255 Comments

1. Mike_K:

Racism has become something of an example of rent-seeking behavior by certain individuals. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have made a pretty good thing of it. As they have profited from the guilt feelings of left wing whites, they have sharply discounted the accomplishments of their racial fellows who have actually made the effort to acquire graduate degrees and serious accomplishment. The weaknesses of affirmative action are far better known than the accomplishments of black businessmen and scholars. Is this really what the guardians of racial equality want ? I think it is a net negative and, if I were a black scholar or businessman, I would not be happy to be associated, however involuntarily, with the likes of Sharpton and Jackson.

Oct 18, 2009 - 5:57 pm 2. new caledonia:

“Ask yourself this question: When was the last time you heard someone sound like a genuine racist in private conversation?”

Just about exactly one year ago, in a bar in rural Illinois. A slightly tipsy man comes in, orders a beer, then loudly complains that America is about to elect its first [n-word] President.

The reaction? The barmaid told him firmly to “knock it off.” Two regulars sit on either side of him and engage him in conversation to change the subject, then escort him out after he finishes his beer. The waitress apologized to my wife and me for what we heard.

This is a bar whose sign says “Welcome Boaters and Bikers” and whose feature brew is Busch Light. Yes, in rural biker bars, racists are now treated as pariahs.

I realize that the singular of data is not “anecdote,” but I’ve got to say America has come a long way.

Oct 18, 2009 - 6:20 pm 3. FortWorthGuy:

A long time ago when I was in undergraduate school, a friend of mine (a sociology major) had the opinion that the charge of racism is easy to make and hard to dispute. The whole episode with Rush had proved him right, although I have believed his theory for a long time now.

Oct 18, 2009 - 7:17 pm 4. bgates:

Racism against black people is nowhere near as prevalent as it was 40 years ago, and a good thing, too. Even 20 years ago I can remember serious discussion around the subject of whether blacks could play quarterback in the NFL. Nothing like that could happen today.

On the other hand, the President of the United States might have a deeper contempt for white Americans than he has for people in general. There was never any significant public objection to Jeremiah Wright or the President’s long-term affiliation with him, and there never will be. The new book Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage says that Michelle was bothered by the fact that Barack is related to white people. There hasn’t been any public outcry over this book, and there won’t be. The Congressional Black Caucus is what it sounds like. There is no pressure to disband this unashamedly segregationist organization comprised entirely of members of Congress. Al Sharpton is a celebrity. So long as he makes it clear he hates white Republicans more than he hates Jews, he can host SNL whenever he wants.

I don’t know what black people say to each other in private, but look at what these prominent, well-respected black people feel comfortable saying in public.

Oct 18, 2009 - 7:53 pm 5. kcom:

I’m with you, Roger. I’m a long-time intermittent Rush listener (when I’m driving and he’s on I generally listen but I don’t go out of my way to do so at other times) and so I’m pretty familiar with his style. I just laughed when I heard the quotes attributed to him. They were so bogus it was just plain funny. Anybody who could make those claims with a straight face has obviously never listened to him firsthand. I understand how people whose politics differ from his might not like him but to claim he says things that he doesn’t say is intellectually dishonest and reprehensible and a sign of their ignorance. I’m sure they imagine that’s what his show is like but if they actually listened to it they would see how stupid they sound. On the other hand, there’s no dispute about the words of Rev. Wright (documented in his church newsletters and recorded sermons) and yet his vileness only brought out the apologists. Why?

Oct 18, 2009 - 10:46 pm 6. Cyrus:

Roger, in the case of the pundits and commentators, I think the bigger problem isn’t so much wishful thinking as it is ignorance.

I doubt that most of the media people passing on the fake Rush quotes actually ever listen to Rush. Hence, not familiar with his work, but having the cue of people who they professionally take seriously and respect, they had to find something, and the wikiquotes were the most readily available. In this case, the prejudice of the media regarding Rush (obtained not through experience but on the opinions of people like Al Sharpton), combined with their ignorance of any specific examples, led them to grasp at something that seemed to fit the preconception.

It’s not that they wished it were true, it’s that they never doubted it was true until it became so obviously untenable, the grudging retractions came out. I’m sure most of them are still quite sure even now that Rush is a racist, they’ll just not repeat the mistake and try looking for any specific examples for a while, preferring to trade on the caricature in general terms.

Oct 18, 2009 - 11:10 pm 7. Neobuzz:

Roger,

Why do you want to let Al Sharpton and his ilk off so easy? Inciting racial hatred is a loathsome thing. Lester Maddox felt nostalgia for the pre-existing racial order and had a financial interest in the preservation of that order, but you’d never let him off so easy.

And why, now, do you want to let him off so easy? Now, when “there’s an epidemic of racism going around.” Today we see a modern-day “civil rights” movement that seems to owe more to Elijah Mohammed that to Martin Luther King and a liberal establishment that has embraced the new order. This is serious business.

The racist demagogue Jeremiah Wright just put his protégé in the White House and you conclude your piece by telling us that this new racism isn’t working? Get real!

Yours truly,

Neobuzz

Oct 18, 2009 - 11:15 pm 8. Pajamas Media » If Wishing Made It So, There Would Be a Lot More Racists:

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Oct 19, 2009 - 2:11 am 9. JFM:

I think it was Frederick Douglass who said that therre were people who had an interest in perpetuation of racism and discrimination because it provided them with their means of living.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:53 am 10. cfbleachers:

Roger, you are on to something here that I have long considered. But, it is hard to put into a pithy comment for me. This is part of a much bigger picture as I see it.

Post-modern leftism is a study in the long con.

In order to sustain itself, it must, of necessity…continue to produce a steady stream of “marks”…dupes, who fall time after time after time for the NeoCom shell games.

A cottage industry has arisen in the unbreakable daisy chain selling of Archie Bunker’s America. For NeoCom’s it is important that we be eternally stuck in 1968. An energizing and heady time for the “labeling of America”…has given rise some four decades later to the free reign of NeoCom’s to use that walk through the looking glass to advance today’s “libeling of America”.

A cottage industry has arisen that feeds itself on the blood libel of this land of ours and invents…sometimes even creates…class, gender, sexual preference, racial, religious…”victims”.

And every “victim” needs a tormentor. Every protagonist needs a good “hateful” antagonist. In the permanent “sitcom mentality” the cheap laugh is always at the expense of the bumbling bad guy, while the hero is the “victim” of class, gender, racial oppression.

Flash forward to 2009 and the painting of Archie Bunker’s America where the hero is an anti-establishment NeoCom still exists. Only it has a much harder edge to it. And the slandering of America is more naked, open and notorious.

We have become a nation conditioned to apologize for our “transgressions”…by our military, by our corporate executives, by our Christian elders, by our ancestry, by our very existence.

We are in constant bow and scrape mode. A deep bow to Mideast sheiks here, a bowed head and sanctimonious breast beating mea culpa to Communist dictators there…NeoCom’s are not so much pushing the “reset” button as they are the “freeze frame” button.

It’s 1968 again, and we don’t own the flipper.

Oct 19, 2009 - 3:07 am 11. Bob:

Some of the millionaire athletes and owners in the NFL don’t agree with Rush’s politics, so he’s “a racist.” A few years ago, when my daughter was in high school, anyone she thought was uncool or did something she didn’t like was “gay.” She didn’t really mean that they had a same sex orientation; it was an epithet. To a large extent, that’s how the term “racist” is used today, as a slur against someone who’s outside your definition of what’s “in” or politically correct. The proof is that they have to rely on made-up quotes about slavery or James Earl Ray. Rush does 3 hours a day, which is broadcast to the world and which lefties record and transcribe. You can bet that if Rush said anything really racist, it would be all over the internet, like the clips of Van Jones proclaiming his communist leanings.

Oct 19, 2009 - 3:48 am 12. Ozzie:

State sponsored affirmitive action is racism.
Voter intimidation caught on tape, yet not prosecuted is state sponsored racism.
Immigration rules that restrict some ethnic groups but not others is state sponsored racism.

Racism is still alive and well in the US. The US government is it’s largest proponent.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:38 am 13. Rob:

I don’t live in the same country I thought I did. Who has the right to tell ANYONE in this country what they can buy with their money as long as it is legal. I don’t want to live in this progressive, socialist, Obama nation… I’m mad as hell and I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:52 am 14. JWF:

There seems to be a Catch-22 at work here. If Jesse and Al and all those people insisting that racism is just as bad as it ever was are right, they have to admit that all the government programs and trillions of dollars that came out of the Civil Rights/Great Society/War on Poverty era of the ’60’s have been a complete failure. And these same people keep insisting that more government is always the answer.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:56 am 15. Fantom:

Now if one wish’s to see where there IS racism mainstreamed in a segment of America one need look no further than here

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-md.ci.naacp13oct13,0,7415069.story

“Marvin L. Cheatham, the president of the Baltimore Chapter of the NAACP, introduced the resolution …….

….”Our concern is who would the governor appoint?” Cheatham said. “Here you have a predominantly African-American city. What if the governor appointed somebody white? ..”

Hmnn, maybe Whites have gone to far in embracing a colorblind society. Seems none of the other races in America wish to join us… maybe we should rejoin them instead.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:58 am 16. biblio44:

As usual, Rog, you’re spot on. Not only do the liberals overplay the race card, but they actually believe that the Obama-hate spewed by sites like PJM are actually anything more than constructive and measured criticism:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/10/18/secret_service_under_strain_as_leaders_face_more_threats/

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:03 am 17. davidingeorgia:

Mr. Simon,

I’m afraid there are still plenty of racists/bigots around in today’s America. It’s just that now almost all of them – the ones who dare publicly air their bigotry and hatred – are also members of minority/interest groups that make it politically suicidal to call them out as being what they are.

And why would they be quiet about their bigotry and racism? Their guy is in the White House now. They’re feeling cocky. If sitting in the pews listening to a Jeremiah Wright for 20 years didn’t disqualify Barack Obama from being president, why would the Al Sharptons of the world feel the least inclination to stop playing the race card.

If you have the right skin color, you can be just as racist and bigoted as you like..and it might even land you a “contributer” job at CNN.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:08 am 18. macko:

It’s not dead , why just the other day a man judged another by his character rather than the color of his skin. The dirty racist. The man being judged was of lowly character but his skin was black so how dare anyone speak badly of him. The man who judged him was white, a telltale sign of a racist.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:38 am 19. seanmahair:

One of the dirty little secrets on the left is that racists come in all colors, sizes, political leanings, they come from church goers, atheists and agnostics, they come from the north, south, east and west as well as from the poor, the rich and even in the middle.

There are people who are racists against:
Blacks
Whites
Native Americans
Hispanics
Jews
Arabs
Eastern Europeans
Western Europeans

In Socialist Europe they go after the Gypsies, the Serbs, we don’t even want to start with religious organizations that are targeted and the list goes on and on.

For leaders in this country to throw around the term makes it less and less useful when encountering “real” racism. One thing is for sure, it is a guaranteed way to separate the public so that they cannot work together to protect themselves from an overreaching and intrusive government.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:05 am 20. T:

Mr. Simon,

You wrote: “It’s a form of wish, a wish that – if you can convince others (and yourself) of its veracity – can lead to that wished-for pariah status for your opponent.”

Therein lies the tactical approach of the White House attacking Fox News. Nothing new here, but to paraphrase Lenin, if one repeats a lie often enought it becomes the truth.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:22 am 21. Now and Then:

Your conundrum . . . conservatives/Republicans have a reputation for being racists. The louder you say you’re not, the more you look to be. Think about that the next time you say liberals hate America.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:29 am 22. Thomas_L......:

I guess I just have no idea what racism is, at all. I thought it had something to do with thinking that people of another race were less than fully human and therefore could be treated differently and that less could be expected of them. I see almost none of that except in affirmative action programs and liberal politics.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:33 am 23. blotto:

Let me see if I have this correct: It is and always has been okay if blacks scream racism even when there is no racism, eg sharpton and jackson. It is okay today more than ever for blacks to say racist things (refer to fantom#13), NFLPA Smith, rev.(?) Wright, and so on. It is okay for white kids to be beat up on school buses and at school. It is okay for Holder to excuse the NBP from any legal actions. It is okay for blacks to have their own Cong. Black Caucus, NAACP, BET and other black entertainment venues, segregated colleges, black only scholarships, over representation of blacks in the NFL and NBA, the use of quotas in education and jobs that favor blacks, the use of black skin color to help college applicants get into college, the obvious discrimination of white firefighters and police officers for advancement, black mayors basically saying the towns they preside over are black towns and cities, and on and on.

At some point white America is going to say enough is enough. We cannot exist like this for too much longer. And all Roger gives us is this pap. If he cannot or does not want to see the coming racial war that the left is instigating then he needs to get out of his office more. If you are going to talk about race then talk about it.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:35 am 24. Tresco:

I get so tired of hearing “Black/Hispanic,/Etc. people can’t be racists. Only white people can be racist.” People who have that atitude are so blind to the de facto racism of their comment.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:46 am 25. Mike:

For #16, funny how that worked out. Considering that the Democrats were the pro-slavery party and the Republicans were the ones that eventually got rid of slavery. Of course, this goes back 150 years so the counter is that times change. But so what? I say lots of liberals hate America, how does that paint me as a racist? Maybe a bit bigoted or narrow-minded (although considering some of the “progressives” I have run into I am not so sure that’s a slam dunk). It seems that in order to beat this label, we are required to have a degree of guilt over what has happened. Conservative/Republicans seem to have issues over this so we get labeled “racists”. If we don’t have any feelings of guilt (since the vast majority of us DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO BE GUILTY ABOUT), we are the bad guys. Real “justice” you have there.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:01 am 26. Annie:

without the cry of “racism”, people like Jackson, Sharpton (in particular) would be out of a high paying job. They need to keep it alive.

A racial war? Probably. I would not want to live in the NE. OR “chocolate cities”…hhmmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm, mmmm mmmm mmmm..

The Dems created the KKK….Jim Crow…and racial tension(white entrance, no colored etc)….and welfare….and…. they need to clean up their act, So do republicans!!!
HOWEVER!!.. I believe it is a little too late. Hope not…

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:02 am 27. Rich:

When Obama was elected I told my wife that all claims of systemic discrimination against blacks became null and void. Some people just can’t accept that. As Glenn says, it just doesn’t fit the narrative.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:03 am 28. pelaut:

With the 60s methodical destruction of education in America, Americans now have indelible precepts.

Example: My wife and I, a mixed race couple, had a discussion on American racism with a recently retired professor of journalism.

We had spent months traveling throughout the American south where I grew up, and we both found the South virutally free of racism.

Our friend agitatedly defended his certain knowledge that southerners harbored rabid racism by telling us how, on his only ever trip to the South, to an academic congress in Atlanta, he got stopped by a fat Georgia cop for speeding. The fat Georgia cop (the only way my friend referred to the officer) talked exactly like a fat Georgia cop he saw in this, that and the other movies. He named the movies and the actors. It made him purely angry that I couldn’t see what he had seen that PROVED the South racist.

