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		<title>By: gippergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>gippergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inconsistencies of these people does not persuade me to take their arguments seriously. The leftist illuminati are hardly taking pains to even appear consistent these days. But what legislator is going to call out the heads of companies that keep the UAW afloat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inconsistencies of these people does not persuade me to take their arguments seriously. The leftist illuminati are hardly taking pains to even appear consistent these days. But what legislator is going to call out the heads of companies that keep the UAW afloat?</p>
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		<title>By: hermie</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said, &#039;I do not care for it&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said, &#8216;I do not care for it&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: hermie</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the development (or non-development) of &#039;green&#039; cars, I do not care when the government champions a particular concept and throws billions of dollars at it, while practically snubbing alternatives to the alternatives. 

Case in point: The favoritism of government for compact fluros, to even writing laws that do away the the reliable incandescent, and structuring lighting requirements that do not take into account the growing and improving  LED industry. Those who manufacture and sell compact fluros have been given a near monopoly, even though their light is quite honestly...crappy, and their mercury content adds an environmental hazard that has not been addressed.

BTW...Is a &#039;green&#039; car really &#039;environmentally friendly&#039;? Electric cars need to get their electricity from a coal or oil-fired power plant (Unless you have a couple of thousand acres of solar panels at max capacity handy.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the development (or non-development) of &#8216;green&#8217; cars, I do not care when the government champions a particular concept and throws billions of dollars at it, while practically snubbing alternatives to the alternatives. </p>
<p>Case in point: The favoritism of government for compact fluros, to even writing laws that do away the the reliable incandescent, and structuring lighting requirements that do not take into account the growing and improving  LED industry. Those who manufacture and sell compact fluros have been given a near monopoly, even though their light is quite honestly&#8230;crappy, and their mercury content adds an environmental hazard that has not been addressed.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;Is a &#8216;green&#8217; car really &#8216;environmentally friendly&#8217;? Electric cars need to get their electricity from a coal or oil-fired power plant (Unless you have a couple of thousand acres of solar panels at max capacity handy.).</p>
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		<title>By: Locomotive Breath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Locomotive Breath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a really large far flung company where there is a lot of necessary executive travel with multiple passengers per flight, it is, in fact, cost effective for the company to operate what amounts to a small airline. Do you really think that it&#039;s the best use of time for the head of a company like GM to get to the airport an hour and a half early to go through security? Or to be standing around waiting for his luggage to come out at baggage claim?

Given how well Congress has been run, this Congressman really has no standing to talk about wasteful spending. What this really is, is Congressional grandstanding without any attempt to actually solve the problem.

Anti-trust law prevents the heads of the big three automakers from being alone together at any time or most other forms of private contact. They might be conspiring to fix prices, etc. Sharing a flight would be out of the question. See what inefficiency results from stupid government rules?

For the record, my opinion is the big 3 should not receive a dime of taxpayer money. They should just bite the bullet and go Chapter 11 and get rid of the UAW contracts that are killing their cost structure in comparison to the Japanese car companies who are successfully building cars in the U.S. with American workers. This is not an automaker bailout, it is a UAW bailout. Once you understand that, the behavior of the Dems is perfectly clear.

&quot;American Axle CEO Richard Dauch was awarded an $8.5 million bonus for defeating the three-month strike by 3,650 auto workers and successfully imposing deep wage and benefit cuts on the company’s hourly workforce.&quot;

Works for me. American Axle may have a chance to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a really large far flung company where there is a lot of necessary executive travel with multiple passengers per flight, it is, in fact, cost effective for the company to operate what amounts to a small airline. Do you really think that it&#8217;s the best use of time for the head of a company like GM to get to the airport an hour and a half early to go through security? Or to be standing around waiting for his luggage to come out at baggage claim?</p>
<p>Given how well Congress has been run, this Congressman really has no standing to talk about wasteful spending. What this really is, is Congressional grandstanding without any attempt to actually solve the problem.</p>
<p>Anti-trust law prevents the heads of the big three automakers from being alone together at any time or most other forms of private contact. They might be conspiring to fix prices, etc. Sharing a flight would be out of the question. See what inefficiency results from stupid government rules?</p>
<p>For the record, my opinion is the big 3 should not receive a dime of taxpayer money. They should just bite the bullet and go Chapter 11 and get rid of the UAW contracts that are killing their cost structure in comparison to the Japanese car companies who are successfully building cars in the U.S. with American workers. This is not an automaker bailout, it is a UAW bailout. Once you understand that, the behavior of the Dems is perfectly clear.</p>
<p>&#8220;American Axle CEO Richard Dauch was awarded an $8.5 million bonus for defeating the three-month strike by 3,650 auto workers and successfully imposing deep wage and benefit cuts on the company’s hourly workforce.&#8221;</p>
<p>Works for me. American Axle may have a chance to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The executive class at all of the big three haven’t been there that long. It takes a lot of time to turn around a large company, and they were on the right track until the gas crisis and credit crash hit in the same year. Blaming them for all of the problems is like blaming Donovan McNabb for losing a game in 1983. Regarding the unions, however, I admit you have a point.&lt;/i&gt;

