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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2008/11/24/the-holocaust-revisited-macconnell-on-buchanan/#comment-102681</link>
		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to second the preview request (all over the site please) and also maybe upgrade a little so we can blockquote, italicize, etc.
I discovered with my Shirer quote above that setting up a post on another page and pasting it in doesn&#039;t carry over the finer features.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to second the preview request (all over the site please) and also maybe upgrade a little so we can blockquote, italicize, etc.<br />
I discovered with my Shirer quote above that setting up a post on another page and pasting it in doesn&#8217;t carry over the finer features.</p>
<p>And Happy Thanksgiving everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, &quot;purports&quot;, not &quot;puports&quot; - Roger, when are you going to get preview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, &#8220;purports&#8221;, not &#8220;puports&#8221; &#8211; Roger, when are you going to get preview?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then, he took up the John Demianiuk case. Turns out he was right.&quot;

No he wasn&#039;t.  It was never proven whether or not Demjanjuk was the alleged concentration camp villain &quot;Ivan the Terrible&quot;, but it *was* proven beyond any doubt that he had lied about his service to the Nazis when he entered the country and therefore gained his citizenship under false pretenses.

This is particularly hypocritical for Buchanan who is puports to be so xenophobically anti-immigrant.  Apparently his &quot;nuanced&quot; view on illegal immigration is zero tolerance and immediate deportation - unless he thinks that someway, somewhere, somehow you might have murdered some innocent Jewish men, women and children.  Then he wants to roll out the welcome wagon with a brass band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then, he took up the John Demianiuk case. Turns out he was right.&#8221;</p>
<p>No he wasn&#8217;t.  It was never proven whether or not Demjanjuk was the alleged concentration camp villain &#8220;Ivan the Terrible&#8221;, but it *was* proven beyond any doubt that he had lied about his service to the Nazis when he entered the country and therefore gained his citizenship under false pretenses.</p>
<p>This is particularly hypocritical for Buchanan who is puports to be so xenophobically anti-immigrant.  Apparently his &#8220;nuanced&#8221; view on illegal immigration is zero tolerance and immediate deportation &#8211; unless he thinks that someway, somewhere, somehow you might have murdered some innocent Jewish men, women and children.  Then he wants to roll out the welcome wagon with a brass band.</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly the cycle continues - since the 60&#039;s and the advent of social studies (is that an exquisitely apt name for it or what?) high schools students don&#039;t learn much history except by way of what they absorb through the MSM. In other words, movies and the commentary of the actors and directors on DVDs. 

I can&#039;t remember where, exactly (Remains of the Day?) but Anthony Hopkins recites the usual chapter and verse about the unfairness of Versailles as if it were Gospel. On one of the LOTR discs, Peter Jackson calls WWI a stupid war that should never have happened, and in the very next breath extols WWII as one that had to be fought &quot;no matter how anti-war you are&quot;. I find the last especially ironic, almost bitterly so - Tolkien and Hitler were opposing combatants at the Somme, and I don&#039;t think either man survived with any doubts about what he&#039;d been fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly the cycle continues &#8211; since the 60&#8217;s and the advent of social studies (is that an exquisitely apt name for it or what?) high schools students don&#8217;t learn much history except by way of what they absorb through the MSM. In other words, movies and the commentary of the actors and directors on DVDs. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember where, exactly (Remains of the Day?) but Anthony Hopkins recites the usual chapter and verse about the unfairness of Versailles as if it were Gospel. On one of the LOTR discs, Peter Jackson calls WWI a stupid war that should never have happened, and in the very next breath extols WWII as one that had to be fought &#8220;no matter how anti-war you are&#8221;. I find the last especially ironic, almost bitterly so &#8211; Tolkien and Hitler were opposing combatants at the Somme, and I don&#8217;t think either man survived with any doubts about what he&#8217;d been fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marymcl...recall also the heavy reparations that Prussia/Germany imposed on France in 1871.The German complaints about crushing reparations ring very hollow:it was the onset of the Great Depression that destroyed the German economy and opened the door for the Nazis...and even then(late 1932)the Nazis had begun to ebb(but were saved by some cynical politicians who thought that they could control Hitler..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marymcl&#8230;recall also the heavy reparations that Prussia/Germany imposed on France in 1871.The German complaints about crushing reparations ring very hollow:it was the onset of the Great Depression that destroyed the German economy and opened the door for the Nazis&#8230;and even then(late 1932)the Nazis had begun to ebb(but were saved by some cynical politicians who thought that they could control Hitler..)</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dishonesty, ignorance and illogic of &quot;Gary&quot; is pretty obvious to anyone else who reads our posts side by side.  I could reiterate but why bother?  I&#039;ll respond to anyone else.  

