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1. srlucado:

Of course that system isn’t socialism really but a chimera that allows the new class to function and profit without censorship or guilt.

Yep. Guilt will be reserved for those of us who fail to recognize the Glorious Leader and His Vision for the Shining Future. And being guilty, we must pay…and pay again.

After every socialist revolution comes the purge.

Scott

Oct 16, 2008 - 5:39 pm 2. david levavi:

If Mc Cain loses, nobody will be eating dog in November. Or December and maybe not even in January.

ACORN’s criminal activities have insured that the Republicans won’t accept a loss at the polls at face value. And confirming the legitimacy of well over a million newly registerd ACORN Democrats will not be as easily resolved as recounting hanging chads.

The Obama campaign has introduced racist mau mauing of opponents, thuggish intimidation of print and broadcast media, and massive voter fraud into this election. Through Obama and his supporters, Chicago gangster politics have been mainstreamed and nationalized.

Election day may be less decisive than it was four years ago. This election could end with rioting in the streets. And not just the usual all black rampage with policeman looking on until the Blacks get it out of their system.

There are some very angry White folks out there with an opposing point of view. They’re opposed to Socialism and sick and tired of being accused of racism and having their opinions suppressed by dishonest and tendentious journalists.

America’s first presidential candidate of color and his liberal white co-conspirators may yet get that discussion of race in America they crave. And America won’t be better for it.

Oct 16, 2008 - 5:48 pm 3. Lightnin' Hopkins:

Barack Obama’s “spread the wealth” statement may indeed begin to concentrate the minds of voters. Short of when the teleprompter goes out and he umms and ahhs for what seems like an eternity, this is as close to a gaffe as the MSM has allowed through the filter. For frequent political blog readers it’s just another example of who Obama is and how he (almost certainly) is likely to govern. For folks less dialed-in, who maybe read the paper on Sunday and still watch network news, it’s a veritable peek behind the curtain – and it could mark a turning point:

http://tinyurl.com/5htn29

The comments at the link were astroturfed with the usual shock and awe, natch.

Oct 16, 2008 - 6:27 pm 4. Anita Hope:

Today, Sen. Obama made a statement regarding the income of “Plumber’s”, how many make even close to the $ 250,000.00, well he might be surprised
in the economy of recent years. Check out the average house call charges plus parts etc. and if a business has a few employee’s and trucks, do the math.
It is very probable a business having 2-4 service technicians will bring in about 20 t0 21 thousand a month, averaging 7 t0 8 hundred a day x 26 days.
Usually they have one bookeeper or acct. and sometimes a family member does the books. Some work by the hr. and double overtime and weekends can
raise the figure. Sen. Obama, take a reality check on what small business’s you are basing your figures on and figure out how to re-establish the statements and promises you are making.

Oct 16, 2008 - 7:07 pm 5. Minerva:

Speaking of dogs, the conservatives who jumped ship probably believe, “Better a live dog than a dead lion.”

Oct 16, 2008 - 7:08 pm 6. Barry Dauphin:

Of course, Obama doesn’t know what plumbers make or are capable of making on the market. In many respects that’s the point.

Oct 16, 2008 - 7:21 pm 7. Barry Dauphin:

It’s interesting how worried the Obama supporters are with regard to Joe the plumber. Sullivan passes around anything that looks damaging, but he looks ridiculous as more information comes out.

Joe not his name, well actually it is (but certainly a plumber would never use his middle name); not a plumber, except of course that he is and the left defines legitimacy by means of state regulation (license) but they reveal ignorance of the very regulations they worship (the contractor has the license and the guys who work under him don’t have to be licensed); related to Charles Keating, well somewhere in there but if that counts for anything, then associations must matter (and I suppose the McCain camp planted the guy in his house some years ago expecting a future democratic candidate to come up to him in a spontaneous gesture). Owes taxes… yeah and he’ll owe a lot more under Obama (who doesn’t seem to have paid all of his own property taxes) Sully is to the point that because the guy is a plumber, he’ll try to find a connection to Nixon.

Oct 16, 2008 - 7:32 pm 8. Webrider:

Roger, you may have doubts about Obama’s level of socialism, but I sure don’t and fervently hope that the country wakes up from this love affair of being “fair” just because he’s black. His informative years are ALL from a socialist background, from Alinsky, through Frank Marshall Davis to Ayres. His “spread the wealth” was a simple freudian slip due to a lack of teleprompter to keep him on course (safely outlined by his handlers from Chicago.)