No, its more like Donovan McNabb not knowing that NFL games can end in a tie. When you are in overtime, like the auto industry has been since 1985, you have to know your time is limited. Chapter 11 does not put the employees out of work. It lets the company restructure the lethal contracts that force them to design a car, then take 1500 dollars out of it to match the price of the competing Honda or Toyota. 

We just bought a flex fuel Tahoe because my wife likes SUVs and we can afford the gas. The auto industry should be willing to do what they have to and that means Chapter 11, to get competitive again. Begging for a bailout went out with British Leyland. Read Bob Zubrin&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The executive class at all of the big three haven’t been there that long. It takes a lot of time to turn around a large company, and they were on the right track until the gas crisis and credit crash hit in the same year. Blaming them for all of the problems is like blaming Donovan McNabb for losing a game in 1983. Regarding the unions, however, I admit you have a point.</i></p>
<p>No, its more like Donovan McNabb not knowing that NFL games can end in a tie. When you are in overtime, like the auto industry has been since 1985, you have to know your time is limited. Chapter 11 does not put the employees out of work. It lets the company restructure the lethal contracts that force them to design a car, then take 1500 dollars out of it to match the price of the competing Honda or Toyota. </p>
<p>We just bought a flex fuel Tahoe because my wife likes SUVs and we can afford the gas. The auto industry should be willing to do what they have to and that means Chapter 11, to get competitive again. Begging for a bailout went out with British Leyland. Read Bob Zubrin&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this from a supplier to the big three

American Axle CEO Richard Dauch was awarded an $8.5 million bonus for defeating the three-month strike by 3,650 auto workers and successfully imposing deep wage and benefit cuts on the company’s hourly workforce. 

I wonder what kind of quality product is coming from the motivated workforce they have there now. I own a small business and am disgusted by these actions. Enriching himself while cutting the workers wages in half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this from a supplier to the big three</p>
<p>American Axle CEO Richard Dauch was awarded an $8.5 million bonus for defeating the three-month strike by 3,650 auto workers and successfully imposing deep wage and benefit cuts on the company’s hourly workforce. </p>
<p>I wonder what kind of quality product is coming from the motivated workforce they have there now. I own a small business and am disgusted by these actions. Enriching himself while cutting the workers wages in half.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony V...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony V...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Almost all commentators are predicting that this 25 billion is just the tip of a sinking iceberg.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s right - commentators.  Not auto analysts, economists, or anyone else that might know something about the auto industry.  Just people with pre-conceived notions about American autos that are based on what they knew back in 1975.  Times have changed since then.

&lt;i&gt;there is a damn good argument for sorting this out in the bankruptcy courts&lt;/i&gt;

Except for all of the bad arguments, like those of us who live here, but are not directly connected with the auto industry.  Or those who are indirectly connected, who depend on that auto industry.  Just what did we do to deserve this other than stay living where we were born?

&lt;i&gt;and getting rid of a corrupt and inept executive class and bloated unions and starting over with something more modern and tech savvy.&lt;/i&gt;

The executive class at all of the big three haven&#039;t been there that long.  It takes a lot of time to turn around a large company, and they were on the right track until the gas crisis and credit crash hit in the same year.  Blaming them for all of the problems is like blaming Donovan McNabb for losing a game in 1983.  Regarding the unions, however, I admit you have a point.

Government caused the oil shocks - not enough domestic drilling, multiple blends of gasoline (thanks to you Californians), not enough refinery capcity, among others.  And government caused the credit crisis thanks to the CRA and Fan &amp; Fred.  And government caused market shake-ups by forcing CAFE standards on the big three and causing them to lose money selling small cars.  Government ought to help them since they&#039;re the main cause of this in the first place.

The auto industry shutting down would idle millions of workers.  The banking industry crisis idled what - 25,000 workers?  Come on.  The misinformation being spread around the rest of the country concerning the big three is amazing.

