and Now to the so-culled “Palestinian Liberation Organisation” (sneer quotation marks mine). What was the first place they attacked? What was the name of the first country they attacked for the purposes of “Liberation”? (sneer quotation marks mine again)

The “Palestinian Liberation Organisation” first attacked the country of Jordan, The Kingdom Of Jordan, and its king, King Hussein Of Jordan, to depose the kingdom there.

They failed. the “Palestine Liberation Organisation” FAILED. They Failed, They Failed To Depose the Kingdom of Jordan and its king, King Hussein of Jordan. They failed to depose the King of Jordan from his rule of Jordan (and of course, the west bank territory, which Jordan “occupied”), which Jordan, in his mind, Yasser’s mind, “occupied”, Yes, the same place, that west bank that the Kingdom of Jordan “occupied”. You know, the occupied west bank, that “occupied ‘west bank territory” [west of Jordan], that same “occupied territory” of land west of Jordan, but east of the mediterranean, and (east of) the state of Israel. The same “territory” Yassar Arab’phat wanted to depose the kingdom of Jordan for, in order to “Liberate”, what? the “west bank”? “Palestine”?

Well any way, Yasser, the AIDS “victim” failed. And where do you suppose Yasser Arab’phat, [the Egyptian, by the way] went to next, after he failed to depose the King of Jordan, King Hussein, and King Hussein of Jordans rule of Jordan and rule of the “west bank”?, the “occupied” west bank? where did Yasser go? Hmmm?

Well He, Yasser Arab’phat, went to Lebanon, and turned that country into a war zone. And made it his base from which to attack and obliterate Israel, and to “Liberate” what? the “west bank”? “Palestine”?

You speak of “ILLEGAL expansion of the settlements! “. What did Jordan’s occupation of “west bank” settlements constitute? I think Yasser Arab’phat would have described them as “Illegal”, now wouldn’t he? I mean, he, Yasser Arab’phat was trying to “liberate” the “occupied” “west bank” territories from the Kingdom Of Jordan, wasn’t he? So, in Yasser’s mind the whole thing is (was) “Illegal” then wasn’t it? You know, [the] Jordanian “occupation” of the west bank territory?

That is the reason why he, Yasser Arab’phat fought the Kingdom of Jordan’s ‘illegal’ “occupation” of the “west bank”, now wasn’t it?

“How many times has the UN condemned Israels actions”?

How many times has the “U.N.” condemned the actions of, oh, say Saddam Hussein? North Korea? Iran? Myanmar?Darfur?

Many times.

How often has the “U.N.” condemned the practice of slavery in saudi arabia?

None.

The U.N. is worthless for what they do, as for what they don’t do.

Before Yasser Arab’phat fought Israel from the base he had established in Lebanon, he fought the Kingdom of Jordan, to depose the rule of Jordan’s King Hussein there in order to take control of (what would have been) ‘formerly” Jordanian occupied” west bank’ territory, in order to attack Israel, from (what would have been) his (would’ve been) base in west bank, in order to attack and obliterate the state of Israel, from that base (in west bank)

So, from his base in the conquered (former) kingdom of Jordan (and from west bank), Yasser Arab’phat would’ve continued on and “Liberated” “Israel” from its occupation of the U.N. mandated state of “Israel” from his base there in west bank and Jordan.

Just as hamas, and fatah both plan to do from their bases in west bank and Gaza. and Israel knows this, whether, or even if 0bama pretends not to know this. But he does. He being 0bama knows this, no matter what he tries to manipulate, and fails to accomplish.

Got any problem with the Hamas government that wants to exterminate Jews, or are you just an antisemitic hypocrite?

All the happy talk about being open, wanting dialogue, making the oceans eternally exist at just the precise levels…but, yet these unsettling nominations of persons for high level policy positions…who hold some of the most virulent anti-Israel attitudes known in America today…is it simply me, or does that signal at least SOMETHING about our direction and intent?

Forget the low wattage Walt and Mearsheimer sheep…who follow that particular piece of pap and adhere to it with Velcro Ignorance.

Chas Freeman and Robert Malley take this to another level…the bottom notch…of Israeli antagonists.

Onto Roger’s point…I’m not sure it’s the Pawnestinians who are not interested in a two state solution. They have been moved around the chessboard and sacrificed for decades by the power brokers du jour in neighboring countries…they have no say in their own destiny. Making Israel the “bad guy”, fits the geo-political needs for a faux martyr.

If America turns her back on Israel…the argument about the “big bully” doesn’t play as well, but with the BBC issuing daily slander and Reuters and the AP feeding a string of lies from lying stringers…it doesn’t matter.

When slander IS the narrative, truth is an irrelevance.

(Roger I have written you a couple times, have you received my emails?)

The Israelis have been making that bet, in various forms, for nearly twenty years now.

* They recognized terrorist organization PLO, in exchange for security.

* They signed the Oslo accords, turning the PLO into the PA and giving them full day to day governance of the territories, in exchange for security.

Each time the violence gets worse. Whether or not the Israelis would go for it hardly matters, though if they’re smart they wouldn’t. I don’t doubt that the US would offer this, it’s just that the US would simply not deliver. What, precisely, will Obama do if he had this agreement in hand? Invade Iran? Bomb them? Don’t be silly.

Israel has learned time and again that when they make concessions in exchange for peace, that they’re held to those concessions forever, while the peace never arrives even temporarily. The US will deliver high-minded promises to defend Israel, but the Israelis know and we know that we won’t deliver on them if things really got that bad. We’d find some way to call for “peace” and to “stop the escalation” and “end the cycle of violence” and demand votes in the Security Council that will be conveniently vetoed.

I’m sorry, but the eyes of the world’s diplomats are on Georgia and Ukraine and Poland and the Czech Republic. Where are our pieces of paper with those countries?

I don’t doubt that most Americans realize that defending Israel is in our interests. However, our Commander in Chief does not, and ultimately, he gets to decide. Having Israel bet its survival on his honesty is a recipe for genocide.

All Western “elites” consider their respective societies guilty of racism. This is a nonnegotiable doctrine which pervades their thinking and actions. Barack Obama is a master in manipulating white guilt. Israeli’s elites are definitely convinced that their country is an imperialistic nation crapping on the darker skinned Palestinians. When push comes to shove, they readily admit it. Also, please note that my comments were carefully worded. I did not say all Israelis, but “far too many.”

If 0bama says “make a deal with Hamas” then we will “help” regarding “Iran’s nuclear intentions”- [sheesh] then Israel has to make the first typo, I mean, Israel has to make the first move. (As it is always the default position of the second party (obama) who can shrug and say “we tried” regarding Iran’s fulfillment of its nuclear ambitions, just as with whatever hamas does and doesn’t do regarding their obligations.) The road to hell. Is paved with the good intentions of ‘mediators’ who bear no direct consequence of the ‘good intensions’ the propose that others put themselves on the line for.

0bama pursues what he thinks best suited for him, and that’s the end of it.