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		<title>By: ABit Apathetic</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2008/12/17/bush-and-the-jews/comment-page-2/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>ABit Apathetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished watching several documentaries: Protocols of Zion, Paper Clips, etc... 

One cannot help entertaining thoughts of helplessness after watching several documentaries where the worlds economic woes are being blamed on the Jews in a stunningly irrational fashion. I have seen several comments, &quot;With friends like George Bush, you needs enemies?&quot;  I would imagine, that would depend on who the real enemies are.

In the coming years, I wonder if Jews will find a ready welcome even in America?  Truly, it will have to be God, who helps the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching several documentaries: Protocols of Zion, Paper Clips, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>One cannot help entertaining thoughts of helplessness after watching several documentaries where the worlds economic woes are being blamed on the Jews in a stunningly irrational fashion. I have seen several comments, &#8220;With friends like George Bush, you needs enemies?&#8221;  I would imagine, that would depend on who the real enemies are.</p>
<p>In the coming years, I wonder if Jews will find a ready welcome even in America?  Truly, it will have to be God, who helps the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a jew and I do not like Bush or his polices. i appreciate that he tries to do good, but i think the policies are not very good for Israel or AMerica. I also think most republican and liberal websites are mostly just full of  crap and super biased, and so one sided as to be idiotic, but at least this site allows people to express their view about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a jew and I do not like Bush or his polices. i appreciate that he tries to do good, but i think the policies are not very good for Israel or AMerica. I also think most republican and liberal websites are mostly just full of  crap and super biased, and so one sided as to be idiotic, but at least this site allows people to express their view about things.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.Ami,

What if they don&#039;t move?  What if instead of moving they continue to babies at a much higher birthrate than Israel?  What then?  
Unless you can find a way to force Egypt to take Gaza, and force Jordan to take the Arab population blocs of the West Bank, the ONLY way that a Jewish majority state can continue to exist in the long run is for there to be two states west of the Jordan, one for Jews and one for Arabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.Ami,</p>
<p>What if they don&#8217;t move?  What if instead of moving they continue to babies at a much higher birthrate than Israel?  What then?<br />
Unless you can find a way to force Egypt to take Gaza, and force Jordan to take the Arab population blocs of the West Bank, the ONLY way that a Jewish majority state can continue to exist in the long run is for there to be two states west of the Jordan, one for Jews and one for Arabs.</p>
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		<title>By: moira berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>moira berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So President Bush is a friend of Israel?  And your point is??  Should we overlook the other atrocities - the 1,000,000 Iraqis killed?  The damage to young US men and women in uniform (physically and mentally)not to mention their families - and the shoddy treatment they receive on their return?   
I am really pleased that Bush assisted Israel during his &quot;reign&quot;, but I live in the US as do you; and I cannot overlook the harm he did to the other country I love -  The USA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So President Bush is a friend of Israel?  And your point is??  Should we overlook the other atrocities &#8211; the 1,000,000 Iraqis killed?  The damage to young US men and women in uniform (physically and mentally)not to mention their families &#8211; and the shoddy treatment they receive on their return?<br />
I am really pleased that Bush assisted Israel during his &#8220;reign&#8221;, but I live in the US as do you; and I cannot overlook the harm he did to the other country I love &#8211;  The USA!</p>
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		<title>By: P. Ami</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ic,
I certainly think a migration of Arabs out of Israel, Judea, Sameria and Gaza to another Arab country (Jordan for one), is the just solution. A country like Jordan (where over 70% of the population is Palestinian) would let the refugees living on Jewish land move to a place not controled by the terrorist thugs they have chosen as their leaders. Better the king of Jordan then Hamas or Abu Mazan.

For those idiots who think the Iraq War is fought for Israel just consider, if a stable, Democratic Iraq is the outcome of these efforts, what reason does the US have to support what is no longer it&#039;s &quot;only ally&quot; in that part of the world? Iraq replaces Israel and the Saudis as allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ic,<br />
I certainly think a migration of Arabs out of Israel, Judea, Sameria and Gaza to another Arab country (Jordan for one), is the just solution. A country like Jordan (where over 70% of the population is Palestinian) would let the refugees living on Jewish land move to a place not controled by the terrorist thugs they have chosen as their leaders. Better the king of Jordan then Hamas or Abu Mazan.</p>
<p>For those idiots who think the Iraq War is fought for Israel just consider, if a stable, Democratic Iraq is the outcome of these efforts, what reason does the US have to support what is no longer it&#8217;s &#8220;only ally&#8221; in that part of the world? Iraq replaces Israel and the Saudis as allies.</p>
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		<title>By: shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orthodox Jewry voted Republican and recognized the man for who he was, G-d fearing upright individual, and we are having the children</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orthodox Jewry voted Republican and recognized the man for who he was, G-d fearing upright individual, and we are having the children</p>
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		<title>By: joeblough</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeblough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God how I am sick of this crap.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world feels entitled to have an opinion about &quot;the Jews&quot; -- mostly without knowing a damn thing that might be relevant to understanding anybody at all outside of their own hometown neighbors, and perhaps not even their own hometown neighbors.

