“I was talking about the threat of Communism in the USA, which as we all know was never all that great.”

The CPUSA never had that many members and the appeal of communism in the USA was never all that great. But global communism was a threat to the U.S. and the entire democratic world.

When you have high-level State Department officials like Alger Hiss passing on classified info. to the Soviets, that is a big problem. Have you heard of the Ware Group?

I’m sure you know about the Cuban Missile Crisis. For people who lived through the event, it was a major threat to their security. The communist threat was not some boogieman cooked up by conservatives. Liberals were conscious of it as well.

Check your sources, this is wrong. I took Kovel’s “Zionism and its Discontents” course last semester at Bard. We read several books other than his own, including the works of Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe, and Arthur Hertzberg, to name a few. We read countless news-articles and editorials, attended lectures by guest speakers, and watched a number of documentaries as well.

I have very, very mixed feelings about Joel. But to his credit, the guy always stressed the importance of getting the facts right.

No domestic communist threat? Ever hear of Venona?

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/venona-soviet-espionage-and-the-american-response-1939-1957/venona.htm

You are uninformed or delusional.

Let’s imagine an alternative universe where an S Evad wrote a poet[sic] about anti-Nazism was an American Religion but was little more then a witchhunt.

Yippee, I love thought experiments!

In the universe a lot of S Evads would be defending the Nazis and even denying the holocaust.

Not at all. You’ve already lost your metaphor. I was talking about the threat of Communism in the USA, which as we all know was never all that great. And you will not hear me denying any holocaust, rather perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, Hitler or the Great Khan. So the valid comparison would be the domestic Nazi threat – also never all that great.

What would we say about such a place?

I would say “It’s a strawman argument”. You would probably say this:

We say that universe was either historically illiterate or in delusional denial. So why do we treat you, a denier of the history of communist GULAGS with their 100, 000, 000 dead, like a normal rational human being?

I’m voting for “delusional denial” here, although not on my own part. By trotting your strawman out a second time, you prove it is sturdy, but it’s not “me”.

You can shove your peace.

Oh I will – so get comfortable.

Peace.

DS

Let’s imagine an alternative universe where an S Evad wrote a poet about anti-Nazism was an American Religion but was little more then a witchhunt. In the universe a lot of S Evads would be defending the Nazis and even denying the holocaust. What would we say about such a place? We say that universe was either historically illiterate or in delusional denial. So why do we treat you, a denier of the history of communist GULAGS with their 100, 000, 000 dead, like a normal rational human being?

You can shove your peace.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/02/21/academic-politics/#comments

If the link didn’t come up, just Google “hurryupharry”.

Allow me to revise this for you: “during the 1950s there was clearly a THREAT”, as opposed to “witch-hunt,” a term used by apologists to suggest that Communist “witches” so “hunted” were harmless. The Rosenbergs were not VICTIMS, David. They were PERPETRATORS.

“The whole “godless communist” angle demanded that “God-fearing patriots [capitalists]” be the men in white hats.”

They were indeed men in white hats, because what they were fighting eventually killed 100,000,000 people in less than a century. Those “God-fearing patriot [capitalists] were morally superior than their adversaries in every way. And still are.

“It is by far the nearest thing to a state religion that the USA has ever had.”

Gimme that ol’ time religion, gimme that ol’ time religion, gimme that ol’ time religion, it’s good enough for me.