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	<title>Comments on: Roger Cohen&#8217;s Continuing Nonsense &#8212; Is he Making Barack Obama&#8217;s Iran Policy?</title>
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		<title>By: NYT&#8217;s Roger Cohen cheers up for James &#8220;F*ck the Jews&#8221; Baker &#171; politinfo</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYT&#8217;s Roger Cohen cheers up for James &#8220;F*ck the Jews&#8221; Baker &#171; politinfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ronald Radosh reviewed Cohen&#8217;s columns and the response to them in &#8220;Memo to the New York Times: Fire Roger Cohen!&#8221; This week he returned to the subject in &#8220;Roger Cohen&#8217;s continuing nonsense.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ronald Radosh reviewed Cohen&#8217;s columns and the response to them in &#8220;Memo to the New York Times: Fire Roger Cohen!&#8221; This week he returned to the subject in &#8220;Roger Cohen&#8217;s continuing nonsense.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Still Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat J:  I lost my immaturity many years ago in boot camp, Fort Knox, Kentucky.  Sgt. Spillers kicked my ass many, many times, and the maturation process readily followed.  I hated him then.  I remember once in front of the whole platoon he told me if he ever had me in a combat unit, I would be the first one he shot.  I answered right back, &quot;no you won&#039;t because I&#039;ll shoot you first&quot;. I think that&#039;s the only time I saw him crack a smile in basic training.  Later when I made it through basic, Sgt Spillers and several of my buddies wound up in a Louisville bar together.  We all got pretty drunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat J:  I lost my immaturity many years ago in boot camp, Fort Knox, Kentucky.  Sgt. Spillers kicked my ass many, many times, and the maturation process readily followed.  I hated him then.  I remember once in front of the whole platoon he told me if he ever had me in a combat unit, I would be the first one he shot.  I answered right back, &#8220;no you won&#8217;t because I&#8217;ll shoot you first&#8221;. I think that&#8217;s the only time I saw him crack a smile in basic training.  Later when I made it through basic, Sgt Spillers and several of my buddies wound up in a Louisville bar together.  We all got pretty drunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26. Still Bill:
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Actually I was referring to your immaturity in calling me a punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26. Still Bill:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Actually I was referring to your immaturity in calling me a punk.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cohen reminds me of us kids back in the late fourties and fifties: sure the nazis were evil but they had the coolist uniforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cohen reminds me of us kids back in the late fourties and fifties: sure the nazis were evil but they had the coolist uniforms.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamiMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamiMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25. Mr. Wancow

Yes, I read &quot;United in Hate&quot; by Jamie Glazov. Verily this book should be studied more than simply read, it&#039;s crucial to the understanding of today&#039;s far-left liberal, and liberal in general, mind, in relation to the Islamic threat to our civilization.  

Expect something very different from Ann Coulter. Although, as I conservative, I like and admire Ms. Coulter, hers is not my style, and sincerely I only tried once one of her books and found it desultory and not well written, did not finish it, and donated it to Goodwill. I prefer to hear her talk. 

But Glazov is a brainy guy, a genius perhaps, and his book brings new light to the baffling subject in question: that liberal that hates and works against his own great country that nurtures and provides him with the stage for his own success (Ward Churchill, Reverend Wright, Noam Chomsky, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, and on, and on, and on).