I looked at some of his old posts on other sites, he&#039;s actually quite clever and funny when replying to CFudd as he calls him, why is he such an obnoxious, humourless putz when responding to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dishonesty, ignorance and illogic of &#8220;Gary&#8221; is pretty obvious to anyone else who reads our posts side by side.  I could reiterate but why bother?  I&#8217;ll respond to anyone else.  </p>
<p>I looked at some of his old posts on other sites, he&#8217;s actually quite clever and funny when replying to CFudd as he calls him, why is he such an obnoxious, humourless putz when responding to me?</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Pat an anti-semite? As a former fan (1980&#039;s mostly), I have some thoughts.

He is clearly a contrarian, as stated by an earlier poster.  I also think he grew up viewing his Irish &quot;tribe&quot; as a victim of other tribes (ie the English and the wealthy DC elites).  Over time, he identified with the supposed &quot;victimhood&quot; of the Arabs which helped him to form an intellectual and emotionally-based pro-Arabist view of the world. 

I speculate that he resents the Jewish tribe for: 1) denying his pro-Arabist arguments and mistreating his brothers in victimhood; 2) having more liberal, (ie elitist) political views; 3) having political sway on the national scene at the expense of his ego; 4) trying to trump the romantic victimhood of the Irish; and 5) not inviting him to some DC cocktail parties.

I think he desperately wants to remain relevant, but feels impeded by Jewish liberals and neo-cons. The result over the past 20+ years is that he has become more provocative as he sees the American public becoming more skeptical of his Arabist sympathies.  It helps increase his profile when certain cable shows invite him as their &quot;conservative&quot; because he strongly resents GWB&#039;s support for Israel. 

So, is he an anti-semite or not?  I suspect that he views himself as a proud tribal warrior more than anything else.  He doesn&#039;t hate Jews, he hates the opposition.

IMHO, he&#039;s a pawn who did well by the Gipper, but sold out conservatism after that.  He is an intellectually corrupt tool for the liberal media to bash GWB.  If Obama is less hostile to Israel than many of us suspect, he will be the fool they trot out to make the &quot;conservative&quot; argument. 