Here are a couple of facts to reflect on:

Western civilization has, apart from Europe&#039;s local prehistoric cultural roots, three sources -- Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

The history of the Jews and Jewish culture and the history of Europe and Europe&#039;s culture are so deeply and pervasively intertwined, at so many levels and in so many areas as to be incomprehensible without mutual reference.

The same can be said about the relation between Europe in general and either Rome or Pre-Roman Athens.

Imperial Roman law and military and civil history, later Roman Christian philosphy, religion and culture, Athenian philosophy and literature, Jewish religion, law and ethics are woven into the very fabric of western culture and society.

One cannot live as a civilized westerner without having the legacy of the Emperors, the Popes, the philosophers, the &quot;prophets&quot; and the rabbis hard-wired into the basis of one&#039;s language and indeed one&#039;s sub-concious mind. They are inseparably a part of us all -- like it or not.

I am heartily sick of the way the Jews are mythologized and viewed as alien -- ancient Jews or modern.

===========

There are only about 10 or 15 million Jews in the world, which is shocking when you consider that the only other cultures in the world with a comparable history of continuity and literacy are China and India, both of which have HUGE populations by now.

The main reason is that it has been on-and-off open hunting season on Jews for the most of the last couple of thousand years.

Most of the world&#039;s larger cities have more people in them than there are Jews in the world.

Why does anybody even think about the fact that we&#039;re still around?

Ever wonder about that?

Sure there&#039;s the Bible. But there&#039;s lots of stuff in the Bible that nobody bothers to remember or discuss.

I mean, who&#039;s excited about the Assyrians? I assure you there are still Assyrians alive today (and suffering terribly in Iraq). But really, who talks about Assyrians?

There&#039;s only one reason -- the breathtaking, disproportionate and unprecedented productivity of the Jews, considered as a group of individuals over time.

That&#039;s it. 

==========

I&#039;ll add another little tidbit. There&#039;s loads of excitement in the world over besieged and maligned Israel.

Does anybody even remember that Lebanon exists?

Lebanon used to be a lovely part of Christendom and is about to disappear into the insatiable maw of sharia and jihad. 

Lebanon also represents a respectable stretch of the east coast of the Mediterranean.

But is anybody worried about the disappearance of Lebanon. No! Let&#039;s all get agitated about the Jews and Israel.

Curious.

============

So yeah. The political alignments of America&#039;s Jews is interesting, puzzling and upsetting.

But do I really want to discuss it with outsiders?

