducing capital of the oil companies and giving it to the government for entitlement programs hurts America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,  I will respond to your two questions.</p>
<p>Firstly, Republicans don&#8217;t break America down into &#8220;classes&#8221;.  Definitions of the &#8220;Middle Class&#8221; are different for everyone.  McCain speaks in terms of Americans without class distinction.  I am sure that your definition of &#8220;Middle Class&#8221; might be different from mine, which would be different from any one else who commented on this board.</p>
<p>Whatever your definition of &#8220;Middle Class&#8221; is, Obama&#8217;s policies would adversely affect the wealth and productivity of most Americans.  His plan to tax the rich&#8221; and redistribute to the &#8220;poor&#8221; is not what America is about.  It is the agenda of the communist-mentored socialist that Obama is, however.</p>
<p>As far as oil companies are concerned.  Have you actually calculated the oil company profits in terms of return on invested capital?  You are looking at oil company profits in terms of absolute dollars, which is absurd.  Oil company&#8217;s return on investment is low.  Lower than most tech companies.  The amount of capital needed by oil companies to explore fields, construct new oil rigs, pipelines, etc. is huge.  Most of the past twenty years the oil companies have been reinvesting profits back into capital investment in developing new sources.  By taking an additional $4 Billion from oil companies you reduce the ability of the oil companies to develop new resources and to create new jobs.  Those who are not in business fail to understand the dynamics of the velocity of capital.  Reducing capital of the oil companies and giving it to the government for entitlement programs hurts America.</p>
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		<title>By: glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m starting to think that John McCain had a good look at what&#039;s ahead in the world and decided to let someone else deal with it. I did the same thing in my career 7 years ago. Looking back it was exactly the right decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to think that John McCain had a good look at what&#8217;s ahead in the world and decided to let someone else deal with it. I did the same thing in my career 7 years ago. Looking back it was exactly the right decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightnin' Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightnin' Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rpfree is absolutely right about the polls. Most are heavily weighted in favor of Democrats. This race is much closer than these numbers are letting on. Karl Rove - the magnificent, unflappable bastard that he is - has repeatedly warned that Obama hasn&#039;t &quot;closed the sale.&quot; PUMA&#039;s like rpfree remember very well how he backed into the nomination, losing primary after primary at the end. 

The only numbers that matter are the vote count and the electoral outcomes on Election Night. 

Oh, and Christopher: The whole &#039;Joe the plumber&#039; episode illustrates perfectly what Obama is &quot;for.&quot; He&#039;s for wealth redistribution - that&#039;s the diplomatic name for it, anyway. The vast majority of &quot;small businesses&quot; rank well above Barry&#039;s 250K waterline. The people who work for these businesses make up a majority of the middle class you speak of, and under Obama&#039;s plan, they will be adversely affected in ways that will make people wistful for the economy of the late 70&#039;s by comparison.

19 days left. It ain&#039;t over till it&#039;s over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rpfree is absolutely right about the polls. Most are heavily weighted in favor of Democrats. This race is much closer than these numbers are letting on. Karl Rove &#8211; the magnificent, unflappable bastard that he is &#8211; has repeatedly warned that Obama hasn&#8217;t &#8220;closed the sale.&#8221; PUMA&#8217;s like rpfree remember very well how he backed into the nomination, losing primary after primary at the end. </p>
<p>The only numbers that matter are the vote count and the electoral outcomes on Election Night. </p>
<p>Oh, and Christopher: The whole &#8216;Joe the plumber&#8217; episode illustrates perfectly what Obama is &#8220;for.&#8221; He&#8217;s for wealth redistribution &#8211; that&#8217;s the diplomatic name for it, anyway. The vast majority of &#8220;small businesses&#8221; rank well above Barry&#8217;s 250K waterline. The people who work for these businesses make up a majority of the middle class you speak of, and under Obama&#8217;s plan, they will be adversely affected in ways that will make people wistful for the economy of the late 70&#8217;s by comparison.</p>
<p>19 days left. It ain&#8217;t over till it&#8217;s over.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how are you NOT boring and predictable? 

Isn&#039;t it a bit rhetorical and cynical to just accuse others of using rhetorical and cynical talking points?

I&#039;m not denying that Obama is what you say he is-- what McCain says resonates with me a lot, especially McCain&#039;s take on Joe Biden. However I have questions and reservations about McCain &amp; Co that I want answered, such as why he thinks our friends at ExxonMobil need billions in tax breaks when they have billions in profits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how are you NOT boring and predictable? </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it a bit rhetorical and cynical to just accuse others of using rhetorical and cynical talking points?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that Obama is what you say he is&#8211; what McCain says resonates with me a lot, especially McCain&#8217;s take on Joe Biden. However I have questions and reservations about McCain &amp; Co that I want answered, such as why he thinks our friends at ExxonMobil need billions in tax breaks when they have billions in profits?</p>
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		<title>By: rpfree</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