I really don’t anticipate a white rage in the streets, nor anything near it. What I expect with an Obama presidency is extreme testing by the factions in the rest of the world that can’t stand America’s premier position as the only legitimate superpower. Those would include Russia, and China on the upper end, and North Korea, Venezula, several Middle Eastern states, and various terror organizations like AlQueda. Nearly every new President (if not all, I’m not sure) is TESTED soon after ascendancy. Obama is the least prepared for leadership I have ever seen or read about and I’m 64 years old.

Many conservatives sat out the 2006 off year elections to “prove a point” to the Republicans about how unhappy they were with the way they abdicated their stewardship. McCain is absolutely right when he says “we came to change Washington, and it changed us”. To borrow a phrase from Obama’s fave preacher, “the chickens have come home to roost”. God (invoke the one of your choice) help us all.

Oct 16, 2008 - 8:10 pm 9. Quince:

Roger, you seem a thoughtful sort and so here’s something you may want to think about regarding Obama the Socialist:

The top contributors to the Obama campaign aren’t raggedy campus Trots, but rather–wait for it–the employees of Goldman Sachs collectively.

Yes, bundled together, by Sept. 28, 2008, the latest figures available, Goldman Sachs members or their families contributed $739,521 to Obama, making the firm the number one source of donors to the Obama campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. To be clear–Goldman Sachs did not make any contributions (that’s not allowed by federal law)– the money was from individuals connected to the firm. The CRP analysis is of contributions of $200 and more.

The sum does not include money raised by two major Obama fund-raisers: Bruce Heyman, an executive at the firm and James Johnson, a Goldman Sachs board member and former chairman and CEO of Fannie Mae. An April 18, 2007 Bloomberg News article about top campaign bundlers noted that Obama addressed the Goldman’s annual partners meeting in 2006 in Chicago.

In other words, the company that gave us Clinton’s Treasury Secretary AND Bush’s Treasury Secretary now gets to pick the President. Enjoy!

Oct 16, 2008 - 8:16 pm 10. Dee:

Roger-

Hope you are feeling better.

Thank you for the current explanation of the curse “May you live in interesting times.” This was one of my Dad’s favorite curses. He was a union leader in the 40’s and 50’s. He told me that it was a Chinese curse that I would understand as I grew older. I now understand. I believe he picked it up from either the Chinese workers in the local restaurants or railyards. I recently started using it alot but not as a curse as an explanation. The amazing thing is my girls understood immediately what I was saying.

Also, thank you for the link to the New Class link. I have ordered the book and will donate it to our library after we have read it.

If Obama wins, and I believe he will by hook or by crook, our rights will be under constant attack. And we will be living in very “interesting times.”

Oct 16, 2008 - 9:28 pm 11. Barrett:

A little over a year ago, I told my family that Obama was a socialist and have argued that point since. I appreciate the fact that Obama decided to bring clarity to the issue via his own clearly worded statement.

In the second debate, Obama made the comment about “money coming out of the system”. He views the taxing and spending/redistribution power of the federal government combined with his self-appointed sense of fairness as the center of society.

Please tell me one thing the government does well, other than confiscating our money. I cannot think of one thing. Even in one of those few areas where government must be involved such as national defense and law enforcement, the government is inefficient and grossly expensive.

As I understand it, the founders of America were opposed to income taxes. They knew that the American Revolution had been fought over taxation. They understood that the wealthiest members of society would always be a minority. They knew the risk exists that a majority may vote to take from the wealthy minority.

I think they also understood that the wealthy were responsible for taking business risk, making a profit and creating jobs in the process. Today it is called supply side economics.

Socialism defeats the very people Obama supposedly wants to help. Why put in the extra effort, if your partner – the government – is simply going to confiscate a material portion of your success? (As an aside, I say supposedly wants to help because I think Obama has disdain for middle or poor Americans who cling to their guns, religion and bitterness.) The creation of a permanent underclass that is fully dependent upon government fits Obama’s agenda of entrenching the Democrats in power. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

All McCain needs to do the next three weeks is tell Americans how Obama is a tax and spend liberal, using Obama’s own words to make the point, and how the government already takes too much of what people earn. He needs to tell folks that the pork-filled budget already exceeds $3 TRILLION and that he will work to keep money in the pockets of Americans who earned the money in part by beating back wasteful spending. He needs to tell people that they already work until late May before they begin to work for themselves and they will need to work until August in order to pay for Obama’s spending proposals.

Today, I posed the following to pre-teenage daughter. Would you work harder if you kept the majority of what you earned or if the government took half of what you earned? Which do you think is more fair? She thought keeping what you earned was both better and more fair.