Not if they&#039;re going to ask to see my horns and tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God how I am sick of this crap.</p>
<p>Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world feels entitled to have an opinion about &#8220;the Jews&#8221; &#8212; mostly without knowing a damn thing that might be relevant to understanding anybody at all outside of their own hometown neighbors, and perhaps not even their own hometown neighbors.</p>
<p>Here are a couple of facts to reflect on:</p>
<p>Western civilization has, apart from Europe&#8217;s local prehistoric cultural roots, three sources &#8212; Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.</p>
<p>The history of the Jews and Jewish culture and the history of Europe and Europe&#8217;s culture are so deeply and pervasively intertwined, at so many levels and in so many areas as to be incomprehensible without mutual reference.</p>
<p>The same can be said about the relation between Europe in general and either Rome or Pre-Roman Athens.</p>
<p>Imperial Roman law and military and civil history, later Roman Christian philosphy, religion and culture, Athenian philosophy and literature, Jewish religion, law and ethics are woven into the very fabric of western culture and society.</p>
<p>One cannot live as a civilized westerner without having the legacy of the Emperors, the Popes, the philosophers, the &#8220;prophets&#8221; and the rabbis hard-wired into the basis of one&#8217;s language and indeed one&#8217;s sub-concious mind. They are inseparably a part of us all &#8212; like it or not.</p>
<p>I am heartily sick of the way the Jews are mythologized and viewed as alien &#8212; ancient Jews or modern.</p>
<p>===========</p>
<p>There are only about 10 or 15 million Jews in the world, which is shocking when you consider that the only other cultures in the world with a comparable history of continuity and literacy are China and India, both of which have HUGE populations by now.</p>
<p>The main reason is that it has been on-and-off open hunting season on Jews for the most of the last couple of thousand years.</p>
<p>Most of the world&#8217;s larger cities have more people in them than there are Jews in the world.</p>
<p>Why does anybody even think about the fact that we&#8217;re still around?</p>
<p>Ever wonder about that?</p>
<p>Sure there&#8217;s the Bible. But there&#8217;s lots of stuff in the Bible that nobody bothers to remember or discuss.</p>
<p>I mean, who&#8217;s excited about the Assyrians? I assure you there are still Assyrians alive today (and suffering terribly in Iraq). But really, who talks about Assyrians?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one reason &#8212; the breathtaking, disproportionate and unprecedented productivity of the Jews, considered as a group of individuals over time.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>==========</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add another little tidbit. There&#8217;s loads of excitement in the world over besieged and maligned Israel.</p>
<p>Does anybody even remember that Lebanon exists?</p>
<p>Lebanon used to be a lovely part of Christendom and is about to disappear into the insatiable maw of sharia and jihad. </p>
<p>Lebanon also represents a respectable stretch of the east coast of the Mediterranean.</p>
<p>But is anybody worried about the disappearance of Lebanon. No! Let&#8217;s all get agitated about the Jews and Israel.</p>
<p>Curious.</p>
<p>============</p>
<p>So yeah. The political alignments of America&#8217;s Jews is interesting, puzzling and upsetting.</p>
<p>But do I really want to discuss it with outsiders?</p>
<p>Not if they&#8217;re going to ask to see my horns and tail.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald berke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerald berke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American Jew: being good for America is what I require of my president, good for the world.
Good for Israel?  
I&#039;m supposed to like Bush because, bad for the US, bad for the world, some Jews think he was good for Israel?  fooey.
The United States is a democracy: I expect my country to act honorably and in support of justice. The notion that Israel is the arbiter of what is just, that what Israel does is right and my country should support her, I cannot agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American Jew: being good for America is what I require of my president, good for the world.<br />
Good for Israel?<br />
I&#8217;m supposed to like Bush because, bad for the US, bad for the world, some Jews think he was good for Israel?  fooey.<br />
The United States is a democracy: I expect my country to act honorably and in support of justice. The notion that Israel is the arbiter of what is just, that what Israel does is right and my country should support her, I cannot agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is odd to me that We as Christians can`t remember that we were Grafted into the Covenant of Abraham by the death Of our lord Jesus Christ--although we are not bound by the &quot;laws we are still bound by the covenant!Most of the comments I have read are at best uninformed and &quot;if&quot; the people would take the time to actually read the Bible&quot; they could make bettercomments. For all that remember that The Lord was a Jew and Preached not to the Gentile but to the Jewish Nation --Israel!! We got the message thru His deciples and Paul--get it straight and then let`s hear from all who care to comment !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd to me that We as Christians can`t remember that we were Grafted into the Covenant of Abraham by the death Of our lord Jesus Christ&#8211;although we are not bound by the &#8220;laws we are still bound by the covenant!Most of the comments I have read are at best uninformed and &#8220;if&#8221; the people would take the time to actually read the Bible&#8221; they could make bettercomments. For all that remember that The Lord was a Jew and Preached not to the Gentile but to the Jewish Nation &#8211;Israel!! We got the message thru His deciples and Paul&#8211;get it straight and then let`s hear from all who care to comment !!</p>
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		<title>By: GUILLERMO GONZALEZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GUILLERMO GONZALEZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT IS AMAZING THAT THE HISTORICALY LEFT-WING LIBERAL JEWS HAVE TREATED GEORGE BUSH THE WAY THEY HAVE. I MEAN EVEN IF MARXISM IS YOUR REAL PRESENT RELIGION, GIVE THE MAN SOMETHING , THROW HIM A BONE , ANYTHING .

HE LIED FOR YOU (IRAQ WAR) HE SACRIFICED AMERICAN LIVES FOR ISRAEL&#039;S STRATEGIC BENEFIT , HE RAN COVER FOR ISRAEL&#039;S CONTINIUING OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK , HE GOT INTO A &quot;WAR OF CIVILIZATIONS&quot; WITH THE MUSLIM WORLD ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE OF ISRAEL, YET THE RICH JEWS STILL GAVE MILLIONS TO A MAN-CHILD NAMED &quot;HUSSEIN&quot; WHO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS JUST BECAUSE OF TWO REASONS , HE IS &quot;BLACK&quot; AND HE IS A DEMOCRAT.

GO FIGURE ,THIS IS WHY FANATISCISM IS ALWAYS BAD IT BLINDS EVEN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE , MAKES THEM ACT EVEN AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT IS AMAZING THAT THE HISTORICALY LEFT-WING LIBERAL JEWS HAVE TREATED GEORGE BUSH THE WAY THEY HAVE. I MEAN EVEN IF MARXISM IS YOUR REAL PRESENT RELIGION, GIVE THE MAN SOMETHING , THROW HIM A BONE , ANYTHING .</p>
<p>HE LIED FOR YOU (IRAQ WAR) HE SACRIFICED AMERICAN LIVES FOR ISRAEL&#8217;S STRATEGIC BENEFIT , HE RAN COVER FOR ISRAEL&#8217;S CONTINIUING OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK , HE GOT INTO A &#8220;WAR OF CIVILIZATIONS&#8221; WITH THE MUSLIM WORLD ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE OF ISRAEL, YET THE RICH JEWS STILL GAVE MILLIONS TO A MAN-CHILD NAMED &#8220;HUSSEIN&#8221; WHO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS JUST BECAUSE OF TWO REASONS , HE IS &#8220;BLACK&#8221; AND HE IS A DEMOCRAT.</p>
<p>GO FIGURE ,THIS IS WHY FANATISCISM IS ALWAYS BAD IT BLINDS EVEN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE , MAKES THEM ACT EVEN AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS</p>
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