He “marched” (think Woodstock) in the 60s, reported in the 70s-80s and taught in the 90s at a major northeast university. He KNEW.

It’s a done deal, Roger. You can’t change it. Go Galt.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:04 am 29. Prologue:

18.Blotto raises some interesting points, but I don’t think there will be a race war, because no one really wants one, even those who are constantly waving the bloody flag. However, that doesn’t mean that people aren’t getting fed up. Racism is a very serious accusation, and its overuse doesn’t diminish how deeply resented it is. It has become the n-word for whites.
But I do think there might be a kind of Rosa Parks moment when someone just plain has enough and refuses to back down. What would happen after that, I’m not sure, but it might be enough to spark a spontaneous popular pushback, including boycotts, marches and other strategies straight out of the civil rights movement.
Just sayin’.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:11 am 30. ET:

“Yes, it’s reactionary and, no, it’s not working.”

Roger,

Another fine article, but …

In response to your last sentence quote above, I counter: Yes, it’s reactionary and, YES, it IS working.

Rush has been banned from owning a team, so how in God’s name can you conclude that “reactionary” didn’t work here (or, for that matter, in so many other similar cases against conservatives over the years)?

By that demonstratively false concluding statement you have unwittingly lumped yourself in with these same reactionaries, in that you are “wishing” that your conclusion be true.

While we’re on the topic of wishful thinking, I’d like to piss off even more choir members (of which, by the way, I am a fervent member) by adding that this type of thinking is in the same mold as so many other writers (and commentors)who opine “Well the Dems have really blown their chances for 2010 now with their latest outrageous fill-in-the-blank policy”; or, “The Press is done for; the Press are dinosaurs; yadda yadda.” In each case, no they are not. And in each case, I think those opinions represent two more examples of wishful thinking on the part of our choir members.

Choir members, with the despicable trifecta of ACORN-style voter fraud, gerrymandering and a propaganda press in no way going away any time soon, we have a long hard fight ahead of us. There’s a fine line between wishful thinking and a positive attitude for actual success. The former can lead to a smug complacency that will lead to further defeat and more disillusionment. The latter requires harder work. Let’s effin’ roll!

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:11 am 31. ETAB:

#16 Now and Then – the illogic form of your comment, that if you deny that you are a racist, then you are a racist, is similar to the 13th c medieval mode of ‘proving’ that you were a heretic.

If you were accused of being a heretic, and denied it, this was taken by the authorities as indicative that you WERE a heretic. To test this, you were thrown into the river. If you survived, you were a heretic; if you drowned, you were not a heretic. But, heh, in both cases, you did not survive.

I’d suggest, Now and Then, a wee course in critical thinking, and a requirement for evidence beyond your own assertions, would be constructive.

Obama used and continues to use accusations of bias, all and any kinds of bias, in his endless campaign for control. His election campaign was filled with racism, whether it was his grandmother or his pretence that he’d never heard Wright say a single anti-white statement.

His current campaign, and he does nothing else but campaign because he requires constant and increasing adulation, continues charges of racism, and accusations of bias (his unseemly attacks on FOX news)and anyone who disagees with Him.

Obama is psychologically pathological, a neat upfront manipulator for the backroom gang who are intent on inserting a socialist infrastructure into the US.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:15 am 32. Now and Then:

18. blotto:
” It is okay for white kids to be beat up on school buses and at school. ”

Who said that? One name. Gimme one name. You can’t. So STFU.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:16 am 33. Morton Doodslag:

Dear Roger,

A question for you: If you understand the reactionary (and racist) nature of the victim pimp hustlers like Sharpton, the why do you employ a serial abuser of the racist slur, one Ruben Navarrette?

Virtually every screed that that illegal-alien-apologising scumbag writes for PJM depicts an America steeped and seething in racism. Take a page out of your own article and please halt giving this leftist racist illegal-alien-apologizing race-hustling pimp a platform to utter his filthy swill.

Sincerely,
Morton Doodslag

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:25 am 34. ETAB:

#16 Now and Then – the illogical mode of your comment, that if one denies that one is a racist, then this shows that one is indeed a racist is similar to the mode of 13th c medieval tactics to prove heresy.

If you denied that you were a heretic this was undertood as a basic proof that you were indeed a heretic. Absolute proof of your heresy was achieved by flinging you in the river. If you survived, you were indeed a heretic. If you drowned, you were not..In both cases, of course, the accusation led to death.

Might I suggest, Now and Then, a brief course in critical thinking would be beneficial?

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:26 am 35. blotto:

n&t: Oh, touched a raw nerve with you eh? I now know who you are or pretending to be. Good.

Yeah, review the video on Rush’s website of a white kid being beaten and taunted by black kids. Go ahead and defend that. Hell I was beaten up when I was in MS in northeast Philly going to a predominately black school. SO I don’t have to name any I can use myself.

Oh and by the way, the STFU is really childish but then I’ve caught you in so many lies and as a paid poster, well I must really be under your skin… Good

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:36 am 36. JED:

Today’s “rascism” is the smoke part of the smoke and mirrors so famously used by manipulative sorts of the power hungry to distract from their real character and the immediate issues. The mirrors part is about projection and strawmen. No citizen living today is responsible for the infamous past and the history of slavery, except that which they would impose upon themselves.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:42 am 37. Now and Then:

33. blotto:

Who said it was OK?

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:56 am 38. Delia:

Being racist is the new black.

snark off/

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:59 am 39. Now and Then:

31. ETAB:
” that if you deny that you are a racist, then you are a racist”

I didn’t say that. I said it makes you LOOK to be one. (Methinks the lady doth protest too much, though in her case, it was true.) That is why I added the example about liberals being accused of hating America. We’re accused of it. When we deny it the accusations only become louder. I was actually giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt on racism.

You’re not ready for logic yet. Start with reading comprehension.

BTW, did you work out that whole “quote” thing with Donna V?

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:01 am 40. Delia:

N&T, do you see the MSM calling black teens beating up a white teen a ‘hate crime’? NO. NEVER. If the reverse were true and you had white teens beating up a black teen that’s exactly what it would have been labeled as.

Don’t you see how blatantly preposterous that is?

Some of the most racist people I’ve ever met were blacks and surprisingly, it’s not whites they hate the most, it’s Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:03 am 41. Thomas_L.....:

Now and Then appears to have some trouble with the truth. He’s a mental midget EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:09 am 42. Now and Then:

Judge. Keith. Bardwell. Becomes a Republican when Obama comes on the scene. Now he’s denying marriage licenses to interracial couples. Make of it what you will.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:11 am 43. Delia:

Black males also hate gays.

Forgot a ‘group’.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:14 am 44. Nancy Lopez:

Now and Then #42 exactly PROVES our hosts point when he brings up Judge Bardwell. Bardwell was instantly turned into a pariah when he made his marriage decision by, among many others, the Republican governor of the state of Louisiana.

Mr. Simon has amazing tolerance for inane internet trolls. I think I would have banned this person months ago.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:20 am 45. bobbcat:

2. new caledonia: “I realize that the singular of data is not “anecdote,” but I’ve got to say America has come a long way.”

On the contrary, your story is indeed an example of an anecdote. I am confident that it is repeated often all over the country. I have my own examples: When a neighbor said, upon hearing that a black family was preparing to move out of the subdivision, that she hoped that another black family would not move in. I was speechless (which is really rare for me). On another occasion, when chatting over cocktails with a few neighbors (different ones than the example above), the subject of misegenation came up. One went on about how she could never cope with her daugter marrying a black man. NTS, myself and the other neighbor were all over her like ducks on a June bug, asking on what basis would she cling to such an approach, that doesn’t her daughter’s happiness, etc. matter? She held a grudge against me for years over that conversation (don’t know about the other neighbor though).

So, to reiterate, most white people in our country today are not a bit comfortable with open displays of bigotry, and the blacks I am acquainted with strike me as having a similar attitude.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:25 am 46. rachel peepers:

Roger, I must express some disagreement with you. Racism is still very present in America. It’s not that hard to find. You just have to know where to look for it. Fish for it in the suburbs and most likely you’ll catch not even a whisper. That’s because it’s moved.

Main office these days: Washington DC.

What did Sotomayor continue to say when conversing with the media? That “any Hispanic woman is intellectually
superior to any white male”?

That, may friend, is the ugly embodiment of racism.

Then there’s our President himself, the great Obama, who not only appoints racists to his administration, Van Jones and Eric Holder being prime examples, but gives voice to the dreadful racism residing in every bone of his body. From statements in his book like,”Whites are so devious and hateful that we can no longer expect anything from them”, to that famous “typical white person” statement, pointing out that even his loving grandmother harbored racist fears; “feelings that are bred into every white person.”

Getting back to Holder, as you remember, he was the one, our attorney general, who, in week one of his administration told the world that white Americans are cowards. Their racism shines through with every breath they take.”

At the same time, when the Obama administration tries to find real racism in the the opinion leaders of their opponent
political parties, they can’t. So they make them up. All those racist things they accuse Rush of saying: made up.

Listen to Farrakhan, Jackson or Sharpton, though, and the racist comments don’t stop coming, from “Hymietown being Jackson’s characterization of a Jewish New York to Sharpton’s Tawana Brawley lies that white cops raped her.

In many ways, racism is the fuel of the Obama administration’s rhetorical fire. Charges of white racism is its lifeblood.

The fact is, racism, ugly, ugly racism not only is alive and well in America, but has a new home address, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:28 am 47. Delia:

44. Nancy Lopez,

EXACTLY right.

P.S. N&T comes here with a new name like yesterday’s used kleenex. Roger would have to ban his i.p. which might be possible but chasing down trolls is probably the least of his concerns. lol

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:29 am 48. Delia:

46. rachel peepers,

Sing it, sistah friend!

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:31 am 49. gracie:

There were several remarks about the white kid that got beat up on the school bus by black kids. The video is there too.
If it had been a black kid..there would have been hell to pay. The racists pimps would have been out in full force.

We seem to be afraid to stand up for what is right.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:37 am 50. Rob Crawford:

If you read Bardwell’s “reasoning” for denying interracial marriage certificates, he cites the attitudes of blacks. Now, I’m not saying he’s right, just pointing out that interesting fact.

Also interestingly, he’s not the first Louisiana Democrat who turned “Racist Republican” when the Democrats found themselves in political danger. It didn’t work for the last guy — he didn’t get the party’s endorsement, Republicans campaigned against him and FOR the indicted Democrat incumbent, etc.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:39 am 51. ETAB:

good heavens,now and then, do you seriously think that the average person, when informed that so-and-so ‘looks to be’ a racist, is going to then move on to say, “Oh, he only ‘looks to be’ a racist but, apart from ‘the look’, he’s really NOT a racist’.

Furthermore, you specifically said that Republicans have a ‘reputation for being racists’. That was your ‘major premiss’. No wiggle room here.

You then moved on to the example (minor premiss) of someone denying it..and your conclusion was that their denial showed that they ‘look to be” a racist. This is an assertion that their denial was irrelevant.

Are you going to acknowledge your error and rudeness in denying that black kids can, and do, beat up white kids?

Try again. And this time, don’t assume that any groups are pure and above racist emotions.

It’s found everywhere, whether it’s blacks vs Mexicans and Asians, or Asian groups who hate other Asian groups or blacks vs whites and vice versa, or north Italians vs South Italians…prejudice against groups is always around. The attempt by the US, in its contitution and history to ensure equality of enterprise is remarkable.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:39 am 52. Banned by Huffpo:

Truth of the matter is, if you call someone a racist, you are actually calling yourself a racist.

Sort of the “I’m rubber you’re glue” thing.

So, when the “Reverand” Al & Jesse starting calling everyone under the sun a racist . . . you get the picture.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:40 am 53. gracie:

Also, I think Obama’s book should be mandatory reading for all, esp “devious” white folk….

Everyone needs to recommend his book and put it out there (read it first) Maybe some of you whities will see that your all knowing president has feet of clay and clearly dislikes “you”.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:41 am 54. steveg:

Any white that is not a self-loathing guilt tripper is now labeled to be a racist in America. All part of the strategy of the cultural marxist which is todays democrat party.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:43 am 55. baal:

42. Now and Then: You know the old adage about the exception to the rule…proving the rule? Well now you do.
On that note I’d like to give props to your messiah for FINALLY doing something that may benefit the american people(as opposed to simple crony machine scumbaggery) in a tangible measurable way. This proves that despite the fact that he got his start turning tricks for a slumlord, he may still actually have some positive impact on the world. Oh, yes this is the artist formerly known as billslayer.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091019/D9BE5D2G0.html

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:45 am 56. biblio44:

“When was the last time you heard someone sound like a genuine racist…?”

Hmm, lemme think for a minute….

38. Delia: “Being racist is the new black.”

Right you are, Rog – not a racist in sight.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:45 am 57. Delia:

I’m not ashamed for being blonde, blue-eyed and fair skinned.

Sorry, race-baiters.

It ain’t gonna happen.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:46 am 58. Delia:

55. biblio44,

Did you just call me a racist?

Why thank you, brain fart!

RICK ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:47 am 59. Now and Then:

44. Nancy Lopez:
“I think I would have banned this person months ago.”

47. Delia:
“Roger would have to ban his i.p. which might be possible but chasing down trolls is probably the least of his concerns.”

So much for free speech. Wow, I give conservatives the benefit of the doubt in one post. Offer three simple facts about Hardwell without a judgment in the other post. And you want me banned for life! What are you so afraid of?

You use the school bus thing as what? Who said it was OK? Who can answer that? Nobody. I didn’t think anything of it to begin with – school kids in a fight. The person who racialized it was, you guessed it, Rush Limbaugh. Indefensible. So you default to the “What if it was a black kid being beaten up. . . ” to manufacture a scenario that you can populate with conjecture and supposition. The only problem is, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.

Now you really are protesting too much. I gave you a chance and you blew it.

Hail Rush. Go Sarah.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:49 am 60. firefirefire:

I’ve been called a “white Boy”, a “Cracka”, and a “swine” by people of color.
and I’m a racist because I didn’t vote for and care not for the policies of obama.
go figure.
Obama wants Americans to choose sides.
I choose not to join his side.
judge me by the content of my character,not by the color of my skin.
go ahead I dare you.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:50 am 61. Delia:

Where’s the white caucus?

WHERE?

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:52 am 62. Delia:

Where’s ‘ivory’ magazine?

Where?

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:52 am 63. Delia:

Where’s WET? White Entertainment Television?

WHERE?

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:53 am 64. Delia:

What about the stupid, ugly white people? Where’s our affirmative action for idiotic whites?

WHERE?

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:56 am 65. Delia:

I WANT EQUALITY!

DAMNIT!

I’m a wise, white woman and I’m much smarter than all of you brown and black and whatever colored people.