The message is simple, would have lots of sound bites for the media and intuitively understood by everyone, including children, because it is right. Everyone is entitled to the fruits of their labor.

No to socialism in America!

Oct 16, 2008 - 10:06 pm 12. Walt:

“No to socialism in America!”

You should have shouted louder a few weeks ago before President Bush nationalized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Oct 16, 2008 - 10:42 pm 13. DougS:

Isn’t the McCain camp already using Joe the Plumber in commercials? If enough people see it, I think it will have a clarifying effect similar to the Paris Hilton spot. The Kossacks and other like-minded thugs are going after the poor fellow with abandon, so you know that they know this this issue will damage The One.

Spengler made an excellent point in his recent column about the symbolism of Gov. Palin when he said that America has never had peasants because out small farmers have always been entrepreneurial. The same is true of our urban tradespeople, I think. They don’t want to be wage slaves, they want to be small business owners, and even the guy who works by himself and goes around fixing air conditioners while his wife answers the phone is a small businessman. eBay has also created an entire class of small mail-order business owners.

Obama does not seem to understand that these people are the true heart of the American economy, and because of who they are, what they want and how they are pursuing their ambitions, they will never accept living in a socialist society. And I think that Joe the Plumber is a powerful symbol that will resonate with them — if McCain can get the message out.

Oct 16, 2008 - 10:51 pm 14. Elaine:

You made the point, Roger, that actual communism (as opposed to theoretical communism) is all about creating an elite class made up of political leaders, the media, artists, and sports figures which sets itself against everyone else.

Anyone who thinks communism is “fair” doesn’t understand the reality that Orwell did, that some pigs are more equal than others…

So either Obama isn’t nearly as smart as he and his supporters claim him to be, or he’s utterly disingenuous. Given the sheer volume of his lies, I’d be willing to suggest it’s the latter, but a case could be made for the former, I’m sure.

Oct 17, 2008 - 12:21 am 15. cfbleachers:

Roger, I guess I’m getting a little wistful these days, my grandfather has long since gone and my father as well. Perhaps it’s not so unnatural to call upon one’s ancestors for wisdom and strength, in times of chaos and turmoil. Native Americans and some ancient tribes of Asia and Africa have done this for centuries.

My grandfather believed in keeping an American flag flying in front of his home, all day, every day. He was given an opportunity, at the turn of the century, to help build a nation into an industrial symbol of strength. He spoke with a heavy accent of the old country, but he worked long and hard hours and thought that was proof of his opportunity, so he saluted the flag of his country and stood ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with his countrymen. He believed that to squander the opportunities afforded to such an immigrant family would be a family disgrace. He insisted that my father (and my father’s sisters) advance the family pride by being excellent students in school and productive members of society.

I guess when you help build something, you feel the pride of ownership in it.

My father, spoke with absolutely no accent. He was a young man fresh out of post graduate school when a war broke out that tested the resolve of mankind to fight evil with all their might and every ounce of courage they could muster. My father volunteered to serve and was assigned the rank of Lt. Commander. After twice being turned down for medical reasons, he insisted that he be allowed to to his part. It was a matter of honor that he serve his country and be allowed to defend his flag, his country and his countrymen. And it was imperative to him, that we “never forget”.

I guess when you help defend something, you feel the pride of allegiance to it.

He also insisted that I respect the opportunities that I was afforded. I was to take school as an opportunity not to be squandered. He also insisted that I go to school in an integrated neighborhood, because I was to learn to defend the rights of my countrymen, who all flew under the same flag as I did. In my grammar school, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every single day. I asked my father why we did this. He said it helped to reinforce our committment to the “united” portion, of our United States of America. It signaled out loud that we were behind the “us” in the US.

Today, we have a choice before us that causes me great conflict. It tears at the lessons instilled in me by my ancestors. A man wishes to be my President, our Commander in Chief, who gives me the opportunity to show that I stand behind the “us” in the U.S. in manner profoundly and historically significant, as no other vote has. I get to show that the son of an immigrant, whose loved ancestor spoke with an accent, and believed in education…is deserving to serve as my President.

My father donated half his practice to inner city handicapped kids. Substantially less money than in his private practice, but part of what he felt honored to give. He told me that they were part of the “us” too and deserved our love and attention. I believe in my ancestors and called upon them for wisdom and guidance.

And here is what came to me. A man who wishes to lead us under that flag that my grandfather flew and my father insisted on defending, the one I swore allegiance to every day…was called the “wrong kind” of patriotism, an embarrassment to wear on his lapel.