Pat&#039;s happy.  People are paying attention to him and he&#039;s raking in the big bucks that (in his mind) he has always richly deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Pat an anti-semite? As a former fan (1980&#8217;s mostly), I have some thoughts.</p>
<p>He is clearly a contrarian, as stated by an earlier poster.  I also think he grew up viewing his Irish &#8220;tribe&#8221; as a victim of other tribes (ie the English and the wealthy DC elites).  Over time, he identified with the supposed &#8220;victimhood&#8221; of the Arabs which helped him to form an intellectual and emotionally-based pro-Arabist view of the world. </p>
<p>I speculate that he resents the Jewish tribe for: 1) denying his pro-Arabist arguments and mistreating his brothers in victimhood; 2) having more liberal, (ie elitist) political views; 3) having political sway on the national scene at the expense of his ego; 4) trying to trump the romantic victimhood of the Irish; and 5) not inviting him to some DC cocktail parties.</p>
<p>I think he desperately wants to remain relevant, but feels impeded by Jewish liberals and neo-cons. The result over the past 20+ years is that he has become more provocative as he sees the American public becoming more skeptical of his Arabist sympathies.  It helps increase his profile when certain cable shows invite him as their &#8220;conservative&#8221; because he strongly resents GWB&#8217;s support for Israel. </p>
<p>So, is he an anti-semite or not?  I suspect that he views himself as a proud tribal warrior more than anything else.  He doesn&#8217;t hate Jews, he hates the opposition.</p>
<p>IMHO, he&#8217;s a pawn who did well by the Gipper, but sold out conservatism after that.  He is an intellectually corrupt tool for the liberal media to bash GWB.  If Obama is less hostile to Israel than many of us suspect, he will be the fool they trot out to make the &#8220;conservative&#8221; argument. </p>
<p>Pat&#8217;s happy.  People are paying attention to him and he&#8217;s raking in the big bucks that (in his mind) he has always richly deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s exraordinary, isn&#039;t it, the way the Nazi/Arab intersection has been largely ignored over the years? And all in the spirit of fairness of course. They might not be able to make a light bulb, but the Arabs, on behalf of &quot;Palestine&quot; (which I sometimes think we should refer to as &quot;the Anti-Semitic Entity&quot;) have waged one successful war of words after another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s exraordinary, isn&#8217;t it, the way the Nazi/Arab intersection has been largely ignored over the years? And all in the spirit of fairness of course. They might not be able to make a light bulb, but the Arabs, on behalf of &#8220;Palestine&#8221; (which I sometimes think we should refer to as &#8220;the Anti-Semitic Entity&#8221;) have waged one successful war of words after another.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pat Buchanan, in fact, actually helped turn me into a Zionist.&quot;

Yes, and the Allies were responsible for the Holocaust.  The quoted remark is ludicrous enough on its own without recalling that &quot;markus&quot; compares Israel to Nazi Germany (he will deny it but of course he will be lying).  One thing you can count in a post from &quot;markus&quot; - almost everything he says is a flat-out lie, enriched by his ignorance and sophistry.

Like when he says WWII &quot;led directly to the enslavement of half of Europe by Stalin&quot; the exact opposite is true - it was the failure of the West to stop Hitler in the &#039;30s that led to this war which was imperative for the survival of Western civilization.  By the time the US entered the war *all* of Europe was enslaved by Hitler and we had little choice by then but to ally ourselves with the Soviets to stop his rapacious, genocidal war machine.  If we had stood up earlier with the Eastern European republics that the West abandoned they would have formed a bulwark against Russian expansionism.

Use Occam&#039;s razor.  &quot;markus&quot; and Buchanan spew out yards of bullshit explaining why WWII was a bad idea but it is really quite simple:

1)  The Nazis murdered half the Jews in Europe but were stopped from murdering all of them by the Allies

2)  &quot;markus&quot; and Buchanan hate Jews

3)  Therefore they think WWII was a bad idea. QED.

You know, &quot;markus&quot;, it really looks quite stupid when you try to pretend you are sympathetic to Jews and Israel and then insinuate the old &quot;dual loyalty&quot; canard.  Not to mention blaming Jews for suppressing &quot;The Messiah&quot;.  By the way I&#039;m Jewish and have sung &quot;The Messiah&quot; so you can take that one and shove it.  But then logic has never been your strong suit.  As for your mindless parroting of Buchanan&#039;s drivel about Poland and Danzig, I can only repeat what I said before - blaming WWII on Poland is like blaming Megan&#039;s Law on Megan.  And you, like Buchanan, get your ethics from NAMBLA.

