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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/11/15/raymond-chandler-revisited-the-fires-are-back/#comment-102447</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Wind - wonderful story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Wind &#8211; wonderful story.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those following this thread a bit of good news: Temperatures are expected to fall over the next few days, and the winds are shifting to out of the west. Rain is also expected, and the hope is we&#039;re switching over to the late autumn weather pattern now.

BTW, if you hear anybody on the news say that you&#039;re seeing atypical weather from southern California, they&#039;re idiots. Not having Santa Anas this time of year in southern California is what would be atypical.

Stay safe, and get your furnace cleaned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those following this thread a bit of good news: Temperatures are expected to fall over the next few days, and the winds are shifting to out of the west. Rain is also expected, and the hope is we&#8217;re switching over to the late autumn weather pattern now.</p>
<p>BTW, if you hear anybody on the news say that you&#8217;re seeing atypical weather from southern California, they&#8217;re idiots. Not having Santa Anas this time of year in southern California is what would be atypical.</p>
<p>Stay safe, and get your furnace cleaned.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicktor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a current resident of LA... no, it&#039;s not worth it.  Not by a long shot.

Maybe for the old folks; but ask anyone young, with no old family attachments, and who&#039;s live here less than 5 years (moved in since the housing boom where we stand no chance of ever owning a home if we actually DO have a family and aren&#039;t independently wealthy).

Time to go see if I can get transferred to CO... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a current resident of LA&#8230; no, it&#8217;s not worth it.  Not by a long shot.</p>
<p>Maybe for the old folks; but ask anyone young, with no old family attachments, and who&#8217;s live here less than 5 years (moved in since the housing boom where we stand no chance of ever owning a home if we actually DO have a family and aren&#8217;t independently wealthy).</p>
<p>Time to go see if I can get transferred to CO&#8230; <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RedneckJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedneckJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After having moved to Oregon seven years ago, I now know why people stay in California. The things I miss are not made up for (bad grammar, I know), in this intellectual waste-land. What I miss are real Reuben sandwiches, Hollywood Bowl, Greek Theater, In-n-Out Burgers, Torrance, good weather (even Santa Ana winds), and intelligent people. Oregon is full of morons who truly believe they are smart. I give you Gus van Stant and Matt Goerning, who are the most overrated. Plus, in California, I was never afraid to announce my conservative Republican beliefs, but here I know I will be treated as though I announced I have small-pox. In SoCal, such an announcement is merely the fore-play to a spirited debate. Here your life will be threatened. Although I must say, the gay reaction to Prop 8 defeat is very Oregon like. Stay in California; you will miss it when you leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After having moved to Oregon seven years ago, I now know why people stay in California. The things I miss are not made up for (bad grammar, I know), in this intellectual waste-land. What I miss are real Reuben sandwiches, Hollywood Bowl, Greek Theater, In-n-Out Burgers, Torrance, good weather (even Santa Ana winds), and intelligent people. Oregon is full of morons who truly believe they are smart. I give you Gus van Stant and Matt Goerning, who are the most overrated. Plus, in California, I was never afraid to announce my conservative Republican beliefs, but here I know I will be treated as though I announced I have small-pox. In SoCal, such an announcement is merely the fore-play to a spirited debate. Here your life will be threatened. Although I must say, the gay reaction to Prop 8 defeat is very Oregon like. Stay in California; you will miss it when you leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanthippe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandler was correct.  It&#039;s &quot;Santa Ana&quot; winds but pronounced &quot;Santana&quot; (as the last a in Santa is run together with the first a in Ana), named for Santa Ana Canyon.

At least, that&#039;s what I was told growing up in the 60s.

I&#039;m a little surprised not that people live in the hills that burn, but that people don&#039;t put in some sort of cleared buffer between the neighborhoods and the chapparal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandler was correct.  It&#8217;s &#8220;Santa Ana&#8221; winds but pronounced &#8220;Santana&#8221; (as the last a in Santa is run together with the first a in Ana), named for Santa Ana Canyon.</p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s what I was told growing up in the 60s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised not that people live in the hills that burn, but that people don&#8217;t put in some sort of cleared buffer between the neighborhoods and the chapparal.</p>
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		<title>By: Promoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Promoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn Roger we need a grammar check.</description>
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		<title>By: Promoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Promoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Alan, You&#039;re right there&#039;s always a first time. I since it hasn&#039;t happened I can&#039;t argue whether or not it will never happen.   I certainly would have  thought it might have happened within the past 30 years since there would have been a lot more open space in the basin to burn.   It&#039;s burning where folks went to built, not where the Los Angeles basin is.  I don&#039;t foresee a burning from one end of the San Fernando Valley to the other end.   Nor do I see it happening from the basin of East Los Angeles to West Los Angeles.  It&#039;s all called the basin.

But like you said who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Alan, You&#8217;re right there&#8217;s always a first time. I since it hasn&#8217;t happened I can&#8217;t argue whether or not it will never happen.   I certainly would have  thought it might have happened within the past 30 years since there would have been a lot more open space in the basin to burn.   It&#8217;s burning where folks went to built, not where the Los Angeles basin is.  I don&#8217;t foresee a burning from one end of the San Fernando Valley to the other end.   Nor do I see it happening from the basin of East Los Angeles to West Los Angeles.  It&#8217;s all called the basin.</p>
<p>But like you said who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promoguy, #34

There&#039;s always the first time.