I’m PINK! I want reparations for putting up with you people. YOU PEOPLE!

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:58 am 66. Delia:

There is the human ‘race’.

Get over it, jackasses.

Rant off/

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:59 am 67. Poor Citizen:

So you get to defend Rush Limbaugh, and I usually end up defending the new president. Who has it easier?….

I am really not sure sometimes. Well, at least you get fame and fortune to do it. Good luck to you !

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:03 am 68. Delia:

67. PC,

Stop mentally masturbating on a public forum. When you defended Bush it must have only been because he was white.

YOU RACIST!

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:12 am 69. biblio44:

58. Delia: “55. biblio44, Did you just call me a racist? Why thank you….”

Hey, no problem. Any time.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:17 am 70. steveg:

America has made many mistakes in its short history, but probably its involvement in the slave trade was its most enduring albatross. Hustlers like Al, Jeremiah, and Jesse will use this till their last breath to explore white guilt.

And the sad fact is that african immigrants that come here legally eventually become the best american citizens you could ask for, and they are normally despised by generational african americans.

I have heard black professional atheletes like Dennis Rodman and Warren Sapp who made over $10 million dollars a year call themselves slaves of the white owners. No matter how successful they become the chip remains on their shoulder.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:18 am 71. ETAB:

ahh, now and then, so you are now, on your own, removing any racist tinge to the black boys beating up the white boy on the bus. To you,it’s now just ‘boys will be boys’.

You can’t, of course, prove that it wasn’t racist. But Your Word is the Truth, and you are telling us that it wasn’t racist.

OK, then do the same for, let’s see, Al Sharpton and his exploits. Michelle Malkin has an outline of his 1987 false claim about a rape of Tawana Brawley by ‘whites’. And his 1991 anti-semitic riot inducement. And his 1995 anti-semitic massacre inducement.

Can someone who is black be a racist? Hmm? Why hasn’t Sharpton, Jackson et al been pilloried for their open racism?

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:19 am 72. Banned by Huffpo:

The other day some black guy honked his horn at me when the light turned green and I was a little slow on the gas.

So, I yelled “You honky!” out the window at him.

Does that make me a racist???

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:22 am 73. Sherab Zangpo:

There are only good people and evil people.
And we all make mistakes and we all should try to improve ourselves.
The cultural debate should be centered on this.
All the rest is ideology, that is a pseudo-culture inspired by nihilism (the blind belief that everything originated from a sheer nothing).

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

PS Yes, we should debate this theme: IF there is a chance to heal evil people – i.e., people who do evil WITH THE INTENTION to harm.
But I am old and I have learned that I don’t know.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:24 am 74. Sallie:

Yeah, where is the white scholarship fund, the white affirmative action panel, the white “we gotta loot because we want to” people??? I want a”white” caucus to go to Cuba. The black caucus needs to go to Somalia, Nigeria etc., see how it is, then sing the praises of socialism/communism etc ..

Racism is alive and well all over the world, whether we choose to admit it or not. Obama and his cronies have managed to make things worse. Obama was elected and Jackson, Sharpton etc seem to think they were appointed “king” and all powerful. Not since the 60/70’s have I heard so much discourse.

I do realize how rude I sound. I am tired of being the bad guy in America because I’m “white”, and work for a living…actually I’m Italian, does that entitle me to free meatballs???, is there a form to fill out???

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:26 am 75. Delia:

70. steveg,

Some of the brightest, hardest working people come from Africa and they prove that blacks aren’t stupid and lazy. Until black Americans stop buying into the ‘victim’ meme, they will stay stuck in perpetual poverty and lowered expectations exactly the way they are and never realize their true potential.

The Democrats and race baiters plan on keeping it just that way unfortunately.

Yes, slavery happened and it was a sickening, horrible, despicable thing but I am not a slave owner and no living black person has been a slave.

And there is racism amongst people other than white and until that is dealt with…

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:26 am 76. Roland:

The last time I heard someone being racist, he was a black guy and he was on TV., and he is the president.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:27 am 77. Sallie:

I agree. I read an article recently by an African man in America. He was shocked by the behavior of black Americans. He did not want to associate with them, and he didn’t want his children going to school with them. So what has happened?

I never owned slaves, don’t know anyone that owned slaves..get over the slavery crap. Time for ALL Americans to stand on their own feet. If you are so enamored by where your ancestors came from, and want to whine about America, go back there. Live it up!!

Racism is growing by leaps and bounds in America..
thank you Mr. President…

SHERBA ZANGPO (73) SAID IT WELL…

“As it has always been, the forces of darkness try to imitate and mimic the forces of Light to lead people astray. “

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:45 am 78. Peter the Bubblehead:

70. steveg wrote:
America has made many mistakes in its short history, but probably its involvement in the slave trade was its most enduring albatross. Hustlers like Al, Jeremiah, and Jesse will use this till their last breath to explore white guilt.

Peter writes: Every country on Earth, at one time or another, has benefitted from the so-called institution of slavery, and that includes a great many African countries (and/or tribes) who kidnapped opposing tribe members and sold them into slavery.

So why is the US, who came into the institution rather late by world standards and probably ended slavery sooner than almost any other country, the only one who is still punished to this day for it?

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:53 am 79. Scott:

Go Delia!

What many people seem to forget is that there is “racism” and then there is racism. Real racism is the actual oppression and exclusion of a group based upon their skin color. This is starting to happen to whites, and especially white heterosexual males, as they are excluded from employment in order for companies to make sure there are enough females or blacks, Latinos, etc. working at a company. White males are constantly portrayed as stupid, bumbling, and incompetent in the media. While others can have Black, Gay, Latino, Asian, Arab, etc. only clubs and organizations the white heterosexual male is barred from doing the same thing.

The various ethnic groups are more likely to have more in common with another person from their group than someone from another group, though there are exceptions. In fact minorities are more segregationist than whites. Just try showing up to a black club or neighborhood and not be black yourself, good luck on not getting harassed, beaten, or worse. Same goes for the Latino and Asian neighborhoods and clubs. So what would qualify as “racist” from whites is accepted from other ethnic groups…go figure.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:54 am 80. Sherab Zangpo:

I posted what I think (above, at #73).

But I must notice that IF “racism” were a theme for any debate (which , IMHO, shouldn’t be), then why have the African American pushed for the election of a man who clearly belongs to the race of those who raided and sold African slaves ? Barak Hussein doesn’t exactly sound as a Black African name to me. It is an Arab name. Arabs sold the slaves to the slave traders…

But I repeat, this is not the theme for a serious debate.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment

PS And reparations should be asked to the Arabs, probably.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:03 am 81. jbaum384:

For an extensive list of sourced and verified racist and race-baiting comments by Rush Limbaugh, follow this link to Little Green Footballs (Charles Johnson helped found Pajamas Media).

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34938_Rush_Limbaugh_in_His_Own_Words

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:03 am 82. Delia:

Nods to Sallie, Peter, Scott and Sherab.

And my bad… I made a goof.

I should have said there are no living slaves alive today in AMERICA…

In Africa on the other hand…

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/slavery-still-alive-and-well-west-africa

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:08 am 83. Delia:

81. jbaum384,

LGF is a joke.

Puhlease. You must be newpid here.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:09 am 84. Ms. Attitude:

So, does it make me a racist if I won’t get in an elevator with a thuggish looking black man by myself? Even though I won’t get in an elevator with a thuggish looking white man, asian man, etc, by myself either? Or does that just make me an alert smart woman?

The perception of the black thug would be racism since I’m white.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:17 am 85. chrisa798:

I run in GOP / Libertarian (by choice) and lefty (sadly, I have too many misguided colleagues) circles, and the majority of the bigotry is on the left — they don’t seem to realize that bigotry against people you don’t like is still bigotry, so they say horribly intolerant things almost between spasms of self-praise for their tolerance.

And Roger is correct, nasty bigotry makes me uncomfortable even when coming from someone aligned with me politically. I just can’t remember the last time it happened.

I have a black friend who got frustrated defending Obama’s “clingers” remark and finally declared that I held racist beliefs and regarded black people as the “N” word whether I admitted it or not. Months earlier, he had declared that it was okay for black people to hate white people. Cal State mind poisoning at work…

Or had him as a friend, I should say. Mr. Simon here couldn’t be more right. Well done.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:18 am 86. blotto:

n&t:”You use the school bus thing as what? Who said it was OK? Who can answer that? Nobody. I didn’t think anything of it to begin with – school kids in a fight. The person who racialized it was, you guessed it, Rush Limbaugh. Indefensible. So you default to the “What if it was a black kid being beaten up. . . ” to manufacture a scenario that you can populate with conjecture and supposition. The only problem is, IT DIDN’T HAPPEN.” This is the most vapid paragraph of poop I have ever read on this thread, eh, well okay one of the most purely inane and stupidest paragraphs. You get the picture.

So a horde of black kids beating up a lone white student is neither racist nor something you should think about? Oh, brother are you twisted. In order to defend the indefensible fact of black racism are you saying that that incident did not happen? Are you serious? Or is it your bad grammar and sentence structure that leads the readers to that conclusion. Do you even know what conjecture and supposition mean?

I realize that after the vile things you said about Beck’s child I would never talk to you but ya’ know I feel like a lion drawn to its prey: Too easy to kill.

Nah, I think I will try to ignore you in the future anyway. But here are some words you should “think about” because they accurately describe you and your intellect: absurd, addled, anserine, asinine, beef-witted, beetle-headed, besotted, blockish, bovine, brainless, brutish, clod, cloddish, comatose, crass, cretinous, dazed, dense, dimwitted, dizzy, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb, dumbbell, dunce, fat-witted, fatuous, foolish, footless, foppish, hebetate, humdrum, idiot, idiotic, ignorant, imbecile, imbecilic, imperceptive, inane, inept, insensate, insensible, irrational, irresponsible, lethargic, loutish, meaningless, moron, moronic, oafish, obtuse, oscitant, pointless, prosaic, prosy, purblind, senseless, silly, simple, simpleton, slow, sluggish, stolid, stultifying, stupefied, torpid, undiscerning, uninspiring tame, unintelligent, unwise, vacuous, vapid, witless, worthless….

Go Delia!!!

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:21 am 87. Scott:

So why is the US, who came into the institution rather late by world standards and probably ended slavery sooner than almost any other country, the only one who is still punished to this day for it?

There are several reasons for that.

1) In America slavery was not allowed to die a natural death as it was in many countries. It was ended after a bloody war in which the institution was and still is used for propaganda and personal gain. Lincoln made slavery the issue via the Emancipation Proclamation (which actually freed no slaves) to keep European powers from helping the Confederacy, he allowed slavery to continue in all Union states. Many lies and exaggerations live on today and are often taught without any perspective on the times or concern for the whole truth. For example that the major dealers in slaves from Africa were black and Muslims, that free blacks in America also owned slaves, or that many whites came to America as indentured servants which is basically a form of slavery.

2) The method in which slavery was ended lead to several million poor in addition to those impoverished by the actions of Lincoln’s general and the Reconstruction Era. Like all “liberal” ideas (and the Abolitionists were liberals) it was poorly thought out and implemented. Many former slaves were ill equipped to make a living on their own due to lack of education and training, and many of their former owners were impoverished or had their lands confiscated and hence they could not work for them as paid hands. They were also ill equipped to exercise their right to vote and were taken advantage of by carpetbagger politicians.

3) The institution of slavery in America consisted of imported African slaves. Slavery in many other places consisted mainly of the local populace or those reasonably nearby. While Rome had access to slaves from around the Mediterranean they generally didn’t ship them that far en masse like the technological advances in ship building of the 16th and 17th century allowed. In addition many of the various guilds pressured rulers to abolish slavery early on in Europe so as not to have to compete with slave labor, even though many peasants were little more than slaves to the aristocracy.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:39 am 88. ricpic:

The most natural thing in the world – to feel most comfortable with those who are most similar to you in race and culture, less comfortable with those who are less similar to you in race and culture, and uncomfortable with those who are racially and culturally unlike you – is labeled racist. And not only by the hot-to-trot social engineers. I’d be willing to bet most of those who run this site would call the above racist.

But none of the enlightened can change human nature. The fact is that they are, all of them, criminals. To have added so much gratuitous misery to the lives of millions of ordinary people by forcing them into constant close contact with those they are unlike and don’t like and cannot be made to like is criminal, criminal in the extreme.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:45 am 89. Michael Smith:

The constant accusation of “racism” hurled at the right by the left is a confession of intellectual bankruptcy — it’s a confession that the left has no actual valid arguments to offer in defense of the two central ideas that animate its political positions: socialism and pacifism.

Those two ideas were completely discredited by the events of the 20th century. Socialism didn’t raise the masses out of poverty — it starved them by the millions in every country where it was tried. Likewise, pacifism didn’t bring world piece — it invited the horrific aggression of two world wars that slaughtered millions more. When the overwhelming, global-scale result achieved by your political philsophy is mass death, you’ve no choice but to switch the argument away from any examination of the facts and on to something else instead.

Hence the left’s desperate attempt to attack the character of those on right. At root, the accusation of racism is nothing but ad hominem and is thus fallacious. Even if every person on the right were a raging racist, this would not make their arguments invalid and would not change the abysmal record of socialism and pacifism. The validity of a man’s arguments is not a function of his character.

The left is desperate to avoid any examination of the facts — the right should dismiss the racism charge for the lame ad hominem that it is and instead focus on reminding the voters of the actual results achieved by socialism and pacifism in all their forms.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:50 am 90. eric:

I have a question.

In the past blacks were disliked, even hated, simply for being the “other”. They were likened to animals, thought subhuman and treated as second class citizens. Whites didn’t like blacks because they weren’t white. That is clearly racist.

Today when people I know of speak about differences between the races they don’t speak in terms of physical attributes but rather in terms of culture. Blacks aren’t avoided because they’re “black” but rather because so many whites, Asians, Indians (subcontinental) find their misogynistic, hip-hop, violence infused subculture and behavior obnoxious and their politics collectivist.

I go to the gym every day after work and there is always a group of black guys there who work out together. I can’t understand a word they say. They’re loud and behave as if they’re in the “hood” rather than a public gym.

I also have had the pleasure of meeting and knowing many Americans who happen to be black. Well spoken, well mannered, normal people. I’ve liked them all.

Am I racist for being put off by boorish behavior that happens to be be the predominant behavior of our black population promoted through movies, music, television, comedy, etc?

I think real racists are very few and far between these days. What people are really objecting to is cultural behavior.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:50 am 91. Sherab Zangpo:

#81

The links presented in that page illustrate that Freedom of Speech is truly in danger in America:
saying that Sotomayor is a racist is a racist sentence ? saying that this president is a racist is a racist sentence ?

Very sad.