But &quot;markus&quot; was right about one thing, inadvertently no doubt, when he says that the Germans allowed Jewish emigration until 1941 (though they were already murdering Jews by the hundreds of thousands on the Eastern Front).  What he conceals is that the reason the Germans changed this policy was to toady to their Arab allies in the crucial North African theater.  It is well-documented that at this time Hitler was in close council with the Mufti of Jerusalem, the leader of the Palestinians who later went on to found the PLO.  So it was not the Allies who were responsible for the Holocaust as &quot;markus&quot; and Buchanan would like you to think, but the Arabs and Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pat Buchanan, in fact, actually helped turn me into a Zionist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, and the Allies were responsible for the Holocaust.  The quoted remark is ludicrous enough on its own without recalling that &#8220;markus&#8221; compares Israel to Nazi Germany (he will deny it but of course he will be lying).  One thing you can count in a post from &#8220;markus&#8221; &#8211; almost everything he says is a flat-out lie, enriched by his ignorance and sophistry.</p>
<p>Like when he says WWII &#8220;led directly to the enslavement of half of Europe by Stalin&#8221; the exact opposite is true &#8211; it was the failure of the West to stop Hitler in the &#8217;30s that led to this war which was imperative for the survival of Western civilization.  By the time the US entered the war *all* of Europe was enslaved by Hitler and we had little choice by then but to ally ourselves with the Soviets to stop his rapacious, genocidal war machine.  If we had stood up earlier with the Eastern European republics that the West abandoned they would have formed a bulwark against Russian expansionism.</p>
<p>Use Occam&#8217;s razor.  &#8220;markus&#8221; and Buchanan spew out yards of bullshit explaining why WWII was a bad idea but it is really quite simple:</p>
<p>1)  The Nazis murdered half the Jews in Europe but were stopped from murdering all of them by the Allies</p>
<p>2)  &#8220;markus&#8221; and Buchanan hate Jews</p>
<p>3)  Therefore they think WWII was a bad idea. QED.</p>
<p>You know, &#8220;markus&#8221;, it really looks quite stupid when you try to pretend you are sympathetic to Jews and Israel and then insinuate the old &#8220;dual loyalty&#8221; canard.  Not to mention blaming Jews for suppressing &#8220;The Messiah&#8221;.  By the way I&#8217;m Jewish and have sung &#8220;The Messiah&#8221; so you can take that one and shove it.  But then logic has never been your strong suit.  As for your mindless parroting of Buchanan&#8217;s drivel about Poland and Danzig, I can only repeat what I said before &#8211; blaming WWII on Poland is like blaming Megan&#8217;s Law on Megan.  And you, like Buchanan, get your ethics from NAMBLA.</p>
<p>But &#8220;markus&#8221; was right about one thing, inadvertently no doubt, when he says that the Germans allowed Jewish emigration until 1941 (though they were already murdering Jews by the hundreds of thousands on the Eastern Front).  What he conceals is that the reason the Germans changed this policy was to toady to their Arab allies in the crucial North African theater.  It is well-documented that at this time Hitler was in close council with the Mufti of Jerusalem, the leader of the Palestinians who later went on to found the PLO.  So it was not the Allies who were responsible for the Holocaust as &#8220;markus&#8221; and Buchanan would like you to think, but the Arabs and Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-reading this thread today made me think of an old joke.

An American tourist in Ireland spends an afternoon in a pub, hoping to get to know the locals. He strikes up a conversation with one fellow, which goes along fine for a while and then the Irishman asks, &quot;So what&#039;s your name, man?&quot;

The American answers, &quot;Cohen.&quot;

&quot;Cohen? What sort of a name is that?&quot;

The Yank takes a deep breath and says, &quot;It&#039;s a Jewish name.&quot;

&quot;Well of course it is, man, what I&#039;m asking is are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-reading this thread today made me think of an old joke.</p>
<p>An American tourist in Ireland spends an afternoon in a pub, hoping to get to know the locals. He strikes up a conversation with one fellow, which goes along fine for a while and then the Irishman asks, &#8220;So what&#8217;s your name, man?&#8221;</p>
<p>The American answers, &#8220;Cohen.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Cohen? What sort of a name is that?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Yank takes a deep breath and says, &#8220;It&#8217;s a Jewish name.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well of course it is, man, what I&#8217;m asking is are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?&#8221;</p>
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