Roger didn&#039;t answer your questions because they are rhetorical and cynical, fill in your own blanks and amuse yourself. As a Hillary supporting PUMA voter I find you boring and predictable. I know very well what caring and fairness means for Obama.  He talks of middle class is cynical when one has his whole story and means of self advancement in proper perspective.  The behavior of Acorn, the voter fraud with clear complicity on the part of Obama is not new to me.  I witnessed what went on in the the Democratic Caucuses, Obama&#039;s guiding principles are the same as those he hangs with, Ayers, Wright, Rezco, etc.  You are wasting your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>Roger didn&#8217;t answer your questions because they are rhetorical and cynical, fill in your own blanks and amuse yourself. As a Hillary supporting PUMA voter I find you boring and predictable. I know very well what caring and fairness means for Obama.  He talks of middle class is cynical when one has his whole story and means of self advancement in proper perspective.  The behavior of Acorn, the voter fraud with clear complicity on the part of Obama is not new to me.  I witnessed what went on in the the Democratic Caucuses, Obama&#8217;s guiding principles are the same as those he hangs with, Ayers, Wright, Rezco, etc.  You are wasting your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, two things...

One: Are you suggesting that America&#039;s strength is not in its middle class? And follow-up, why is McCain&#039;s concern for the middle class genuine while Obama&#039;s is campaign BS?

Two: You still did not answer why oil companies making record profits need another 4 billion dollar tax break. Can&#039;t they keep on drilling with their own money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, two things&#8230;</p>
<p>One: Are you suggesting that America&#8217;s strength is not in its middle class? And follow-up, why is McCain&#8217;s concern for the middle class genuine while Obama&#8217;s is campaign BS?</p>
<p>Two: You still did not answer why oil companies making record profits need another 4 billion dollar tax break. Can&#8217;t they keep on drilling with their own money?</p>
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		<title>By: rpfree</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three or four undecideds after the debate say &quot;I am moving to Obama&quot;, the other 20 or so say &quot;I am still undecided&quot;, while another undecided says &quot;Obama won the debate but I not going to vote for him&quot; is followed by the moderator declaring &quot;a clear win for Obama&quot;.  Is it just me when when I am left scratching my head thinking &quot;a clear win for Obama?&quot;.  At some point true undecideds are either... &quot;change, whatever it may be&quot; or &quot;change, but play it safe&quot; (the devil I know).  

Look, I am a Hillary supporter voting McCain so in all candor I can only speak from my own perspective and the &quot;change, but play it safe&quot; is more my mentality.  As unenthusiastic much of McCain&#039;s support may seem, if people are still undecided after last night&#039;s debate then they will remain unenthusiastic for Obama as well.  True independents know McCain isn&#039;t Bush and aren&#039;t about to punish the GOP by potentially punishing themselves, McCain is the &quot;devil they know&quot;, which is definitely how I feel.

I think the real story is as Zogby said, &quot;Obama still hasn&#039;t closed the deal&quot;.  My theory is McCain will get the majority of the votes of those not sold on Obama.  I also because while only 9% happen to believe security and WOT is the top issue, let&#039;s not overlook the fact that it still remains on their list.  I live in Virginia and here is how they are weighing the polls here in Virginia...

2004 35%(D) 39%(R) 26%(I) +4 Republican
2006 36%(D) 39%(R) 26%(I) +3 Republican
2008 39%(D) 30%(R) 25%(I) +9 Democrat

Most battleground states are being weighed in like patterns, a 12 point swing in the electorate of Virginia in 2 years?  By the way in 2000 and 2004 Virgina the GOP won by about 8% points, someone is going to be very wrong this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three or four undecideds after the debate say &#8220;I am moving to Obama&#8221;, the other 20 or so say &#8220;I am still undecided&#8221;, while another undecided says &#8220;Obama won the debate but I not going to vote for him&#8221; is followed by the moderator declaring &#8220;a clear win for Obama&#8221;.  Is it just me when when I am left scratching my head thinking &#8220;a clear win for Obama?&#8221;.  At some point true undecideds are either&#8230; &#8220;change, whatever it may be&#8221; or &#8220;change, but play it safe&#8221; (the devil I know).  </p>
<p>Look, I am a Hillary supporter voting McCain so in all candor I can only speak from my own perspective and the &#8220;change, but play it safe&#8221; is more my mentality.  As unenthusiastic much of McCain&#8217;s support may seem, if people are still undecided after last night&#8217;s debate then they will remain unenthusiastic for Obama as well.  True independents know McCain isn&#8217;t Bush and aren&#8217;t about to punish the GOP by potentially punishing themselves, McCain is the &#8220;devil they know&#8221;, which is definitely how I feel.</p>
<p>I think the real story is as Zogby said, &#8220;Obama still hasn&#8217;t closed the deal&#8221;.  My theory is McCain will get the majority of the votes of those not sold on Obama.  I also because while only 9% happen to believe security and WOT is the top issue, let&#8217;s not overlook the fact that it still remains on their list.  I live in Virginia and here is how they are weighing the polls here in Virginia&#8230;</p>
<p>2004 35%(D) 39%(R) 26%(I) +4 Republican<br />
2006 36%(D) 39%(R) 26%(I) +3 Republican<br />
2008 39%(D) 30%(R) 25%(I) +9 Democrat</p>
<p>Most battleground states are being weighed in like patterns, a 12 point swing in the electorate of Virginia in 2 years?  By the way in 2000 and 2004 Virgina the GOP won by about 8% points, someone is going to be very wrong this year.</p>
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