But I guess that some have understood that the muslimarxist regime will be hard on dissent and have decided to side with the (temporary) winners…

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:51 am 92. Sherab Zangpo:

#89 Michael Smith

Hence the left’s desperate attempt to attack the character of those on right. At root, the accusation of racism is nothing but ad hominem and is thus fallacious. Even if every person on the right were a raging racist, this would not make their arguments invalid and would not change the abysmal record of socialism and pacifism. The validity of a man’s arguments is not a function of his character.

Excellent, Sir !
Thank you very much, it is a true pleasure to see that REASON still exists.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:56 am 93. steveg:

Andrew Breitbart recently stated what changed his politics most was the way Clarence Thomas was treated by senate democrats, and the media during his confirmation process. That along with the reaction to the OJ verdict in 1995 had a lasting effect on my political views also.

The Tawana Brawley episode was similar to the Duke Lacrosse players fiasco. This always gets hugh media attention because it is such a rarity for a white male to rape a black women. Of course, you would not know this from left-wing academics, and the MSM where they fail to inform the american public that black on white assaults/rapes are 35,000+ per year, whereas white on black are less than 10. A stat you will never hear from Eric Holder or Barack Obama.

Oct 19, 2009 - 10:57 am 94. Gracie:

Once again, I see nothing racists about Rush’s remarks…

MSM has touted Obama as the first “black”…blahblah.. African American time after time after time…no not an AMERICAN…an African American..Black President, not president, the first black president, MSM!!

Rush is right, Obama was a boy, he was black, he is a black president, so said by the MSM. Don’t try to hand me that Rush is racists in his remarks. The truth obviously does not sit well with many.
Obama is BLACK, he was a black child, he was in kenya, I will not bend over because someone is another color,!!!! And Rufus was never said to be black, or Latino…but that is what you “thought” he ment.
Your president “is” a racists, have you read his book that Ayers wrote for him?, he doesn’t like whites, and I definitely hope his plans for America fail…
THERE, I’m a racists!! color me happy
I am are tired of people who do not want to work at life falling on the racists card!!! It’s the blacks “in America” that in general seem to have a problem with privilege and working.
Our government is controlled by people who disagree with the values America was built on, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, etc many times over. We have spend many years dumbing our kids down in schools. The gov has enticed the poor and uneducated with welfare, free this and that. The MSM has helped tremendously. I believe Obama and his cronies are up to no good in America.
.Frankly, I don’t care if you disagree with me. This is a free country, for the time being.

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:14 am 95. stuart williamson:

It is diffcult to over-state the damage that the election of of an unqualified, radical Socialist African-American President has done to the cause of ending racism in the U.S.

If Obama was a man of high character and his political beliefs centered, free of obvious intent to destroy our free enterprise system, he could have been the unifying figure he falsely claimed to be.

Instead, when he loses control of he Congress, is defeated in election, or otherwise removed from the office he is so unfit for, his fall will certainly be charged to “racism” rather than to the overt Socailist program he is so recklessly pursuing. The injustice of that accusation, and the fervor of those who advance it, will unquestionably fuel a rise racial animosity.

Obama has wrought “change” that has poisoned our political system and set back race relations by at least two generations.

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:17 am 96. biblio44:

“…not once have I heard [Rush] make a statement that was racist. Not even close.”

Hope you read your responses, Rog – especially jbaum’s (#81). Perhaps what he provides is close enough for you.

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:20 am 97. steveg:

Just Curious…..I have not been on a college campus for over 30 years, and was wondering if race baiting 101 was now part of the college curriculum?

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:36 am 98. blotto:

biblio44: Is THAT what you call evidence of racist remarks. Wow, that is a veneer thin. And just which one(s) are racist? Seems to me they are all straight forward commentary unless, oh, I get it, Rush and all of us conservatives cannot say anything about anyone most of all Obama anymore. Everything is racist now.. We are now offically silenced by the self-rightous and sanctimonious left. Geez, how elitist white and beneficent of you, bib. Tool.

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:42 am 99. biblio44:

98. blotto: “biblio44: Is THAT what you call evidence of racist remarks. Wow, that is a veneer thin.”

Right, blotto. As Roger would say, they weren’t even close.

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:50 am 100. gracie:

BLOTTO!! ditto!!! and thank you!!

Oct 19, 2009 - 11:51 am 101. EscapeVelocity:

The racism charge is part and parcel to the success of the Leftwing culture war against Western Civilization. Keeping people ashamed and guilt ridden, and thus in check.

Well, that gig is up, and the sooner Europe rises in defense of itself from mass immigration of Islamics, the better.

The returned cultural confidenc will, banish identity politics victimization resentment peddlers to the status of pariahs.

It cant come fast enough.

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:11 pm 102. Poor Citizen:

To Delia, dear Delia,

I was not even talking to you in my post and I have never defended Bush on any subject. However, I understand that the combination of strong drink and too much weather change in the old trailer park sunlight can have a detrimental effect on your judgement. So your excused. Now get out of the sun dear delia, you might blow up from thinking, and typing, way too fast.

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:12 pm 103. moderato:

Mr. Simon, you said, “It (racism) is no longer an essential problem for our culture.”
Well, judging from the anger expressed by most of the contributors here, I would disagree with you. In spite of great progress, this is still a problem for us, don’t you think so?
I believe that the old racial animosity (”reactionary” as you call it)is now expressed in more covert and coded language. Example: “I want my country back.”

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:19 pm 104. DouglasT:

I agree. I was raised in the South when there were still separate water fountains.

Now, when I go back, there is not a trace of racism. Everyone has grown up and moved on.

Remember, it was the liberals who thought a gentleman of color couldn’t get elected. They just pompously assume the masses are racist.

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:29 pm 105. A. N. Pierson:

Moderato #103: “I believe that the old racial animosity (”reactionary” as you call it)is now expressed in more covert and coded language. Example: “I want my country back.””

Gee, and I thought that meant less government and free markets. According to Moderato, it means a return to slavery. What a dum-dum I am. Thanks, Moderato.

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:29 pm 106. johnt:

You need look no further than the White House for racism. Twenty years Obama sits in a “church” listening to race and America hate. At first when confronted with this he says he cannot forsake the Rev. After the sharks who advise him straighten him out he issues a disclaimer.
And we’re the racists ?

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:31 pm 107. EscapeVelocity:

Example: “I want my country back.”

Is that like the Census Bureau under the political wing of the White House’s controls new poster..

Census 2010 (picture of multicolored hands) Its in OUR HANDS

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0120a5f28d19970b-800wi

Bill Clinton is going around purposely stirring up racial and ethnic tensions by hammering home the mantra….non whites will be the majority in the country soon. The future is with them. All the while continuing to villify white people and stir up resentment and hostility between groups to peel voters.

Have they no shame?

Oct 19, 2009 - 12:38 pm 108. trojan2:

I have noticed a not very salutary result of the media and the administration accusing anyone who disagrees with or criticizes Obama of being a racist.
A friend said to me”If I am going to be called a racist just for my opinions,then what the hell?”.The current environment seems to be creating a form of racism where it didn`t exist before.

Oct 19, 2009 - 1:02 pm 109. steveg:

#104….I was transferred to a FLA/ALA gulf coast town in 1998, and I did not know what to expect. In the eight years I lived in the area I do not remember a single racially charged incident. As you stated, there was not a trace of racism.

Matter-of-fact, I sold my house to a african american hurricane Katrina victim, and we became close friends. We continue to exchange emails to this day, and joke about everything including Obama.

Oct 19, 2009 - 1:06 pm 110. Now and Then:

51. ETAB:
“You specifically said that Republicans have a ‘reputation for being racists’. That was your ‘major premiss’. No wiggle room here.”

Who needs wiggle room? You DO have that reputation. There are ample enough examples to the contrary to warrant not generalizing such a thing, but you DO have that reputation. You may not like it, but you got it. Are other people racists? Enough, yeah. So what? That doesn’t change your reputation. Did I mention that Republicans and conservatives have a reputation for being racist? I;m not saying it’s true beyond exception. I’m just saying . . .

Finally, you see those squiggly things up there around the first sentence? That means that somebody else said it, somebody other than me, in this case you.

Oct 19, 2009 - 1:13 pm 111. Delia:

PC [102.], you defend Bush all of the time and never give any real, true reasons other than he’s such a great guy and all of his racist associations should be ignored. Why? Just because he’s white.

-And, stop saying black people are all crack heads and live in slums.

RACIST!

*goes over PC’s head again*

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:05 pm 112. Delia:

Too bad my skin isn’t black. I could hate whitey and never be called a bad name for it.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:07 pm 113. Dan @ Israeli Uncensored News:

Modern Left plays a typical Sophist trick of expanding the term to drive it over the edge. Originally, racism was thought as an active policy of persecution. After persecution ended, the term obtained a new meaning of segregation. After the Supreme Court ended segregation, any kind of dislike, however tacit, became called, racism. By now, merely asserting skin color is racism.
To be sure, similar things happen with Jews. The ADL now registers as anti-Semitism quite innocuous and possibly true views, such as that Jews exert disproportionate influence on markets and the government.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:10 pm 114. EscapeVelocity:

The current environment seems to be creating a form of racism where it didn`t exist before.

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Wrong, what is happening, is that non white races and ethnicities are fully racist via identity politics and, victimization narratives, stoking resentment..etc of teh New Left.

What is happening is that White Western European peoples have had enough of that, and seeing as how successful the New Left and its gaggle of racist identity groups have been, are starting to join the game.

Its the predictable result, of a system that rewards groups for organizing into racist/ethnicist groups and demanding favors, special rights, preferences, etc from the government. Its been mostly a one sided affair for about 40 years now. That is about the change. In Europe, Islamic immigration was the straw that broke the camels back.

The Western New Left has no shame, else they would be ashamed of the climate that they have created of divisive identity politics that will lead to great conflict and suffering…which was totally avoidable and unnecessary.

But alas…

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:15 pm 115. Terrye:

It has been awhile since I heard someone make a really nasty racist comment, and my reaction was something along the lines of STFU.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:17 pm 116. Tcobb:

We have had Affirmative Action for more than a generation now. If it hasn’t worked, it needs to be ended, because that means it doesn’t work, and if it has worked, there is no need for it any longer.

I don’t believe in racial inferiority, but I do believe in cultural inferiority. When you have a culture that doesn’t place a high value upon education, work ethic, or family responsibility that culture is INFERIOR to those that do. Its time to stop the co-dependency behavior, and its time to stop viewing people who promote it as being anything other than idiots.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:22 pm 117. Mike Shuster:

Roger, if racism is no longer fundamental to our culture, as you claim, please explain this study:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_2_48/ai_97873146/

Basically, the same resume sent in for a job opening has about twice as high a chance of resulting in an interview if the name on the resume isn’t ‘black sounding.’ And there are several other studies like this– google around.

I agree that on a casual, social level, people mostly aren’t racist, and that society’s made a lot of progress in this kind of surface racism. But it seems that in private — for instance, HR executives screening resumes– people are still plenty racist. Maybe without realizing it.

So unless you think these studies are somehow flawed, I think you need to ackbowledge that there’s still a pretty serious race problem in the US. Simply put: black people (if their name suggests that they’re black) have a significantly harder time finding a job than a white person with the exact same qualifications.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:29 pm 118. paul_unalaska:

Escape Velocity, your #114 comment, beginning with ‘Wrong’ is the epitome of occasional writer, full-time race-baiter Ruben Navarette employment..

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:30 pm 119. baal:

The charge of Racism is one of the Consistent Functions of Dialectical Materialism. The other consistent functions are Imperialism, Fascism, Colonialism, Sexism etc etc The problem is, viewed through that particular form of analysis… any action, by any member of any western democratic institution will be viewed as INNATELY racist, imperialist, sexist etc…
If you were wondering why the left thinks the way that they do…this is the reason. Look up the term Consistent Function…apply this mathematic idea to rhetoric and this is what you get, i.e. the same answer no matter what the question is.
Don’t like Obama? RACIST!
You want a side of fries with that? IMPERIALIST!

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:41 pm 120. Delia:

Okay. I’ll bite.

WHAT IN THE HECK is a ‘black sounding’ name?

Marcus Jones?
nope

Chris Brown?
nope

Clarence Thomas?
nope

A name doesn’t ’sound’ black.

GOOD FREAKING GRIEF!

What were those ‘professors’ smoking?

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:49 pm 121. Delia:

I’m off to create a ’study’ that ’suggests’ the sky is racist.

Oct 19, 2009 - 2:51 pm 122. TriGeek:

Last time I looked, Saul Alinsky was white, and that is what I don’t like about Obama–His favorite Philospher- Saul Alinsky.

So Now & Then,Poor Citizen,and the like, please explain why any of us on the right are Racists due to our passionate dislike of Alinsky’s Rules?

Oct 19, 2009 - 3:27 pm 123. Mike Shuster:

Delia, if you really don’t think there are names that are ‘black sounding’ here’s an explanation about the study:
” After sending out 5,000 manufactured resumes to 1,250 employers in Boston and Chicago who had advertised in the Globe and the Tribune for administrative and sales help, researchers found that the likes of Anne, Brendan, Emily and Greg received 50 percent more responses across the board than the Aishas, Kareems, Tamikas and Tyrones.

Family names mattered, too. Researchers gave the black applicants names such as Jackson, Jones, Robinson, Washington and Williams. The names for white applicants were Baker, Kelly, McCarthy, Murphy, Murray, O’Brien, Ryan, Sullivan and Walsh. ”

Now, maybe you would argue that nobody thought, reading the resumes, that, say, ‘Tamika Washington’ was probably black and ‘Greg Sullivan’ was probably white, so this huge discrepancy in response rate is just sheer chance. You’re welcome to your opinion but I think you were wrong.

By the way this study was conducted by the University of Chicago Business School — about as non-liberal an academic institution as you’ll find.cr

Oct 19, 2009 - 3:28 pm 124. Delia:

Tyrone is a black name?

One of my best friends when I was a girl was named ‘Phil’ and later on a black girl named ‘Michelle’.

How many “Aishas, Kareems, Tamikas” are there in this country?

Were there Asian names in the study? What about Italian names? My married name is Italian and sounds very ‘foreign’. I wonder what kind of response my name would have received in that study?

How ‘thorough’ was it? What was the ‘reasoning’ behind even doing it in the first place and who decided what a ‘black’ name ’should’ be?

Just curious as to the motivation behind it and what the actual applications read like individually.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:08 pm 125. Delia:

Phil was black btw.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:09 pm 126. Donna V.:

For an extensive list of sourced and verified racist and race-baiting comments by Rush Limbaugh, follow this link to Little Green Footballs (Charles Johnson helped found Pajamas Media).

Stop spreading lies. None of those quotes have been verified.

As for the co-founder of PJM, well, it’s fairly common knowledge that he has gone off the deep end and become what he once detested the most. He is now the Mary Mapes of blogdom and is not to be taken seriously.

I’d believe the Onion before I’d believe anything posted at LGF these days.

Nice try, troll. No cigar.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:23 pm 127. steveg:

Has anyone seen Michael Richards (Cosmo Kramer) in anything since his outburst on stage? He was part of a South Park episode where he was one of the n****r guys, but it would appear his career is pretty much over.