During our fires last year there was one that touched off a house in the Spring Valley community south-east of where I&#039;m at now. One truck showed up and put it out. One truck, which was all they had in reserve.

The wind was turning, the humidity rising, the temperatures falling. People in the neighborhood turned out and poured what water they could through garden houses on the flames. We had just enough to put that house fire out and keep the wild fire that sparked it from spreading. We got lucky.

We almost lost all outside electricity. Our roads and highways were nearly cut off. We were facing the possibility of a massive urban fire marching down Spring Valley to the harbor and spreading from there.

Now it&#039;s the LA Basin&#039;s turn. You talk about how fires just don&#039;t spread into urban areas in the LA Basin. That&#039;s the thing, it&#039;s not that the fires might spread into the urban areas, it&#039;s that the urban areas have spread into where the fires happen. You get inland temperatures of 100 degrees, sixty mile an hour easterlies coming down off the hills, and 10% relative humidity, damn right you&#039;re going to see fires blazing where they&#039;ve never blazed before.

In short Promoguy, the past aint never been prologue to the future, it aint even a vague hint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promoguy, #34</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always the first time.</p>
<p>During our fires last year there was one that touched off a house in the Spring Valley community south-east of where I&#8217;m at now. One truck showed up and put it out. One truck, which was all they had in reserve.</p>
<p>The wind was turning, the humidity rising, the temperatures falling. People in the neighborhood turned out and poured what water they could through garden houses on the flames. We had just enough to put that house fire out and keep the wild fire that sparked it from spreading. We got lucky.</p>
<p>We almost lost all outside electricity. Our roads and highways were nearly cut off. We were facing the possibility of a massive urban fire marching down Spring Valley to the harbor and spreading from there.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s the LA Basin&#8217;s turn. You talk about how fires just don&#8217;t spread into urban areas in the LA Basin. That&#8217;s the thing, it&#8217;s not that the fires might spread into the urban areas, it&#8217;s that the urban areas have spread into where the fires happen. You get inland temperatures of 100 degrees, sixty mile an hour easterlies coming down off the hills, and 10% relative humidity, damn right you&#8217;re going to see fires blazing where they&#8217;ve never blazed before.</p>
<p>In short Promoguy, the past aint never been prologue to the future, it aint even a vague hint.</p>
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		<title>By: PC14</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved to North San Diego county in 1971 and there were old sections of Carlsbad, Vista, Encinitas and Escondido that sort of reminded me of Chandler. The homes were on 1/2 acre lots, small cottages with separate, single car garages...pride of ownership evident everywhere--perennials planted, bouganvilla covering the chain link fences, grass always green and mowed and cars in the garage.

By the mid 80&#039;s, ALL those areas were ruined. There is nothing quaint anymore, just seedy and trashy, cars on blocks in the driveways, brown-weed, front lawns, rotted porches, multiple families living in the house and the garage.

Having recently retired, I would have loved to be able to trade down to one those homes---no HOA fees, no Mello-Roos(gotta be from California to know what that is)and low utility bills. Actually, because there are no HOA fees and hence no CC&amp;Rs to possible modify the decay, contributes to the problem.

With increased illegal immigration, other areas will eventually go barrio, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved to North San Diego county in 1971 and there were old sections of Carlsbad, Vista, Encinitas and Escondido that sort of reminded me of Chandler. The homes were on 1/2 acre lots, small cottages with separate, single car garages&#8230;pride of ownership evident everywhere&#8211;perennials planted, bouganvilla covering the chain link fences, grass always green and mowed and cars in the garage.</p>
<p>By the mid 80&#8217;s, ALL those areas were ruined. There is nothing quaint anymore, just seedy and trashy, cars on blocks in the driveways, brown-weed, front lawns, rotted porches, multiple families living in the house and the garage.</p>
<p>Having recently retired, I would have loved to be able to trade down to one those homes&#8212;no HOA fees, no Mello-Roos(gotta be from California to know what that is)and low utility bills. Actually, because there are no HOA fees and hence no CC&amp;Rs to possible modify the decay, contributes to the problem.</p>
<p>With increased illegal immigration, other areas will eventually go barrio, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the L.A. freeways, but what I miss no longer exists. When we visit we&#039;re newly boggled by the congestion. It regularly took us 1 hr. + to commute from Glendale to Beverly Hills (an 11 mile drive, believe it or not). San Berdoo...man I miss that! Used to drive that to visit a friend. Not too far out of West L.A. is a whole &#039;nother world! (Those of us who rarely crossed La Cienega were really living in a cocoon.)

Once in a while I can do 120 on the NY State Thruway. It&#039;s not the same. Actually I used to get up to 90 on occasion on Wilshire between Westwood and B.H. ;-) I live to break speed limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the L.A. freeways, but what I miss no longer exists. When we visit we&#8217;re newly boggled by the congestion. It regularly took us 1 hr. + to commute from Glendale to Beverly Hills (an 11 mile drive, believe it or not). San Berdoo&#8230;man I miss that! Used to drive that to visit a friend. Not too far out of West L.A. is a whole &#8216;nother world! (Those of us who rarely crossed La Cienega were really living in a cocoon.)</p>
<p>Once in a while I can do 120 on the NY State Thruway. It&#8217;s not the same. Actually I used to get up to 90 on occasion on Wilshire between Westwood and B.H. <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I live to break speed limits.</p>
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