That flag, which was carried onto the beaches of Normandy to help free a continent and was carried into the death camps to turn off the ovens of mortal sin at Auschwitz, …was stepped on with dirty boots by the man who launched the political career of this candidate for President and Commander in Chief.

Stepped on. Ground his feet on it, for a picture and for the symbolism it reflected. While being quoted that this country makes him want to puke. William Ayers would matter to my ancestors, so William Ayers matters to me.

Every President I have ever witnessed give an address…Republican or Democrat…stood in front of that flag in every address to this nation. And he said God Bless America.

The man who would be my President, helped William Ayers institute an indoctrination in school children to learn to hate that flag. Helped to direct millions and millions and millions of dollars to fund that indoctrination of hatred of my flag.

And he also cleaved himself to a man who asked God to specifically NOT bless America, but to damn it. Jeremiah Wright would have mattered to my ancestors, Jeremiah Wright matters to me.

My ancestors said that college was my ticket to springboard my life to its greatest heights. That education at college was an honor and it should not be squandered as an opportunity. The man who wants to be my President and Commander in Chief was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis that college was a way to be compromised and not to believe in the greatness of America or the fraudulent notion of the land of opportunity, he literally spit on our flag. Frank Marshall Davis would have mattered to my ancestors, Frank Marshall Davis matters to me.

For all those men who died at Gettysburg fighting to free men they didn’t know, but who did so because of the “us” in the US flag, it must matter to me. For all those men who put an end to the horrors of Treblinka and Dachau, carrying that flag, it matters to me. To the men and their innocent dates at a dance at Ft. Dix who were the target of nail bombs, assembled to kill them for carrying that flag…by the despicable likes of Ayers and Dorhn, it matters to me.

I called upon my ancestors because I want to show that the color of the candidate matters not one whit in a foxhole, it should matter not one whit in the voting booth. They sent me to an integrated school to be in a foxhole with everyone under our same flag. They lived a life of acceptance and brotherhood. I was to defend with my life every American, Christian or Jew, white, brown, yellow, red or black, male or female, straight or gay.

If I did not vote for this man, would I betray my ancestors teachings. This is an historic opportunity for our country, the foxhole takes in anyone willing to stand shoulder to shoulder as brothers. We believe in that, don’t we, Dad? Gramps?

Yet, when a man asks to lead you and is ashamed to wear it on his lapel, when his closest lifelong confidantes swear allegiance to another “flag”, when they say your countrymen are mean, bitter, and unworthy…how many signs and signals do you need to see there is no “us” in their US?

When a man’s army spits on your flag, stomps his dirty boots on it, desecrates it, defames it, asks God to tear it asunder…how many signs and signals do you need to recognize your obligation to defend it? When they attempt to indoctrinate schoolchildren into hating America, and misdirect millions of dollars in funds to do so, how many signs and signals does it take to stand up and be counted?

I asked my ancestors for guidance and they called down the answer. Under his command, the color that matters is this…what color is the flag his men carry? Which one do they salute? Which one do they honor and swear allegiance to? If it’s yours, no other color matters. You MUST bring all your resources to bear to elevate him as your leader.

If it is not, and you do not defend yours…then why did you Pledge Allegiance to it beginning as a boy in grammar school, if you won’t defend it? Why did we fly it, if you will not defend it? Why did we volunteer to serve under it, if you will not defend it? It was preserved for you, now stand up and preserve it for those who come behind you.

Oct 17, 2008 - 1:01 am 16. Anita Hope:

cfbleachers,

May your letter above be heard loud and clear across this nation for the next three weeks and become part of required reading in all our schools in the “US”. Your family is the fiber & strength of this country, and you are so right, the greatness of America was built by men & women “a rainbow of color”, and we must not let their struggle be for not. We must continue to rid contamination of
“Freedom” by those educated to turn our country in to a Socialist one, before it is to late. Cut the sick branches before the tree dies and watch the tree come back to a healthy beautiful strong one.
Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Oct 17, 2008 - 2:59 am 17. HardHeadedWoman:

cfbleachers what you wrote is moving, thoughtful and true. I wish it were on the front page of every newspaper in America and read on every news program. I, too, am thankful for your brave ancestors, and mine, and thank God for them every night before I sleep.

Oct 17, 2008 - 6:03 am 18. david levavi:

Webrider:

…I really don’t anticipate a white rage in the streets…

Nor do I, in truth. White Americans aren’t in the habit of rioting.