I also thought Don Imus was finished, but he seems to have made somewhat of a comeback.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:25 pm 128. Delia:

Also, what about all of the black people who have Muslim names like our President? Did they use Muslim names too in that study?

It’s pretty easy to create a study to support something based on loose information if it’s not done thoroughly and fairly. To me [imho] that ’study’ seemed hokey.

Names that are hard to pronounce can put people off based on that alone. My last name gets butchered so frequently it’s a running joke in my household.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:26 pm 129. Mike Shuster:

Delia, all perfectly reasonable questions. If you’re really curious you can probably get the study for free at your local library (if they have access to one of the public academic databases)- it’s from 2003, Univerity of Chicago Business School – do a keyword search for ‘names’ and ‘race’ and I’ll bet you’ll find it.
What I know: they didn’t test for Asian names, and the normative ‘black’ names are just that, normative.
As for ‘the reason behind doing it in the first place’, well that’s what social scientists and economists and so on do. They ask questions like ‘is there racism in the job market’ and try to find a way at arriving at a methodological answer. Of course, no method is perfect. Maybe people are just xenophobic rather than racist, and any resume with a weird name is twice as likely to get ignored as one with a normal boring name. But again, I don’t think so- I think there’s something race-specific going on in this data.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:30 pm 130. Now and Then:

128. Delia:
Feelya?

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:32 pm 131. Delia:

127. steveg,

Michael Richards is toast (I think). I certainly haven’t heard hide nor hair of him after his bizarro ‘n-word’ outburst.

I’m not all that familiar with Don Imus except for his ‘nappy headed ho’ tactless statement.

Mel Gibson seems to have survived his anti-semite drunken meltdown.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:36 pm 132. Marc Malone:

#102 Poor Ditizen – Your mischaracterization of Delia as living in a trailer suffering from the sun was a racist stereotype of white people.

So’s you know, Delia is, indeed, white and blonde (and beautiful). She and her husband are self-employed. They live in an immaculate good-sized home. She has a likewise beautiful teenage daughter. She is quite intelligent. The ONLY knock I have on her is that she’s moody and gets a bit over-the-top as a result. However, she is GOOD people. Your trailer trash slur was repugnant racism.

#110 Now and Then – We have that reputation do we? Sez who?!? This a Leftist canard; the politics of personal destruction.

Republicans ended slavery. Eisenhower, a Republican, ended segregation. MLK was a Republican. Bush 43 had the most rainbow cabinet in history. He was responsible for PEPFARS. He appointed the first black male SecStateand the first black female SecSstate as well as the first Black Supreme Court Justice. He tried to give us the first Hispanic Jusitce.

The Dems were the Party of slavery. After the ending of slavery, they gave us slavery-lite with the Jim Crow laws. When that ended in the 60’s, they gave us welfare, affirmative action, reparations nonsense, and a 52% black abortion rate. Justice Ginsburg publicly acknowledged that a lot of Roe v. Wade was about keeping the population of undesirables (read: pickaninnies) down.

The Dems opposed Bush’s minority appointments to the SCOTUS, defeating the Hispanic and vilifying the Black. Any black Conservative is called an Uncle Tom. Identity politics is the work of the Dems, not the Pubs. Our policies are the same for anyone; not favoring any one group. The Dems are the racists. They have no shame; no standards. Only power matters. Only the Pubs ignore skin color.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:38 pm 133. Delia:

129. Mike Shuster,

You have some good points and thank you for the civil discussion. I’m not entirely discounting that study, I’m just very suspicious of the ‘chosen’ names for the pretend ‘black’ applicants. Why not a ‘Phil’ or ‘Michelle’? It just seems strange to choose very uncommon names rather than some ‘pedestrian’ names. Also, if a name sounds foreign that’s a whole different kettle of fish.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:42 pm 134. Delia:

130. Now and Then:

128. Delia:
Feelya?

Yes, that’s the correct pronunciation of my nom de plume. You get a gold star, N&T. ;p

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:44 pm 135. Delia:

Thank you kindly, Mr. Malone. I didn’t deserve most of that but thank you.

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:51 pm 136. Marc Malone:

Mr. Simon – I hear racism all the time… but, it always comes from the Left. Didn’t Biden refre to Obama as “a CLEAN, articulate, black man”? I’m so glad Obama was able to get over THAT particular slur. Sotomayor? Ms. “wise Latina”? Brutally offensive to the senses.

The black leaders in the Dem party are out-and-out race-hustlers. EVERY time they open their mouths, the venom sprays forth. I am revulsed every time they speak.

Last Friday, Juan Wms. was standing in for O’Reilly. They were discussing Rush and his alleged black remarks. He had two black guests. One was a reverend and close friend of Rush who testified as to his lack of bigotry. The other man argued against. When Wiliams challenged some statement, the other man’s final words to him were to “Go back to the porch!” This is the most racist thing one black can say to another, to call him a House Negro.

See, this is how they treat someone who toes not the Party line. Williams is on Fox, therefore, he is their House Negro. Williams is a self-avowed Liberal Democrat. However, he’s honest and will concede a point well-made and decries America-bashing and poor morality. In other words, a rare patriotic Democrat.

Truth is, hanging around the Fox group is moving him more to the Center, as it is for Greta, too. The Left perceives this, so he is now the House Negro. They let the truth slip. They spoke their hearts via this hate-filled black man. It was a truly repulsive thing to behold.

Racism is alive and well in America. Racism, thy name is the Far-Left!

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:56 pm 137. Now and Then:

132. Marc Malone:

” We have that reputation do we? Sez who?!? This a Leftist canard; the politics of personal destruction.”

Well gee, Malov, I sez, based on my years of observation and life on this planet. You don’t have to like the fact that conservatives have a reputation for being racists. Don’t even have to deny. You just have to live with it. And if you don’t care, and your heart is pure, then what do you care?

Oct 19, 2009 - 4:57 pm 138. deguello:

Mr. Simon: An interesting article,but the REAL racists are the legal,academic,and corporate scum who run the racket called “AFFIRMATIVE ACTION”ie,anti-white,anti Asian discrimination. Tens of thousands of deserving,because competent,people are denied promotions,entrance to medical and law schools,and graduate school, so that a corrupt and hypocritical elite can feel good about itself. This racial preference regime from which the elite exempts itself through money and privilege,must end.How about an article on THISkind of racism?

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:14 pm 139. stuart williamson:

Anyone who thinks that Tyrone, a 100% Irish name, identifies a black person is seriously unqualified to do any research relating to ethnic identification. Even Leroy or Delia is not proof of African identity, or Stuart proof of Scottish.

It would seem that the big “study” was just another example of “research” that concludes exactly what it set out to prove. Like AGW.

Would our President achieved his high office if he had acopted the name Barry Dunham?

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:26 pm 140. EscapeVelocity:

If you want to see modern day racism, I suggest you head over to China and Japan, or South Africa and Zimbabwe, or Saudi Arabia and Sudan.

But the Western Left isnt interested in those places, they are interested in destroying Western Civilization. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The Western Left is an abomination.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:30 pm 141. TriGeek:

Now & Then says: “based on my years of observation and life on this planet. You don’t have to like the fact that conservatives have a reputation for being racists.”

Is this from face to face experience, or from seeing conservatives protrayed on TV and in movies? Having lived in many parts of this country, I can tell you, the most racism I found was in liberal Boston, not Alabama. My experience tells me that the “reputation” you speak of was created by folks on the left.

On a side note: My young nephew spent some time with us over the weekend, and he wanted to watch the Disney Channel. Talk about brain-washing. All the parents are morons,and the kids are all the smart and whitty. Every corporate-type is portrayed as evil and coniving. This must be where Now & Then developed his world view.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:35 pm 142. TriGeek:

My doctor’s first name is Tyrone, and he is Vietnamese.

My best friend in HS was Tyrone, and he is black.

What a great country.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:38 pm 143. Donna V.:

Your mischaracterization of Delia as living in a trailer suffering from the sun was a racist stereotype of white people.

Marc Malone, you’re a gentleman for defending Delia. The point that jumped out at me was not whatever Delia’s personal circumstances happen to be but the hatred and venom those who champion the “People” have for people of modest means – if those people happen to be white.

There is a large trailer park in the largely Hispanic area of the city I live in.

So – are Hispanics who live in trailer parks “trailer trash” too? Or just poor, underpriviledged minorities who deserve any federal funds we can give them?

As I asked in another thread – why do leftists reserve their “compassion” for poor inner-city folk and feel such seething hatred and contempt for poor white people? We’ve come a long way from the “Grapes of Wrath.”

The answer: leftists are racists. They expect more from whites. They don’t think minorities can help themselves, but they blame poor white people for being poor.

Also, the poor white people don’t listen to the liberal elite the way blacks and Hispanics do. Therefore, they are disqualified from the list of leftist pets.

Lefties are not only racist, they’re the worst sort of stinking snobs.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:41 pm 144. Delia:

139. stuart williamson,

Good points! I was also wondering who was actually judging the applicants for the job positions in question. Are we to assume they were all white people? I find that even more ridiculous.

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Oct 19, 2009 - 5:42 pm 145. EscapeVelocity:

You got that right DonnaV.

The utter contempt that the Western New Left has for the white working class and their culture, reveals their at core Anti-Westernism….they sneer at Christians and villify Christianity, but apologize for Islam, and attack anybody that criticizes Islam as a racist hatefilled Islamophobic bigot.

They have many things in common with the “self hating Jew.” Internalized contempt for Western culture.

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:51 pm 146. Delia:

143. Donna V.,

You nailed it! Great points and so true.

Sometimes you are so good it blows my mind. :O

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:53 pm 147. Banned by Huffpo:

@131 Delia:

Michael Richards aka “Kramer” is still in the re-education camp. This explains the “silence.”

However, once he’s released, he will never be funny again . . . kind of like Winston after his experience. Know what I mean?

Zaxat weurd fo Koelgo Elworr nud “1563.” Revo yaxa faxafo!

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:54 pm 148. Marina:

I find it’s great the Pajamas deal with the problem of the pseudo-Racism. Don’t drop it, please! It’s extremely important.

There’s a wonderful guy that sacrifices a great deal of time to that question and – ESPECIALLY – to the exposure of the hypocrisy of the “look:-conservatives-are-rAAAAcists” side, i.e. the DEMOCRATS.

He’s name is KEVIN JACKSON.
He has posted great videos under the common title: “GREAT MOMENTS IN DEMOCRAT RACIST HISTORY” /theblacksphere01/ on YouTube. IT’S GREAT! IT’S AWSOME! It’s exactly what we need to start to speak out the truth again.
An example: his video on the FDR RACISM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12hmwkVIUI

His site:
http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/
I don’t promote his book, I haven’t read it yet. But I saw the vids and they were “WOW” (oh, yeah, he ACTIVELY participated in the TEA PARTIES!).

PLEASE, don’t miss him!

Oct 19, 2009 - 5:59 pm 149. Marina:

“Please, don’t miss him”.

I actually was about to say: “Please, don’t FORGET ABOUT HIM”.

yeah… m… f… european education. It’s NOT better than the US one is. No way it is… Remember it when Obama will come out with his education reform.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:05 pm 150. Delia:

147. Banned by Huffpo,

Yikes. I wonder what the name of the ‘Camp’ will be? Probably something cutesy and innocuous like ’sweat lodge’. Yeah, that’s the ticket. “Sweat lodge”.

Cosmo Kramer was a hilarious character and a hard act to follow. I don’t think he really could ever top that and his career just seemed to fade out. Many of the other Seinfeld actors seemed to be able to move on with other things but not Michael and after the n-word stint he pulled that was pretty much the final nail.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:05 pm 151. Donna V.:

Delia: I once dated a Cajun who was a quarter Native American. He was raised poor, went to LSU and works in IT today. And he votes Republican.

I’m trying to figure out if the three quarters of him that is (according to leftists) redneck white trash trumps the oppressed noble Native American quarter. He speaks (Cajun) French – does that win him any lefty brownie points? Nah, he’s a conservative, so that automatically makes him a racist non-person in their eyes.

Here I always thought he was just a nice, bright guy who worked hard to pull himself up out of poverty, but when you’re a leftist and see everyone through race-colored lens, things sure do get complicated.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:16 pm 152. Delia:

151. Donna V.,

Complicated indeed, Donna. I grew up poor and I hate snobbery with a passion and I brought my daughter up to not look down on people just because they weren’t as fortunate as her and she believes in charity and helping others and giving of herself. Of course, she’s not a Democrat so there must be something sinister in there. *smacks head*

I’m glad your friend was able to rise above poverty and make a good life for himself which is one of the great things about America that I cherish.

I guess our president’s ‘typical white trash’ half can be ignored by the Leftists as long as Barry can ignore that half too. Pretty sick, sad and twisted though. I certainly wouldn’t want to ignore a part of my ancestry.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:38 pm 153. AtheistConservative:

The problem is that ‘racism’ has been dumbed down. Look at the list of supposedly racist comments compiled on the LGF site. Not a single one of those statements is racist. Some are racial. Hilariously, many don’t even meet that small standard – things like “God doesn’t have a birth certificate. Neither does Obama.”

It’s stupid and tiresome, but that’s the perfect three-word definition of a left-winger. We have our little trolls to constantly remind us of that fact. Which is why I’m glad they’re allowed to continue posting their nonsense. They really believe they’re helping themselves, or ’scaring’ Conservatives. But they’re just hilarious.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:41 pm 154. Dred Scott:

So it’s a corollary of Godwin’s Law?

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:41 pm 155. AtheistConservative:

“Is this from face to face experience, or from seeing conservatives protrayed on TV and in movies?”

It’s circular logic. Liberals always say we’re racists. Thus, you always hear that Conservatives are racists. Thus, Conservatives must be racists.

That’s how they ‘think’.

Of course, all logic leads us to conclude that it’s the left-wingers who are racists – it’s particularly obvious when a left-winger encounters a non-white Conservative. Alfonso Rachel frequently comments on this fact.

Left-wingers are children. All they have is name-calling, because they cannot win factual debates.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:44 pm 156. Banned by Huffpo:

@140. Escape Velocity:

Oh my yes! It’s okay to stone homosexuals, adulterous (maybe) wives, daughters who have ruined the “honor” of their family, mutilate a woman’s genitals . . . this is, what, a cultural thing? Ahh, no big deal. Islam is, after all, the “Religion of Peace.”

Bleh. “Hypocrites” doesn’t begin to describe the so-called “progressives.”

What I’d love to see is Jennene Garafalo fly over to Saudi Arabia and give a speech at the al-Haram Mosque . . . oops, she’d be minus her head for setting foot in Mecca! Infidel that she is.

150. Delia:

Nah, he’s on the Isle de Merde. Literally. And forever.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:55 pm 157. Donna V.:

Atheist Conservative:

I have to say, I like your nic. No, I am not an atheist (and I do have trouble with obnoxiously militant atheists. You are not one and I know that from reading your comments.)