&quot;United in Hate&quot; draws heavily from a famous classic, which I also ordered and am finishing now, one great book that was recommended by the late President Eisenhower, &quot;The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movement&quot; by Eric Hoffer. Glazov even uses the &quot;true believer&quot; term throughout his new book.
http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1238204910&amp;sr=1-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25. Mr. Wancow</p>
<p>Yes, I read &#8220;United in Hate&#8221; by Jamie Glazov. Verily this book should be studied more than simply read, it&#8217;s crucial to the understanding of today&#8217;s far-left liberal, and liberal in general, mind, in relation to the Islamic threat to our civilization.  </p>
<p>Expect something very different from Ann Coulter. Although, as I conservative, I like and admire Ms. Coulter, hers is not my style, and sincerely I only tried once one of her books and found it desultory and not well written, did not finish it, and donated it to Goodwill. I prefer to hear her talk. </p>
<p>But Glazov is a brainy guy, a genius perhaps, and his book brings new light to the baffling subject in question: that liberal that hates and works against his own great country that nurtures and provides him with the stage for his own success (Ward Churchill, Reverend Wright, Noam Chomsky, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, and on, and on, and on).</p>
<p>&#8220;United in Hate&#8221; draws heavily from a famous classic, which I also ordered and am finishing now, one great book that was recommended by the late President Eisenhower, &#8220;The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movement&#8221; by Eric Hoffer. Glazov even uses the &#8220;true believer&#8221; term throughout his new book.<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1238204910&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1238204910&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Still Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Still Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat J: Did you refer to someone as &quot;this pasty white guy?&quot;  Is that &quot;name calling&quot; sissy boy?  You&#039;re still a punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat J: Did you refer to someone as &#8220;this pasty white guy?&#8221;  Is that &#8220;name calling&#8221; sissy boy?  You&#8217;re still a punk.</p>
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		<title>By: wancow the islamogynist</title>
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		<dc:creator>wancow the islamogynist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MiamaMan, you read &quot;United in Hate?&quot;  Somewhere on this site, we aught to have a BOOK REVIEW section to get through all those conservative titles... Anne Coulter&#039;s Guilty is halarious and worth reading for the humourous annecdotes alone...  I heard Glasov on the radio, and am tempted to pick up the book, but would really love to know how people like it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MiamaMan, you read &#8220;United in Hate?&#8221;  Somewhere on this site, we aught to have a BOOK REVIEW section to get through all those conservative titles&#8230; Anne Coulter&#8217;s Guilty is halarious and worth reading for the humourous annecdotes alone&#8230;  I heard Glasov on the radio, and am tempted to pick up the book, but would really love to know how people like it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dude&quot; is not a name ? My gosh !

The willing tools who support the Cohen side of the argument, would do well to read Tony Cordesman&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/071119_iran.is&amp;nuclearwar.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;analysis of an Iran-Israel nuclear exchange&lt;/a&gt;. 

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metimes.com/Opinion/2007/11/22/analysis_a_mideast_nuclear_war/4411/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; short version&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;i&gt;This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some &lt;b&gt;16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days&lt;/b&gt;, and &lt;b&gt;between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame&lt;/b&gt;. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.

It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. &quot;Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term,&quot; Cordesman notes.

The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.

The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel&#039;s 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)

Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.&lt;/i&gt;

The very short version ?

&lt;i&gt;Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran&#039;s nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and &lt;b&gt;the end of the Oil Age&lt;/b&gt;. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.&lt;/i&gt;

The rest is foolish posturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dude&#8221; is not a name ? My gosh !</p>
<p>The willing tools who support the Cohen side of the argument, would do well to read Tony Cordesman&#8217;s <a href="http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/071119_iran.is&amp;nuclearwar.pdf" rel="nofollow">analysis of an Iran-Israel nuclear exchange</a>. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.metimes.com/Opinion/2007/11/22/analysis_a_mideast_nuclear_war/4411/" rel="nofollow"> short version</a>?</p>
<p><i>This would mean, Cordesman suggests, some <b>16 million to 28 million Iranians dead within 21 days</b>, and <b>between 200,000 and 800,000 Israelis dead within the same time frame</b>. The total of deaths beyond 21 days could rise very much higher, depending on civil defense and public health facilities, where Israel has a major advantage.</p>
<p>It is theoretically possible that the Israeli state, economy and organized society might just survive such an almost-mortal blow. Iran would not survive as an organized society. &#8220;Iranian recovery is not possible in the normal sense of the term,&#8221; Cordesman notes.</p>
<p>The difference in the death tolls is largely because Israel is believed to have more nuclear weapons of very much higher yield (some of 1 megaton), and Israel is deploying the Arrow advanced anti-missile system in addition to its Patriot batteries. Fewer Iranian weapons would get through.</p>
<p>The difference in yield matters. The biggest bomb that Iran is expected to have is 100 kilotons, which can inflict third-degree burns on exposed flesh at 8 miles; Israel&#8217;s 1-megaton bombs can inflict third-degree burns at 24 miles. Moreover, the radiation fallout from an airburst of such a 1-megaton bomb can kill unsheltered people at up to 80 miles within 18 hours as the radiation plume drifts. (Jordan, by the way, would suffer severe radiation damage from an Iranian strike on Tel Aviv.)</p>
<p>Cordesman assumes that Iran, with less than 30 nuclear warheads in the period after 2010, would aim for the main population centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa, while Israel would have more than 200 warheads and far better delivery systems, including cruise missiles launched from its 3 Dolphin-class submarines.</i></p>
<p>The very short version ?</p>
<p><i>Cordesman spells out that the real stakes in the crisis that is building over Iran&#8217;s nuclear ambitions would certainly include the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and <b>the end of the Oil Age</b>. This would also mean the end of globalization and the extraordinary accretions in world trade and growth and prosperity that are hauling hundreds of millions of Chinese and Indians and others out of poverty.</i></p>
<p>The rest is foolish posturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least I&#039;m man enough not to resort to name calling.</description>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cohen is the perfect example explained in Jamie Glasov&#039;s new book &quot;United in Hate&quot;. 

