As far as I know, our reactionary president still wants to negotiate with the mullahs, despite an obviously stolen election in an already phony democracy. The people of Iran are obviously feeling differently. Here they chant “Death to the government that cons the people!” in the streets of Iran. Pass this video around. Our president doesn’t support democracy. We can.
Another recent video of the forces of the Mullahs in action (these are the people with whom Obama wanted to negotiate):
In this one, students in SHiraz chant “Death to the Taliban, from Kabul to Tehran”:
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1. morowbie jukes:Soon to be repeated in the USA with the coming stolen elections of 2010 and 2012.
Jun 13, 2009 - 11:26 am 2. ts:On what evidence, Roger, do you assert that Obama doesn’t want to see democracy in Iran?
Jun 13, 2009 - 12:28 pm 3. Roger L Simon:I didn’t say he doesn’t want to see it. He just isn’t willing to fight for it or support the people of the country. He’s more interested in himself and his own agenda.
Jun 13, 2009 - 12:32 pm 4. Terrye:ts:
What evidence is there that Obama does want to see democracy in Iran? If he had his way there would not be a democracy in Iraq.
His number one concern right now seems to be if stealing the election in Iran will make the mullahs more willing to deal with the west.
Jun 13, 2009 - 1:59 pm 5. DarnedYankee:“Our president doesn’t support democracy.”
If you had any courage, you’d support a line like that with alot more than a YouTube video and a weasel phrase like “As far as I know.”
What do you propose we do, comrade? Go to war? Get an idea, then get back to me.
Terry, the president wasn’t openly rooting for Ahmed-dinnerjacket, unlike, say, Daniel Pipes (who, “as far as I know,” is viewed as an “expert” by armchair warriors like Roger L. Simon), so I think Obama’s a bigger backer of Iranian democracy than his domestic opposition, who only support it when they can use it as a bludgeon against whatever now constitutes the American “left”.
Keep screaming, rightist ideologues. No one is listening.
Jun 13, 2009 - 2:43 pm 6. Roger L Simon:DarnedYankee: “Get an idea, then get back to me.”
But how would I do that? I don’t even know who you are.
But thanks for sharing.
Jun 13, 2009 - 3:53 pm 7. Barry Dauphin:Get an idea, then get back to me.
Hey, I got one. We’ll send you and Andrew Sullivan to Iran to complain about election fraud to Khamenei. You never know, you’re so persuasive, it might just work.
Jun 13, 2009 - 5:50 pm 8. Dale Weeks:I think that Roger makes a very good point; Obama has made it clear from the beginning that he would negotiate “without preconditions”. That indicates to me that he won’t take a stand for democracy, even to the point of using the power of his bully pulpit to exert pressure on the Mad Mullahs and the Thug-in-Cheif Ahmadinejad. Obama’s decision to go to the Middle East and promote his Muslim heritage, his middle name, and give Islam credit for every advance in civilization but the space program made him look weak and tentative. In turn, the Mullahs re-hired Ahmadinejad because they simply saw no need to even “appear” more moderate with Obama in the White House.
Say what you want about Bush, he had convictions and consistently displayed the courage of those convictions, politics be damned. As for President Obama, I have seen nothing that gives me the slightest hint of his convictions on foreign policy, aside from his need to pressure Israel for more concessions.
Instead of taking issue with Roger’s assertion that “Our president doesn’t support democracy”, perhaps someone can point out examples of how our President IS SUPPORTING democracy…..perhaps starting with his chummy relationship with ACORN and his DOJ dropping charges against voter intimidation by Black Panthers at polling places.
After all, if you cannot support democracy at home, how can you be an effective proponant of it abroad?
Jun 13, 2009 - 5:56 pm 9. Neo:The dominant view among Obama administration officials is that the regime will look so bad as a result of whipping up Iranian hopes for democracy and then squelching them that the regime may feel compelled to show some conciliatory response to Obama’s gestures of engagement.
… sounds like Obama in Wonderland and Ahmadinnerjacket is the rabbit.
Jun 13, 2009 - 7:43 pm 10. Brian:Excellant.Mullahs will lose all credibility now.Democracy or crackdown?And if they do crackdown what next?
Jun 13, 2009 - 7:59 pm 11. Horace Wells:More posturing from a keyboard warrior:
1) You could really care less about the Iranian people except as a tool to depose the mullahs. This sound like the people who supported the war in Iraq expecting Arab gratuitude and a pat on the back as uber liberators when the war was based on lies & fear and most of the pro war people hated Muslims and Arabs
2) So short of war, what would you do? Where is your game plan? Should we stop talking to Iran less we might “appease” them? It seems to be something of some Law of Physics here that the mullahs don’t represent the Iranian people; who are all pro western, love Bush and Israel too. Where is your empirical proof for that? Personally, I belive that bad regimes most of the time reflect it’s citizens.
3) Would you still be willing if your personal risks and sacrifices would be heavy? I doubt it! You are all macho Hollywood tough talk and no action, another John Wayne draft dodging patriot. Your idea of sacrifice is making a donation to the USO.
Jun 13, 2009 - 8:01 pm 12. Horace Wells:So who here is willing to sign up, ship out and fight in Persia?
Jun 13, 2009 - 8:04 pm 13. Roger L Simon:Horace Wells – whoever you are – how dare you? As a matter of fact, I have many Iranians friends and have worked with the IRanian Freedom movement for over five years. I have appeared on free Iranian television broadcasting from California to Tehran and interviewed such brave students as Manoucher Mammoudi who was tortured in Evin Prison. His brother was killed there. Go ahead and insult me, Horace Wells. I don’t know who you are or what you do. But you sure sound like a schmuck.
Jun 13, 2009 - 8:12 pm 14. WFB:I hope Netanyahu is getting some information. Even if this is not the time to act from without, it may be the time to move from within.
Jun 13, 2009 - 8:50 pm 15. Deb:It’s not like the opposition in Iran isn’t also under the Mullahs(Kahmeni’s)rule. All the parties running wanted to continue w/ their covert nuclear weapons program…so it’s all the same give or take a bit of reform on the domestic side. In other words, even if the opposition won, it would be a fraudulant election since it’s all controled by the top ruling Mullah’s & democracy doesn’t exist in Iran period.
Jun 13, 2009 - 9:29 pm 16. Timothy:Obama has a squadron of special C-130’s that could fly along the Iran borders broadcasting the images and television reoports. He need give the word.
EC-130E Commando Solo
Jun 14, 2009 - 5:41 am 17. glenn:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-130E
Operative here is the stated goal of the Muslim world to destroy Israel. Roger, do you have any first hand knowledge that your friends in Iran feel differently?
Jun 14, 2009 - 4:53 pm