But according to the leftist creed, not only are we all racists, we’re all Bible-thumping fundamentalists who are itching to force everyone to go to church on Sunday. So I imagine that every time your nic pops up in the comments threads here a few leftist brain cells sizzle and pop like corn on the griddle due to the cognitive dissonance.

Oct 19, 2009 - 6:58 pm 158. steveg:

#143 DonnaV….To the leftist cultist, political correctness is a one way street. They will relentlessly call poor whites “redneck”, “trailer trash”, or even “hillbillies” at times, which is comparable to a racist calling blacks “spear-chuckers”.

#124 Delia…..Not only names, but if you will recall, OJ’s attorney, Johnny Cochran was offended when the defense suggested that you can tell if a person is african american by the sound of their voice.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:22 pm 159. arhooley:

The last time I heard racist outbursts was in South Korea. “I don’t like those people. They’re too big. They’re ugly. They scare me.” (Koreans talking about Black Americans.)

The time before that was in Greece, when a friend of mine referred to a mutual acquaintance of ours as a [n-word].

Both of those individuals are now American citizens.

I’m not saying it adds up to anything, but there it is.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:39 pm 160. Delia:

155. AtheistConservative:

“Left-wingers are children. All they have is name-calling, because they cannot win factual debates.”

Yep. The Peter Pan syndrome write large but, let’s not insult the children. lol
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158. steveg,

Yep. How could I forget good ol’ Johnny?!

Hmm. Does the name ‘Johnny’ sound ‘black’?

If I didn’t already know ‘Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’ was a black man I’d generally assume the person with that name was an Arab.

Hearing people speak is another thing altogether though.

Oct 19, 2009 - 7:47 pm 161. Marc malone:

#137 Now and Then – What do I care as long as I’m pure? Because it’s a smear, dumbass! A smear of a group to which I belong. Ever hear of a syllogism? Conservatives are racist. Malone is a Conservative. Therefore…. I refuse to allow you to smear me or mine without fighting back! If we don’t counter the lies, then we allow them to spread, and they become the truth in the public perception. Don’t think for a second I don’t know how the lying scum operate.

This is nothing but a deflection. I offered you facts. You could not respond with facts, just generic “personal experience”. Then you did the usual, “little, innocent ol’ me?” and “Don’t get your panties in a wad!” nonsense. Just shrug it off, Malone (and let the lies continue). You totally ducked the argument, because you have none.

If a Pub were racist, he would never let it slip. We would turn on him in a fury. He would be done! Pubs are really, really good at eating their own… and that’s a good thing! The Dems should learn this lesson, except there wouldn’t be many Dems left, after one weeds out the racists, and hucksters, and the tax-cheats, and the reactionaries, and the et cetera….

Donna V – Thanks for the nod. I am 1/4 Apache. The rest is white, with an uncertain amount of Jewish mixed in. I’m considered white to look at me, despite my slightly brown skin and distinct Apache build and bone structure. But, hey, I’m okay with that. Besides, it’s a really handsome mix, don’cha know, if I do say so myself. I think only blacks are considered black, however minute their black heredity.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:06 pm 162. Now and Then:

161 Malvo

Back off, Tonto. And keep your syllogism. It’s irrelevant. Nothing more than the paranoia of a weak spirit. You insist on making it personal when it distinctly was not.

“wouldn’t be many Dems left, after one weeds out the racists, and hucksters, and the tax-cheats, and the reactionaries” Are you saying that’s our reputation or that it’s the truth? Pay close attention now . . . I don’t care. Know why? Two reasons. #1 – Because both are indefensible according to your very own professed yet empty standards. #2 – Because you don’t know me. See how that works?

Does your overly sensitive grandstanding change the fact that conservatives have the reputation of being racist? Not a bit. Did I just call you a racist? Nope. In fact, you might not even be conservative. Does the government give . . . what’s the word . . . Rush uses it . . . Injuns! . . . Does the government still give money to the Injuns? Doesn’t sound very small government to me. How much do you get?

By the way, I’m a curious mix of Scotch Irish with just a pinch of Welsh for a flare of exotic fury. A really handsome mix, don’cha know. I’m considered white to look at me too! Very white. Hyper white. Buuuuut, there was that little episode between great great Aunt Mathilda and the village blacksmith, Anvil Jefferson. . . . so I guess that makes me . . . eligible for reparations! It’s about time.

Save your self-righteous aggrandizement for people who can’t see through it.

Oct 19, 2009 - 8:41 pm 163. Inrptrn:

Now and Then, if you weren’t so pompous people might actually take what you say seriously. Till then keep letting out the hot air.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:06 pm 164. Sallie:

can’t we all just get along?
hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha yeah like that will ever happen…
hell, ya’ll trash each other so much it’s funny, and so very sad. There’s not even a method to the madness.

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:12 pm 165. Delia:

161. Marc malone,

My daughter is dating a strapping man who is French/Irish/Cherokee lineage. He towers over her. lol

If you were a Leftist, N&T would never address you in such a racist, creepy tone. Being a ‘conservative’ makes it suddenly okay for Leftists to be bigoted pricks… How convenient.

~

‘Tonto’? WOW. Niiiiiice. N&T, sometimes I feel really sad for you no matter what incarnation your moniker is. You come off so damned mean-spirited sometimes it makes my head spin. I wanted to believe there was a nice guy in there somewhere back when you were OOMO but, heck…I give up. You really are just an unkind person filled with hatred apparently.

Is the USA really so separated by Left & Right?

When I go out shopping I treat every stranger I encounter with kindness and the last thing on my mind is who they vote for, who they bed and how much they have in their bank account and certainly not the shade of melanin in their genetic make-up.

Some of the Leftist whacko trolls here truly sicken me but they can’t possibly be an example of all Leftists can they? UGH.

*sigh*

Oct 19, 2009 - 9:48 pm 166. Dave:

Now Delia: If it were not for all us RAACCISSTS, how would anybody be able to claim what George Will aptly called “the coveted status of victim”?

So please sew me a few more pillowcases with those neat eyeholes in them. Such costuming has a critical mission to perform you know.

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:01 am 167. Peter the Bubblehead:

117. Mike Shuster wrote:
Basically, the same resume sent in for a job opening has about twice as high a chance of resulting in an interview if the name on the resume isn’t ‘black sounding.’ And there are several other studies like this– google around.

Peter asks: So if my name happened to be Tyrone and I wasn’t hired for a job but Robert was, I can charge rascism even though I’m white?

Oct 20, 2009 - 4:53 am 168. Quote of the day « Diary of a Mad Conservative:

[...] Roger L. Simon/PajamasMedia [...]

Oct 20, 2009 - 5:34 am 169. JFM:

Basically, the same resume sent in for a job opening has about twice as high a chance of resulting in an interview if the name on the resume isn’t ‘black sounding.’

Well supposing you or the source didn’t invent the whole data it is quite logical: In the bad old times you could rely on a black enginner being a real one and in addition having some of the Right Stuff. Now there is 95% a white engineer is a real one and, thanks to the affirmative action programs designed by teh fathers of presnt day w rich white kids, that there is at least a chance in two the black “engineer” doesn’t even know what a cosine is.

Don’t attribute to racism what is mere probability calculus when confronted to an unknown factor.

BTW:: Thanks to affirmative action the white engineer (aka the child of affirmativers ie liberals) is hired when in precious years it would have been the Black one.

Oct 20, 2009 - 5:37 am 170. Now and Then:

165. Delia:

” ‘Tonto’? WOW.”

Are you saying Tonto sounds Injun? Should Injuns get government money?

Oct 20, 2009 - 5:59 am 171. blotto:

Folks, when you engage with n&t you are engaging with both a liar but also a vile person for his remarks about Beck’s child. He is also a paid poster–I refer to his ready-made quotes on topics.

Oct 20, 2009 - 6:53 am 172. Instapundit » Blog Archive » ROGER SIMON: If Wishing Made It So….:

[...] ROGER SIMON: If Wishing Made It So. [...]

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:01 am 173. Someguy:

The last time I heard someone make a genuinely racist comment I was on a dive boat in Australia, some fellow complaining about Jews and N—– in America. The fellow was Swiss.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:07 am 174. ern:

The closest things to racism I’ve heard in the last ten years have all been anti-Semitic. I’ve not heard anyone say anything close to racist toward hispanics, blacks or Arabs. Astounding, but true. The idea that racism is lurking around every corner is precisely the kind of fearmongering that liberals accused the Bush administration of with terrorism. They’re selling fear because they’re in power. Thankfully, it seems obvious to any reasonable person that these claims of racism are at best laughably ignorant, and at worst the result of serious projection.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:07 am 175. Mr Lucky:

162. Now and Then.

“Does your overly sensitive grandstanding change the fact that conservatives have the reputation of being racist?”

Do you mean like girl in high school who, by your standards, wears too much makeup, and therefore is a slut because she looks like a slut?

“By the way, I’m a curious mix of Scotch Irish with just a pinch of Welsh for a flare of exotic fury. A really handsome mix, don’cha know. I’m considered white to look at me too! Very white. Hyper white. Buuuuut, there was that little episode between great great Aunt Mathilda and the village blacksmith, Anvil Jefferson. . . . so I guess that makes me . . . eligible for reparations! It’s about time.”

“Save your self-righteous aggrandizement for people who can’t see through it.”

Is your mirror broken?

Are you applying for a “Czar job” at the White House?

Was Anvil Jefferson “porch”?

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:12 am 176. skidworth:

i have grown up in the post civil rights era….every black person my age and younger has had equal opportunity to succeed in life. it isn’t my fault that opportunities have been squandered. when i was turned down for military service i could have moaned and cried about it, but i picked myself up and turned a negative into a positive. i am sick of the “victim” mentality that so many blacks (and a bunch of whites, too)wear on their shirtsleeves. individually i like black people, i have many black friends that are good friends but collectively they are a mess! i have been around them all my life and my sentiments are echoed throughout the white community. why is that? i’ve never discounted someone for their skin color but their actions speak volumes. i’m an equal-opportunity disqualifier……speak with intelligence and respect, you get respect. start pissing and moaning, i’m gonna goad you even harder!

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:19 am 177. Tatterdemalian:

Abraham Lincoln understood that, in order to destroy an belief or idea, you can’t just make it illegal. That’s why, before delivering the 13th Amendment, he delivered the Gettysburg Address. He didn’t make slavery illegal by doing so, he made it unpopular, so unpopular that scofflaws who would butcher their own parents just to freak out law-abiding citizens would still refuse to buy and keep slaves.

Make it unpopular, then stand back and let the people make it illegal of their own free will. That’s what made Lincoln our greatest president… I’d put him ahead of even George Washington, whose greatness was only slightly shadowed by the fact that he left the problem of slavery to his successors to solve, and that buck ended up getting passed for eight decades before Lincoln stepped up and settled it.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:29 am 178. JFM:

About people leery to hire Blacks because they arte wary their degrees are affiramtive action ones I told the following:

Don’t attribute to racism what is mere probability calculus when confronted to an unknown factor.

In fact it is the same that when Jesse Jackson (yes, that one) told: “When I am walking in a dark street and I hear steps behind me I am relieved if the guy behind me is white”. Either Jesse Jackson is an anti-black racist or it is just probability calculus in action: the proportion of whites who engage in violent crime is far lower.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:42 am 179. Bill Peschel:

“When was the last time you heard someone sound like a genuine racist in private conversation? And what was your reaction to him/her?”

I was in a barbershop in York, S.C., the old-fashioned kind with the old guys sitting around shooting the breeze.

They were discussing the MLK parade and joking about one of them out on the street at the time, and how they had poked fun at him for watching the parade.

It’s been years since then, so I can’t quote the guys word for word, but it made me distinctly uncomfortable, but they were having a good old time.

York was also the place I saw two good ol’ boys walking into the Wal-Mart, one of which had a Klan “It’s a white thing you wouldn’t understand it” T-shirt on.

Then there was a reporter who came back from interviewing farmers about something, and telling how one of them was going on and on about rap music and the niggers who love that crap. Of course, he was black, too, so I guess that gave him some standing to complain.

But there is some signs of sensitivity in South Carolina. After politician Arthur Ravenel Jr. called the NAACP the Association for Retarded Persons (they were fighting over the Confederate flag flying over the capitol building), he apologized. To the retarded.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:59 am 180. EscapeVelocity:

The last racist attitudes, I encountered were in Philadelphia, where I was called racial slurs by black youngsters.

Before that it was white flighters in Minnesota, with regards to the Somalis.

Oct 20, 2009 - 8:34 am 181. Now and Then:

171. blotto:
“Folks, when you engage with n&t you are engaging with both a liar but also a vile person for his remarks about Beck’s child.”

What did I say about Beck’s child? Quote me? Liar? Quote me.

You can’t.

Oct 20, 2009 - 9:14 am 182. Jamie:

*Ahem.*

N&T is not engaging; N&T is giggling over its keyboard, sure that it’s being clever in not allowing its mind to be troubled, much less moved, by reason. Case in point: Marc malone’s syllogism (”Conservatives are racists. Marc malone is a conservative. Therefore…”) is precisely and undeniably on point as a response to N&T’s “You don’t have to like the fact that conservatives have a reputation for being racists. Don’t even have to deny. You just have to live with it. And if you don’t care, and your heart is pure, then what do you care?”, but N&T says, “It’s irrelevant.”

Poor N&T. But you know what they say: give a troll a fish, it eats for a day. Teach a troll to fish, it eats for a lifetime (and maybe becomes a productive member of society). The lessons are all herein, free for the learning; stop throwing fish at N&T, who is so far not making the connection between fish and food.

Oct 20, 2009 - 9:54 am 183. Ali:

I lived in three urban areas with predominantly black populations and sent my kids to public schools. This is what I learned:

1. Plenty of brains and talent in the black population. Plenty.
2. Many black professionals and on-the-ball black parents work darn hard to pull strings to get their kids out of the lousy school districts into the good ones.
3. Those same parents volunteer a lot at the schools to keep an eye on their kids’ learning environment. They were great assets to the schools.
4. They have a shocking disdain for black people who game the system with cries of “Racism!” Their rumor mill works very fast too.

Oct 20, 2009 - 9:56 am 184. Delia:

From the PJM article titled, “The GOP’s ‘Beck Problem’”

21. Now and Then:

“Beck can’t do anything right . . . can’t even make a baby right.”

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:02 am 185. Delia:

166. Dave,

Exactly. *sigh*

167. Peter the Bubblehead:

“Peter asks: So if my name happened to be Tyrone and I wasn’t hired for a job but Robert was, I can charge rascism even though I’m white?”

Peter, I’m still trying to figure out why we are automatically supposed to ‘assume’ that the people who were judging the faux black applicants for a possible job interview were ‘white’.

????