TV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Almost all commentators are predicting that this 25 billion is just the tip of a sinking iceberg.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s right &#8211; commentators.  Not auto analysts, economists, or anyone else that might know something about the auto industry.  Just people with pre-conceived notions about American autos that are based on what they knew back in 1975.  Times have changed since then.</p>
<p><i>there is a damn good argument for sorting this out in the bankruptcy courts</i></p>
<p>Except for all of the bad arguments, like those of us who live here, but are not directly connected with the auto industry.  Or those who are indirectly connected, who depend on that auto industry.  Just what did we do to deserve this other than stay living where we were born?</p>
<p><i>and getting rid of a corrupt and inept executive class and bloated unions and starting over with something more modern and tech savvy.</i></p>
<p>The executive class at all of the big three haven&#8217;t been there that long.  It takes a lot of time to turn around a large company, and they were on the right track until the gas crisis and credit crash hit in the same year.  Blaming them for all of the problems is like blaming Donovan McNabb for losing a game in 1983.  Regarding the unions, however, I admit you have a point.</p>
<p>Government caused the oil shocks &#8211; not enough domestic drilling, multiple blends of gasoline (thanks to you Californians), not enough refinery capcity, among others.  And government caused the credit crisis thanks to the CRA and Fan &amp; Fred.  And government caused market shake-ups by forcing CAFE standards on the big three and causing them to lose money selling small cars.  Government ought to help them since they&#8217;re the main cause of this in the first place.</p>
<p>The auto industry shutting down would idle millions of workers.  The banking industry crisis idled what &#8211; 25,000 workers?  Come on.  The misinformation being spread around the rest of the country concerning the big three is amazing.</p>
<p>TV</p>
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		<title>By: JGAlt, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JGAlt, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t bitch about the automakers flying private jets when Botox Pelosi can&#039;t be bothered to fly even on a G5...she needs a big airliner to fly her and her posse to San Fransisco each weekend.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t bitch about the automakers flying private jets when Botox Pelosi can&#8217;t be bothered to fly even on a G5&#8230;she needs a big airliner to fly her and her posse to San Fransisco each weekend&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger
You are right, the auto industry needs new young blood to redesign from the inside out regarding the technology of the cars and the same regarding 
management. Since when do we let the beggars give us orders on who will run the ship, we should be in the drivers seat regarding dispersng funds and 
one of the stipulations is they all retire with what they have in their bank accounts but no more bonuses for any of them. If they refuse to step down, then
let them go on a hunting trip to find the capital they need. Maybe China would help out the Buick devision, it is their favorite car. Congress is in the position to demand coopration and removal of all the dead weight in the industry. Also, right here in Pasadena we have one of the best Auto Design School&#039;s in the US, and we would be back in the game with an American made/ designed auto industry. Imagine starting up our steel factories in the northern cities and retooling for lighter but stronger material&#039;s and getting the union&#039;s might not be so difficult to co-operate seeing the protential. 
It is all the worker&#039;s connected with the Auto Industry we must save, not the upper management  &amp; CEO&#039;S, they are all replaceable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger<br />
You are right, the auto industry needs new young blood to redesign from the inside out regarding the technology of the cars and the same regarding<br />
management. Since when do we let the beggars give us orders on who will run the ship, we should be in the drivers seat regarding dispersng funds and<br />
one of the stipulations is they all retire with what they have in their bank accounts but no more bonuses for any of them. If they refuse to step down, then<br />
let them go on a hunting trip to find the capital they need. Maybe China would help out the Buick devision, it is their favorite car. Congress is in the position to demand coopration and removal of all the dead weight in the industry. Also, right here in Pasadena we have one of the best Auto Design School&#8217;s in the US, and we would be back in the game with an American made/ designed auto industry. Imagine starting up our steel factories in the northern cities and retooling for lighter but stronger material&#8217;s and getting the union&#8217;s might not be so difficult to co-operate seeing the protential.<br />
It is all the worker&#8217;s connected with the Auto Industry we must save, not the upper management  &amp; CEO&#8217;S, they are all replaceable.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger L Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger L Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we really want as a nation to get out of that market?&quot;

No, but they way we were doing it, we were headed out of it anyway.  We need genuine innovation, not the same old, same old.  Think Silicon Valley, not Detroit.  Barney Frank,ironically, is the most old fashioned thinker around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we really want as a nation to get out of that market?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but they way we were doing it, we were headed out of it anyway.  We need genuine innovation, not the same old, same old.  Think Silicon Valley, not Detroit.  Barney Frank,ironically, is the most old fashioned thinker around.</p>
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