But I had a a chat with a duck hunter the weekend before last. Beaching his canoe and unloading shotguns and gear along with his teenage son just after first light. A liberal urban sophisticate’s definition of Joe Sixpack. We chatted about the election in the honest manner of strangers meeting in the woods. His anger was focused and palpable.

The fear of Obama winning is that the political pendulum will swing way left. Scary but not nearly as scary as the equally wide return swing to the right that will surely follow.

Black rage doesn’t frighten me. It’s temporarily destructive but finally nothing more than unfocused and powerless energy expenditure. The reactionary rage of hard-working Whites feeling themselves scanted and robbed by well-heeled White socialists elites and their Black proteges and surrogates terrifies me.

The best course for the nation has always been middle of the road. I have three children in their twenties. I’d like for them not to live in the interesting times followed by even more interesting times that an Obama presidency guarantees.

Oct 17, 2008 - 6:07 am 19. Barrett:

Walt,

I shouted as loudly as I could. I wrote my Senators and President Bush. I even outlined alternative proposals to the TARP plan as long as one year ago.

I work in New York in corporate banking for a major multi-national firm. I know the issues, root causes, who is to blame and who was complicit in this mess.

Let’s just hope that the recovery from this recession is a “V” versus a “U” or and “L”.

America will pay for generations to come under an Obama administration with a Democratic Congress and a socialistic agenda. The economy and life in general will suffer long-term damage.

Again, no to socialism in America. I hope you think and feel the same way.

Oct 17, 2008 - 6:50 am 20. belloscm:

“The reactionary rage of hard-working Whites feeling themselves scanted and robbed by well-heeled White socialists elites and their Black proteges and surrogates terrifies me.”

How so, David? You wouldn’t be alluding to a possible wide-spread return of white reactionaries such as the Klan, would you? Hmmm… Joe Six-Pack draped in pima cotton and carrying a 12 gauge. Interesting.

Can Obama confiscate the 12 gauges before working class white rage reaches critical mass?

Oct 17, 2008 - 11:57 am 21. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”The Obama campaign has introduced racist mau mauing of opponents, thuggish intimidation of print and broadcast media, and massive voter fraud into this election. Through Obama and his supporters, Chicago gangster politics have been mainstreamed and nationalized. “”"”"”"”

The documentary, “Silenced 2008″ tells us that the Obama folks have been honing their thuggish, illegitimate skills for some time:

http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/

An excerpt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU

They appear to be the creepiest, nastiest major political force to hit this country since the 19th century, and they seem to have no scruples.

We will be living in even more interesting times after Nov. 4, and not just if Obama wins. If he loses, there’ll be a lot of fireworks. If he wins, well . . . we shall see, but I’m not optimistic.

Oct 17, 2008 - 2:27 pm 22. david levavi:

belloscm:

Missed the humor entirely on first reading. Not to worry, though. I got it second time around. Pima cotton refers to Klan sheeting. Gosh, I’m so dense, sometimes.

When I was growing up, conformity was the big word. Beatniks were hip non-conformists. My parents’ generation and anyone in authority was square and conformist.

If beatniks were left or liberal I never heard about it. Nor did I hear members of my parents’ generation described as conservative.

The word conformity has fallen out of favor as a social identifier. Beatniks were replaced by hippies, the sixties came and went and the hippies eventually matured into yuppies.

Conformity today is liberal and leftist. Monyed, comfortable, full bellied liberal leftists are the modern elite. Joe Sixpack in full camo with shotgun in hand and assortment of plastic and wooden duckcalls around his neck is non-conformist.

If you want to amuse yourself with odd imagery, Belloscm, imagine a right wing civil rights movement. Imagine the upheavals of the sixties with Joe Sixpack playing Abbey Hoffman. I’ll leave the Weatherman, The Black Panthers, Ayers and Dohrn for you to fill in on your own.

Couldn’t happen? Dream on Belloscm. It’s pendulum. Swings this way and that. And does damage.

Oct 17, 2008 - 3:02 pm 23. david levavi:

belloscm:
…Can Obama confiscate the 12 gauges before working class white rage reaches critical mass..

Forgive my beating a dead horse but I overlooked your flip closing.

The Second Amendment is an urban vs rural issue. People living in cities are utterly tone deaf to the importance that country folk place on gun rights.

A serious attempt to outlaw firearms would result in a bloody nationwide civil war. That aint over-the-top conjecture, Belloscm. That’s cold reality. No joking.

Oct 17, 2008 - 3:42 pm 24. Walt:

Barrett,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

My view: No to nationalization of private industries!

Oct 18, 2008 - 11:27 am

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