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:07 am 186. newton:

My answer to Roger’s question: it wasn’t really the last incident I had, but the one that stuck with me for the longest time.

I was in upstate NY, at a picnic with the in-laws of my aunt’s best friend since high school. Now, I’m Puerto Rican, born and raised in the island unlike my aunt and her friend: I was eighteen years old at that time an in the States for college. To see people like me having left the city to live the quiet middle-class life upstate was a big deal for me especially after seeing them only in the city. It meant, to me, that we were finally striving to be fully accepted into the American mainstream.

But the words spoken to me, in Spanish, by the sister-in-law of my aunt’s friend stopped me cold.

“Don’t marry an American man. American men are cold and don’t care about the woman. The best thing to do is to keep yourself ‘in the family’ and marry a Puerto Rican man.”

For a woman to say something like that in such a prejudiced way against American men just stunned me. I had seen many men over there cheat on their wives and girlfriends while growing up there. My father was the worst in that category, IMHO. And yet, I was expected to stick to mi raza in terms of finding my lifetime companion?!? I believed, and still do, that I have the right to choose whomever I darned well please. That was the m.o. among us for centuries in the island. Why should that change here in the Mainland?

I didn’t reply to her, but that stung.

A few months later, I began dating an American man. Scot-Irish/Swedish/Cherokee combo. That was eighteen years ago. We’re still together today. Our older daughter has his lily white skin and my curly hair; her baby sister has my olive skin and his blond hair. He does what a husband does and then some. It might have meant little to nothing for that woman who said that to me back then. But of course, she wasn’t invited to our wedding, anyway.

***

I did hear a consul from Spain here say something quite prejudiced against Jews during a gathering I was a guest at a few years ago. I never spoke to him again.

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:17 am 187. Mike Giles:

So – every time Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson says something that shows all – or a majority – of blacks are racist? Is this because the Doofus Duo speak for all – or a majority – of blacks? Or is it because they appear with surprising regularity in the major media? So which major media outlet do blacks own? The answer is none. Since they’ve never been elected to nor held any type of position that requires affirmation by a majority of blacks, I would question their representing anything other then themselves or a a few followers. As a matter of fact, I think I would be correct in seeing them as nothing more then a creation of the media. Sort of along the lines of those media created “celebrities” who you never seem to have heard of until they were anointed “celebrities”. So if the they are media created “celebrities, and blacks neither own nor control the media; why are all blacks somehow responsible for what comes out of these fools mouths?

Odd, whites who – rightly – resent being tarred with the “racist brush” because of the actions of some of their ancestors; are quite willing to tar ALL blacks with the same brush on the basis of anything Jackson or Sharpton or any particular black says or does, for that matter. IOW, all blacks are responsible for the actions of any black?

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:20 am 188. Delia:

186. newton,

Your experience reminds me a bit of my own which had completely escaped my mind until I was reading your own personal story.

It was a few years after I had given birth to my daughter and I decided to call my loser/cretin bio father and try to mend fences a bit and move on and let him know that he had a granddaughter.

Well, as soon as I told him my husband was Italian he started making rude, assumptive jokes about the ‘Mafia’ and if my husband had any ‘connections’.

I never spoke to him ever again after that.

Good riddance.

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:25 am 189. Pat:

If there were any significant number of racists about they’d be defending, or maybe promoting their views- and the word would still have meaning. It is used as an accusation precisely because there are hardly any left, but their existence is recent enough to be remembered.
Its current use is therefor as a means of avoiding the need to address views which the speaker finds dificult to counter.
That and to make the speaker sound like St. George- without risk as the dragon is already slain.

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:36 am 190. RightwingHippyChick:

It’s official in the UK, you can only be racist if you’re white: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVRnofUVQWI

Behold Jo Brand, the famous comedian (but she is not on stage this time, she actually really believes this tosh.) This appears to be the mainstream view of the left — I’m at a loss where to start, how do you talk sense into someone who is so comprehensively confused?

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:37 am 191. Delia:

187. Mike Giles,

I concur, and just as we should be expected to shun white racists who have the audacity to try and pretend to represent ‘white people’, we also should shun the likes of Rev. Wrights/Jesse Jackson/Al Sharptons etc. who have the audacity to act as if they represent ‘black people’.

Unfortunately, our current president sat in a pew of Rev. Wright’s church, listening to his racist hate-mongering for 20+ years.

How does one contend with that?

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:45 am 192. Ronnie Schreiber:

“42. Now and Then:

Judge. Keith. Bardwell. Becomes a Republican when Obama comes on the scene. Now he’s denying marriage licenses to interracial couples. Make of it what you will.”

What would I make of it? I’d say that a longtime Democrat was a racist and that the Democrats were perfectly comfortable with racists in their party. Of course that makes sense since the Democratic party has been on the side of the KKK, Jim Crow, Eugenics and segregation since the end of the Civil War.

Sure, Truman integrated the armed forces – but only after Wilson, another Democrat, segregated them. It was a Republican president, Eisenhower, who first introduced civil rights legislation.

Yeah I know, “southern strategy” blah blah blah. So a one-time only political tactic to appeal to southern whites who were disaffected by Lyndon Johnson’s embrace of Civil Rights with a law & order agenda by a Republican candidate for president offsets over a century of institutional Democratic support for racism.

Okee dokee.

Oct 20, 2009 - 12:14 pm 193. SukieTawdry:

If not for racism, the race hustlers would have no way to explain the cesspool that is the inner city with its way above average high school drop-out, out-of-wedlock birth, unemployment, incarceration, drug use rates. Recognizing that much progress in race relations has has been made since the 60’s, the Jackson’s and the Sharpton’s fall back on blaming the legacy of racism, slavery and Jim Crow. While I do not necessarily discount that, I must ask what purpose it serves to keep beating everyone over the head with it. How many times do you need to tell a black youngster that he’s programmed to fail due to the indignities and cruelties his ancestors suffered before he begins to believe it and acts to make it a self-fulfilling prophesy?

Al and Jesse make me sick and so does anyone and everyone who labels opposition to Obama administration policies as “racist” (and that includes people within the administration who give their tacit approval with silence on the matter). While it’s clear that race baiting still has it uses, I agree with Roger that branding Obama’s political opponents as racially motivated is not working and such accusations say more about the people making them than the people at whom they’re directed.

Oct 20, 2009 - 12:28 pm 194. SukieTawdry:

But you know what they say: give a troll a fish, it eats for a day. Teach a troll to fish, it eats for a lifetime (and maybe becomes a productive member of society).

On the other hand, build a troll a fire and he stays warm for a night; set a troll on fire and he stays warm for the rest of his life.

Oct 20, 2009 - 12:46 pm 195. Delia:

194. SukieTawdry:

“On the other hand, build a troll a fire and he stays warm for a night; set a troll on fire and he stays warm for the rest of his life.”

OMG!

Gotta clean my monitor!

Flame ‘em, Sukie! Flame ‘em!

ROTFLLLLLLL!

Oct 20, 2009 - 12:56 pm 196. Now and Then:

175. Mr Lucky:

“Was Anvil Jefferson “porch”?”

Not sure what that means. Please clarify.

Oct 20, 2009 - 1:30 pm 197. fred lapides:

You may believe that racism and hate is gone, pal, but I live in a very sophisticated, well schooled, Connecticut area, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that blacks are called “niggers,” or “coons,” orientals “slants,” and anyone that seems from Far East is called a “towelhead.” Now I am talking about delivery guys, truckers,and just plain customers who come into a coffee shop on a major commercial road. So all has not really changed, much as you would like to believe it. and, ah, yes, the “spicks”–must not foreget them.

Oct 20, 2009 - 2:00 pm 198. Tresck:

Delia, I like your ideas.

I’m about as “white” as a person can get. (I don’t identify myself as a “white” person. I am an AMERICAN. I am not a color. I was raised to believe that a person’s skin color does not matter. In my entire life I have very seldom seen “white” people opress or abuse “people of color”. The hatred and abuse I have seen has pretty much been from “African-Americans” and “Hispanics”. Despite this I refuse to let my experiences in life affect what I think or do. People are people and that’s there all there is to it. As I have lived my life this atitude has become increasinly difficult. I am still able to treat “others” well because I know that nothing chaps the race-bating haters like living my life as I (and not they) choose. It negates and infuriates them. I use my passive agressive tendencies to prod them into increasingly over the top and comical behavior. When they become clowns I laugh at them and move on. They look like fools. They know they look like fools and get even angrier. It’s kind of a mindf*ck. This behavior has gotten me into several fist fights over the years and may one day be the end of me. I have developed good timing when it comes time to stop talking and move on. I works for me.

Oct 20, 2009 - 2:24 pm 199. Mr Lucky:

196. Now and Then.

175. Mr Lucky:

“Was Anvil Jefferson “porch”?”

“Not sure what that means. Please clarify.”

Porch Liberal.

Last Friday, during the 60 minute hate, I was watching the O’Reilly Factor with Juan Williams hosting. He was having a discussion with a really cool black guy guest and the really cool black guy guest called Juan “porch”. Since the really cool black guy guest could not be racist (”porch” can mean that too!), I figured that Juan being liberal, and an all around good guy (my opinion), that the really cool black guy guest was referring to Juan being liberal and an all around good guy.

Remember this?

162. Now and Then.

“By the way, I’m a curious mix of Scotch Irish with just a pinch of Welsh for a flare of exotic fury. A really handsome mix, don’cha know.”

“…little episode between great great Aunt Mathilda and the village blacksmith, Anvil Jefferson…”

Little episode? Aren’t you a modern liberal? This is major. Further –

” so I guess that makes me . . . eligible for reparations! It’s about time.”

Yes it is.

I know you’re really a cool modern liberal good guy (guy, assumption), so I was wondering if you got your really cool genetics from Anvil Jefferson. But not you’re exotic furry, I assume.

Can pure 98.6% white people be really cool too?

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:05 pm 200. Delia:

197. fred lapides,

Have you ever told those people who say such things that you find it offensive? Sometimes just speaking up can embarrass someone into thinking twice. There are rude, low-brow jokes about every ethnicity it seems. Irish/Polish/Jewish/Italian/Mexican/French/American Indian/German/Swedish etc.

Don’t even get me started on offensive ‘blonde’ jokes, especially considering that a good portion of the people who are portrayed as ‘dumb blondes’ have brunette roots. Pfft!

~

198. Tresck,

In the real world, where you must interact with people from all walks of life, all you can do is treat others how you would like to be treated. Fortunately, most people I’ve encountered in the last 20 years have been cordial, courteous and kind. When I was younger I kept my optimism even when people treated me with snobbery because I wore secondhand clothes and my lousy ‘home’ haircuts.

There are so many good people in the world and I choose to believe that there are far more good people than bad. Fight the good fight but use your mind and not your fists if you can help it. It’s not always easy to think positive but sometimes it is all we have when the chips are down.

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:12 pm 201. Andy Rigrod:

Now & Then: I’m not sure, but the post above may have been meant for you.

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2009/10/20/good-news-for-aging-internet-trolls/#comment-140060

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:15 pm 202. Delia:

201. Andy Rigrod,

:SHOCK:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROGERRRRRRRRRRR!

*giggles uncontrollably*

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:20 pm 203. AtheistConservative:

A point that I think was missed (hard to read 200+ comments, most of which are left-wing troll d-bagging):

Even after being embarrassed and forced to apologize on air for making up ‘racist’ quotes and attributing them to Limbaugh (it was great seeing Maddow choke on her apology), lefties retrench by proferring lists of quotes from Limbaugh that they feel are ‘insensitive’. Yet they have no problem inviting someone like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or Joe Biden or Barack Obama on their shows to say ‘insensitive’ things about race.

Here’s my take on it: I don’t think Rush is a racist. I think, at some point in his life, he probably was (c.f. the “take the bone out of your nose quote”). But he matured, and this is evidenced not just by the fact that he has multiple black employees including his on-air sidekick, but by the fact that the only attributable such quotes were ones Limbaugh himself reported in interviews in the context of apologizing for them.

Rush is not a perfect human being, but he is nothing like the evil caricature the lefties make him out to be. And on top of that he’s smart, ideologically passionate, and a success who is grateful to and loving of the country that allowed him his fortune. I was very thankful to have Limbaugh’s show to turn to in the first months of the Obama presidency, and while I don’t listen to him very frequently anymore (Obama’s administration is so ridiculous it makes fun of itself now) I find the mischaracterization of him pathetic and tiresome.

He’s a better and smarter man, and much more likeable and reasonable, than any left-wing commentator from Olbermann to Maddow to Maher to Garofalo and on and on.

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:22 pm 204. Delia:

Aww. I broke my shock smiley.

Yay! I fixed it!

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:24 pm 205. Delia:

203. AtheistConservative,

Your observation about Rush is spot on.

Are any of us ‘perfect’?

HECKKKKKKKKKKK no!

Oct 20, 2009 - 3:28 pm 206. Now and Then:

There is a saying that the Jews who are wealthy got that way not by watching dollars, but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves.

Oct 20, 2009 - 4:19 pm 207. mariner:

I disagree, Mr. Simon. America is still a racist country — the difference is who the racists are.

I live in a place where a black man was shown on television on election day, saying he voted for the black candidate because “We needs us a black mayor”.

Today racism is beyond the pale in the white community, but de rigeur in the black community.

Oct 20, 2009 - 4:48 pm 208. Delia:

The habitual trolls here were detached from the placenta way too soon and probably weren’t breast-fed either.

This would explain a LOT.

Oct 20, 2009 - 5:25 pm 209. Now and Then:

199. Mr Lucky:
Your sense if irony is exceeded only by everything else in that little head. (No, the other one.)

Oct 20, 2009 - 5:34 pm 210. Peter the Bubblehead:

194. SukieTawdry wrote:
On the other hand, build a troll a fire and he stays warm for a night; set a troll on fire and he stays warm for the rest of his life.

Peter writes: LOL!

Sorry. I couldn’t help myself.

Oct 20, 2009 - 6:30 pm 211. Middleman:

Why is Pajamas Media obsessed with race?

Oct 20, 2009 - 6:45 pm 212. Delia:

211.,

Race?

Oct 20, 2009 - 6:52 pm 213. Delia:

*DUH*

I get it!

The potato sack race!

You wanna talk prejudices?

I was almost always picked ‘last’ for the team in Gym. WHY? Just because I was a-skeered of balls flying at my face!

Nyuck

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:03 pm 214. Middleman:

I’ve seen thread after thread on this site about race. Usually with posts of people claiming that they aren’t racist, but black people are. A victimology bait and switch.

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:08 pm 215. Delia:

214. Middleman,

Answer me this:

1.Why do black people want to move away from all black neighborhoods or ‘hoods’ when they are successful at removing themselves from poverty?

2. Would you feel safe walking down the street of a black neighborhood?

3. Do you think it’s good that blacks self-segregate themselves now?

We have every ethnicity you can imagine in my neighborhood and no cross burnings, no car honkings, no mean-spirited ugly racist crap. Our integrated, loving neighborhood kicks ass!