He is not alone. He belongs to the same Jewish tribe as America-Number-One-Hater Noam Chomsky, and Castro-Friend Steven Spielberg. They are many more in between.

Learn this to be a mental malady, in the strictest sense of the word. They must hate the hand that feeds them, so as to mask self-loathing and self-contempt, and a deep feeling of frustration. Justification is soon brought in, for how can you explain hating what nurtures you, allows your freedom to blossom, but by a perverted sense of justifying the opposite.

Recent typical example. Yesterday in the O&#039;Reilly factor, Fox contributor and left loony Dr. Hill, in a discussion about the drug war in Mexico, totally placed the blame on the US for &quot;exploiting&quot; the masses and the poor in Mexico that then do not have any other choice than to lash out with drug trafficking. Talk about perverted logic. 

Yes, there must be blame for the US consuming the drugs, even for arms going south, but to ascribe blame for something obviously the result of Mexican&#039;s societal choices is to force yourself to find a scapegoat.

Likewise, Obama et al, believes the grievance of the Arabs is because they were also &quot;exploited&quot; by capitalists (white capitalists of course) trumping what even Obama Bin Laden tells us in every video, that this fight is not one caused by exploitation of any sort, but simply by Quoranic guidance against the Kafir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cohen is the perfect example explained in Jamie Glasov&#8217;s new book &#8220;United in Hate&#8221;. </p>
<p>He is not alone. He belongs to the same Jewish tribe as America-Number-One-Hater Noam Chomsky, and Castro-Friend Steven Spielberg. They are many more in between.</p>
<p>Learn this to be a mental malady, in the strictest sense of the word. They must hate the hand that feeds them, so as to mask self-loathing and self-contempt, and a deep feeling of frustration. Justification is soon brought in, for how can you explain hating what nurtures you, allows your freedom to blossom, but by a perverted sense of justifying the opposite.</p>
<p>Recent typical example. Yesterday in the O&#8217;Reilly factor, Fox contributor and left loony Dr. Hill, in a discussion about the drug war in Mexico, totally placed the blame on the US for &#8220;exploiting&#8221; the masses and the poor in Mexico that then do not have any other choice than to lash out with drug trafficking. Talk about perverted logic. </p>
<p>Yes, there must be blame for the US consuming the drugs, even for arms going south, but to ascribe blame for something obviously the result of Mexican&#8217;s societal choices is to force yourself to find a scapegoat.</p>
<p>Likewise, Obama et al, believes the grievance of the Arabs is because they were also &#8220;exploited&#8221; by capitalists (white capitalists of course) trumping what even Obama Bin Laden tells us in every video, that this fight is not one caused by exploitation of any sort, but simply by Quoranic guidance against the Kafir.</p>
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