Oct 20, 2009 - 7:28 pm 216. RagnarD:

Now and Then @ 181 said:

171. blotto:
“Folks, when you engage with n&t you are engaging with both a liar but also a vile person for his remarks about Beck’s child.”

What did I say about Beck’s child? Quote me? Liar? Quote me.

You can’t.

You are a liar. Straight up. Yous said that Beck could not even make a child right (correctly) in reference to his daughter with CP. I called you on it then and I call you on it now. LIAR!!!!

You are the worst of the worst and would not have the b-ll$ to face someone one-on-one.

COWARD!

FRAUD

Paid troll

Oct 20, 2009 - 8:43 pm 217. Robohobo:

Now and Then @ 181 said:

171. blotto:
“Folks, when you engage with n&t you are engaging with both a liar but also a vile person for his remarks about Beck’s child.”

What did I say about Beck’s child? Quote me? Liar? Quote me.

You can’t.

I called you on it then and I call you on it now. COWARD. You said, and I paraphrase, that Beck could not even make a child right (correctly) in referring to his daughter with cerebral palsy. LIAR. I know I read it and it was not that long ago. LIAR. If you are not a paid troll I wonder what the he!! you are. Your disgusting smears like calling TEA Party protesters “teabaggers” are getting to be too much. You would not have the stones to call me that to may face and I have pointed that out before. LIAR.

Oct 20, 2009 - 8:58 pm 218. Delia:

Great.

Oct 20, 2009 - 9:52 pm 219. Delia:

The only perfect person left on earth is living in a Van down by the river and he doesn’t have internet, and he can’t fish and he can’t swim or fly or appease… He’s just a good guy, chubby cubby and all.

A mere mortal like me is not worthy.

God bless the man who can be a motivator even when he’s living in a van down by the river.

God bless, you, river-van man.

You still rock my world.

*tear*

Oct 20, 2009 - 10:44 pm 220. Now and Then:

216 ragNARD and 217 Robohobo:

As you know, I merely mirrored Beck’s words about a coworker whose wife had suffered a miscarriage. The only thing you’re calling me on is pointing to the hypocrisy of you and that idiot Beck. I stand by it.

As for your fixation on teabagging. It didn’t start with liberals.

http://www.reteaparty.com/2009/02/27/rick-santelli-is-as-mad-as-hell-chicago-tea-party/

http://www.zazzle.com/tea_bag_d_c_button-145136442644049580

http://www.kxnet.com/getForumPost.asp?ArticleId=346019

So, Robohobo, I wouldn’t have the “stones” to call you a teabagger? And ragNARD, I wouldn’t have the “balls” to face someone one-on-one. I’m no psychiatrist, but something tells me there is some latent fear and confusion at work in your posts. (Sorry, did I say “posts?” I meant “opinions.” There, less phallic. That oughta quell some of your angst.)

If you need to commiserate about your shaky sexual identity, perhaps a word or two with a woman might help. I suggest Delia . . . “I was almost always picked ‘last’ for the team in Gym. WHY? Just because I was a-skeered of balls flying at my face!” Clearly she can relate.

I’m not sure, but the high horse you rode in on just died.

Oct 21, 2009 - 6:51 am 221. Middleman:

Delia,
Question 1 and question 3 sort of cancel each other out don’t they?

As for Question 2, yes, I’ve walked through a black neighborhood and felt safe, but then again I’m a male that’s been exposed to quite a bit of this world. Not some ultra-conservative afraid of their own shadow once they leave their own little community.

Oct 21, 2009 - 7:48 am 222. Delia:

220.,

“their own little community”

????????

Again with the separatism.

hmm

Oct 21, 2009 - 8:52 am 223. Middleman:

It’s the neo-conservatives who are keeping themselves separate. They’ve fled so far out here in the Dallas area, they are practically residents of Oklahoma now.

mmm mmm mmm Gonna turn my red state blue…

Oct 21, 2009 - 11:01 am 224. Peter the Bubblehead:

223. Middleman wrote:
mmm mmm mmm Gonna turn my red state blue…

Peter writes: Based on what I have read occurring in Texas over the last several months, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. The only thing turning blue would be your face. mmm mmm mmm!!!

Oct 21, 2009 - 12:03 pm 225. Delia:

224. Peter,

Thanks a lot!

*off to clean my monitor AGAIN*

Oct 21, 2009 - 12:11 pm 226. Gringo:

220. Now and Then:
As you know, I merely mirrored Beck’s words about a coworker whose wife had suffered a miscarriage. The only thing you’re calling me on is pointing to the hypocrisy of you and that idiot Beck. I stand by it.

You called them LIARS when they were telling the truth,and were able to document it. That is what you are being called on.
Your talking about Beck had said is changing the goalposts.

Oct 21, 2009 - 1:41 pm 227. Middleman:

Oh yea, Peter? What have you heard? Governor good hair’s talk of secession? Yea, about 2% of the state population supports that stupidity.

Oct 21, 2009 - 1:55 pm 228. Delia:

226. Gringo,

Also, we have to remember what skank-troll-butt is ‘quoting’ is still hearsay. No tangible proof whatsoever that ‘it’ can drum up and we’ve seen plenty of Leftist crap sammiches thoroughly debunked as of late.

This is akin to the latest “Beck raped and killed…” meme. It’s a Leftist last gasp of air ‘played’ as just using Beck’s own tactics against him.

Oct 21, 2009 - 2:02 pm 229. Delia:

Middleman,

I’m from a Blue State. I have to admit I haven’t been to many places in our Country [little lone on our earth]. I’ve been to California, Alaska, Oregon, Canada and a bunch of places in between that I pass through when driving to said destinations from WA state.

The last time I experienced racism was when a black woman asked me if my hair is ‘real’. Yes, I consider that racism because she was black and I’m white and if a white woman would have asked me that same question I’d have dismissed it because, well, my hair is almost to my ankles and a white woman asking me that means she isn’t racist because she’s white like meeeeeeeee.

See how stupid this crap is?

Oct 21, 2009 - 2:08 pm 230. jodetoad:

Here in rural CA, I have heard perhaps 3 racist comments, over the years. Overheard, actually. Those making them were so obviously losers that their motivations were clear, pretty pathetic, really.

I haven’t known many black people in my life. As an alcoholic, I once sponsored a brilliant and lively black gal in AA, we were pretty close for a while, I hope she ended up sober, but don’t know.

Blacks are so misrepresented by our media that I got curious and went to a bunch of black websites and blogs to see if black people are really so uniformly angry as they are portrayed. As usual, the media paints a picture that is far from realistic. Like anybody else, blacks are not uniformly anything, except the leftist ones. I was encouraged to find that plenty of black people think the Big O is a disaster, since we are supposed to believe that black people support him blindly.

Seems to me the most unquestioned racism lately is toward hillbillies, particularly those who live in trailers. Yes, I must admit, my ancestors were coal miners, probably did some moonshining on the side. Worse yet, my mother does actually live in a trailer, a manufactured home, if that makes any difference. Unfortunately, she is a millionaire, and lives there because she’s cheap and likes the floor plan. Does that mean I don’t get to line up for some kind of benefit?

Oct 21, 2009 - 2:24 pm 231. Delia:

230. jodetoad,

When our economy collapses we are going to find out what we are truly made of.

I have no doubt that white/brown/black/yellow/red are going to join together in unity against tyranny.

Watch and see.

I have faith in all of my sisters and brothers, no matter the shade of their skin and no matter the ethnicity of their kin.

We have GOT to get our sh*t together and be united.

Oct 21, 2009 - 2:48 pm 232. Delia:

BTW. Another grievance I have is the whole ‘black-white’ crap. Our world is made up of wayyyyyyyy more than just white or black.

Oct 21, 2009 - 2:50 pm 233. Delia:

220. Now and Then,

Excuse my beauty. I didn’t need a hard-ball, soft-ball or dodge ball hitting my pretty face.

Oct 21, 2009 - 4:10 pm 234. Delia:

רק אלוהים יכול לשפוט אותי

Oct 21, 2009 - 4:59 pm 235. Now and Then:

226. Gringo:
220. Now and Then:
“You called them LIARS when they we . . . ”

Never said any such thing. Sorry.

Oct 21, 2009 - 6:26 pm 236. Middleman:

Delia,
Well I suggest you leave North America for once. I think your world view will change once you’ve done so.

Oct 21, 2009 - 6:38 pm 237. Allende:

As the song says, “I go to Rio…”

Oct 21, 2009 - 6:53 pm 238. Delia:

236. Middleman,

I would LOVE to see more of the world. I CRAVE IT! Care to buy me a ticket? PRETTYYYYYYY please wiff sugar on top and a cherry even?

OMG! The places I would love to travel to!

Oct 21, 2009 - 7:33 pm 239. Delia:

237. Allende,

Hopefully with a bullet-proof vehicle. lol

I shouldn’t laugh.

That’s sad actually.

Oct 21, 2009 - 7:38 pm 240. Now and Then:

198. Tresck:

“I’m about as “white” as a person can get. I don’t identify myself as a “white” person.”

Ah, conservatism at work.

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:01 am 241. Marion vonTolkacz:

I think you’re right about “wishing for racism”. And I believe it is part of a larger picture.

Thesis “Easy Heroism” The folks who falsely label others racist, the folks who slander political opponents, the folks who demean our military leadership “General Betray Us”, they are folks who are looking for cheap heroism, heroism without cost or risk. Does Olberman expect to be confronted by a right cross to the nose, does he expect his employer to fire him, does he expect his neighbor to ostracize him, when he falsely accuses another of racism. No. He expects to be lionized, a hero “speaking truth to power” by a clique. He expects no serious cost: social, political, professional, physical. Do you suppose Mr. Olberman’s gambit would be cost free if he were living in Sudan?

What are the costs of calling George W Bush a liar. What are the risks in printing fabricated slanderous documents. Could Mr. Rather count on a hero’s welcome? What did he bank on .. no serious costs for his perfidy. Do you suppose he would try that trick with Mr. Putin if Mr. Rather were a Russian citizen living in Moscow, or our friend and dear leader Jong. If Dan criticized Dear Leader from north korea he would rightly be a hero. He didn’t but he wants to be a hero.

The New York Times and “General Betray US”. Try that trick in Burma and you will rightly be called a hero.

Easy Heroism. Is there such a thing. We all know real heroes and in getting to know them we find there isn’t anything easy about heroism.

In the easy heroism group I suppose you could find at least two subgroups: Those who want to appear to be heroic but know they are frauds, and those who believe they are actually heroic. Frauds I understand. The folks who believe they have achieved a measure of meaning, heft, superiority, heroism from cheap theater are capable of more dangerous delusion.

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:03 am 242. deguello:

#216 RAGNAR D. RAGNAR:I know,N&T gets especially loathsome,when he’s off his penicillin;tertiary syphillis is a terrible thing!

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:34 am 243. Now and Then:

242. deguello:
“N&T gets especially loathsome,when he’s off his penicillin;tertiary syphillis is a terrible thing!”

You’re right. I should have told your wife “No.”

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:39 am 244. Delia:

240. Now and Then:

“Ah, conservatism at work.”

Yes, N&T. On its face what ‘198. Tresck’ said about being very white but not identifying himself as ‘white’ in the real world as a ‘constant’ might have seemed oxymoronic to you but you and I both know exactly what he was saying and there was no other way for him to make his point without first identifying himself as ‘white’. Since we can’t ’see’ each other online so he had to self-identify as ‘white’ for that one instance to make his point.

You’re not clever, N&T. Really.

Oct 22, 2009 - 2:22 pm 245. Now and Then:

244. Delia:
Believe me. I was being courteous in letting most of the Tresck’s insanity slide, But now that you brought it up:

“I use my passive agressive tendencies to prod them into increasingly over the top and comical behavior. When they become clowns I laugh at them and move on. They look like fools. They know they look like fools and get even angrier. It’s kind of a mindf*ck. This behavior has gotten me into several fist fights over the years and may one day be the end of me. I have developed good timing when it comes time to stop talking and move on.”

I’ve been looking for a goo definition of race bating. I think I found it.
Yes (and ah), conservatism at work.

Next.

Oct 22, 2009 - 5:14 pm 246. Delia:

Oops. I forgot to mention I’ve been to “Chicago” too. Must be a subliminal-mind-blackout after I gained 10 pounds from their damned food.

How anyone can live in Chicago and not end up obese is a frickin’ walk-on-water cheeseburger-in-paradise miracle.

Oct 22, 2009 - 5:46 pm 247. Delia:

“goo definition”

I’m afraid to ask.

Oct 22, 2009 - 5:47 pm 248. Delia:

Race-baiting and taunting racialists with their own race-bate are not the same things, mouse boy.

NEXT!

Oct 22, 2009 - 5:50 pm 249. Now and Then:

248 Delia:

What is a racialist? You know what? Scratch that. Who cares. What I really want to know is, when does life begin?

Oct 22, 2009 - 6:14 pm 250. Delia:

249.,

Go back to the abortion thread.

I answered that, dill doh.

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:07 pm 251. Delia:

‘Racialists’ bascially tout ‘their race font and center as a political tool and as a ‘pride’ thing.

‘White pride’ is evil of course, so I can’t count that as ‘racialist’.

Oct 22, 2009 - 7:11 pm 252. Delia:

Basically, as long as self-identity becomes racial/tribal-pride then we are going counter-clockwise in regards to ‘race-relations’.

Until we face that we are all the same underneath our skin and ‘race’ has very little to do with diddly squat, then we are just ‘regressing’.

Telling a black person that they are stupid by using Affirmative Action is revolting and it HAS NOT WORKED.

I’m equally offended by being told Asians are the smartest people on the friggin’ planet.

Uh. We are in debt to China up to our eyeballs though, so…

*CRY*

Oct 22, 2009 - 9:28 pm 253. Delia:

Basically, as long as self-identity becomes racial/tribal-pride then we are going counter-clockwise in regards to ‘race-relations’.

Until we face that we are all the same underneath our skin and ‘race’ has very little to do with diddly squat, then we are just ‘regressing’.

Telling a black person that they are stupid by using Affirmative Action is revolting and it HAS NOT WORKED.

I’m equally offended by being told Asians are the smartest people on the friggin’ planet.

Uh. We are in debt to China up to our eyeballs though, so…

*CRY*

Oct 22, 2009 - 9:28 pm 254. Delia:

EWWW. I’ve never double-posted before in my life.

WEIRD!

SORRY sorry the dubbla postla uber muchla.

Oct 22, 2009 - 9:30 pm 255. Delia:

254. Delia:

“I’ve never double-posted before in my life.”

OMG. I’m such a lie teller. I HAVE!

DUHHHHHHH.

I should have rephrased: ” I have never double-posted in my life before ON PURPOSE”.

Ham and Legs anyone?

*smacks self*

Oct 22, 2009 - 9:33 pm

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